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Would viswanathan-ramamurthy have shined in hindi film music?

Topic started by rs (@ 203.124.0.247) on Mon May 6 10:30:31 EDT 2002.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

The golden era of tfm must be the period when viswanathan-ramamurthy reigned supreme in the 1960's. Their songs have become immortal classics! Would they have shined in hindi film music, considering that they used a lot of hindustani ragas in their tamil film music? Just go to this website for a glowing commentary on their 1956 hindi film, Naya Aadmi:

http://members.tripod.com/~ATMJH/in4.html

Even though the songs in this film were well received, somehow they did not get any more opportunities in hindi films after this film. Would they have posed a formidable challenge to shankar-jaikishan in hindi films?
What do tfm surfers think?

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• From: Sriram Lakshman (@ 64.105.35.40) on: Wed May 15 03:37:09 EDT 2002
  
  Oh...oh...I was referring to 'vidhi cheyu vinthalanni'.
  
  The hindi version was 'Admi', by Dilip Kumar, directed by A.Bhimsingh. Music was by Naushad. I remember one very good song, the Hindi counterpart of 'satti suttathadA', 'Aj purAni rAhOn sE', sung by Rafi. Real good one. avr may know the others.
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.25.241) on: Wed May 15 03:38:02 EDT 2002
  
  SL:
  
  What is your total CD space ? ( cranial disk space :-) )?
  
  
• From: avr (@ 143.127.3.10) on: Wed May 15 04:33:50 EDT 2002
  
  OISG:
  
  Another shock for me was the "Sursangam" - the Shankarabaranam remake.KArnad could not fit in,JP gave a better performance than Manju Bargavi.But music ..alas!the less said the better.LP i think!!
  
  Oh sorry. Sur Sangam was IMO a good score with wonderful singing by Mishra brothers. And by Anuradha Paudwal, Kavita K and Suresh Wadkar :) Not to mention the SW-LM duet.
  
  Yep, TAMIL TALIBAN you are for sure :-)))
  
  
  
• From: avr (@ 143.127.3.10) on: Wed May 15 04:44:56 EDT 2002
  
  SL:
  
  What is your total CD space ? ( cranial disk space :-) )?
  
  
  MS, I'll give u the answer 200000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 GB :)
  
  Real good one. avr may know the others.
  
  Aaadmi had two delectable Lata songs "kari badariya maare leheriya..." and "kal ke sapne aaj bhi aana". And one Mahendra Kapoor song (being a Manoj Kumar movie).
  
  OISG , GR:
  
  Yes, i do agree that Sargham (remake of Siri Siri Muvva) was a pathetic score. Same was true for Ek Duuje Ke Liye..except 1-2 songs.
  
  However, I personally feel that the Tamil emake of "do aankhein barah haath" was ordinary in terms of its music. Of course I am talking just about the skeletal tunes, as would be perceived by a person foreign to the Tamil language. OTOH I have never got enough of "saiyyaan jhhoothhon ka bada sartaaj nikla" (especially the "oh-oh" parts in between) and also the small-children's song. Not to mention the LM-MD duet which is a vigorous fast-paced one. The KVM-VJ songs in the Tamil remake pale in comparison. of course its my personal choice ONLY :)
  
  
  Moreover I feel there is absolutely no comparison between LP and MSV-TKR/KVM. The latter are better by a few thousand times.
  
  
  
• From: AVR (@ 143.127.3.10) on: Wed May 15 04:48:47 EDT 2002
  
  SL:
  
  I wish the VJ song had been sung by PS
  
  Umm and I thought u disliked PSs songs in 70s and 80s :-) Sorry, but cant resist this one :-)
  
  
• From: satsona (@ 203.199.192.162) on: Wed May 15 06:43:42 EDT 2002
  
  well i was quiet for so many days, and concluded that this is a TFM, so naturally and 99%, the negative sides of HFM will be discussed. So if a song is by LP, it is bad and if it is by MSV, it is good...eh...
  
  to clear doubts, i am a 100% tamilian and lover of music, let it be from anyone.
  
  of course, i appreciate SL,AVR,OISG for their views with examples and have no doubt about SL's cranial capacity, but i strongly feel,that once an opinion is formed, it remains there and is difficult to be changed.(for eg. About LP's music)
  
  About a version being better, the MDs need to cater to a different audience, thats all. So whether MSV was a better MD than LP, depends on the criteria. Of course i agree MSV was far better than LP in knowledge and flow of ideas in music, but when u r scoring for a movie(Hindi or Tamil), u make music which is more appealing, whether u r a genious or not is a different question.
  
  So seeing in that level, surely, MSV's music may or may not have been appealing to people all over india(his southish style of presentation), but yes..u can't deny LP made a large impact, though i agree most of their music was horrible(adding the Anand bakshi lyrics to it).
  
  but u just can't deny the good music in Ek duje ke liye.(no , i don;t want opinions from Sir G Raghavan, for whom, Aradhana songs are not as good as the Tamil remake songs.) i can't make out how Rajesh khanna in Aradhana can be worse than Sivaji with his Noodle wig and bulging thoppai and overacting(sorry for the digression, but since it was mentioned in this forum, i want to pinpoint this.)I am no fan of Rajesh, but i am equally irritated by idolism of a Granddad dancing with his granddaughter(just bcos it is Tamil?)
  it clearly shows how narrow outlooks can be.
  
  thanx and regards
  satsona
  
  
• From: satsona (@ 203.199.192.162) on: Wed May 15 06:48:11 EDT 2002
  
  just a :), to make sure no one is offended. i just wanted to share my views, and not to offend anyone.
  
  
• From: O (@ 193.188.97.152) on: Wed May 15 09:35:39 EDT 2002
  
  
  
  Sivaji thoppai enna pavam panniyatho;
  
  See friends!
  
  Avar adikkadi Police role panninathunala ,just to add a realistic feeling he developed a paunch.Thoppai ellena police role porunthathey!
  
  
• From: G.Ragavan (@ 164.164.94.115) on: Wed May 15 09:46:18 EDT 2002
  
  Satsona,
  Aradhana has two matchless songs (Mere Sapno and Roop Tera). The tamil versions of these two songs are really nothing. At the same time just compare the songs (Iniyavale Enru, Etharkum Oru Kaalam undu, En Rajavin) with hindi ones. Here tamil ones are better (note. I am not telling tamil versions are matchless). The other two songs are really not good in both versions. As a whole movie, Aradhana is better movie than Sivakamiyin Selvan. (Hindi version is youthful and has two great songs. Tamil version is ok and has three good songs). I had never spoken about the movie, actor, etc here. I feel sorry for ur conclusion.
  also, u need not explain ur origin before putting ur opinion. v dont map ur opinion to ur origin.
  
  Overall I had spoken about two movie songs only (Maro Charitra and Sivakamiyin Selvan). If u have heard maro charitra songs, u'll really appreciate the difference. Obviously u need not be a telugu guy to enjoy those songs :-)
  
  btw, y so much respect for me? :-)) I really cudn't control myself. :-)) Ragavan is sufficient. Also I am really sorry if I had hurt ur feelings by anyway.
  
  
• From: Sriram Lakshman (@ 64.105.35.40) on: Wed May 15 12:45:18 EDT 2002
  
  Satsona, just state your opinions and nobody would feel offended. But please be prepared to listen to others' too. My opinions on L-P's music.....does it not match your's? :) This may be a TFM forum, but the participants, avr is a Maharashtrian settled in Pune, I have lived/studied/worked in UP/Bombay most of my life. avr,OISG, GR and your's truly listen to music irrespective of whether the language is understood or not. Check out OISG's (or anybody's) comparison, there are cases where the HFM version has been observed to be better. Consider the songs of L-P that have been criticized, like the ones in ENP ,ZSZ, PKJ...you would wonder how the singers managed to grasp those uninspriring tunes in the first place, striking contrast to the TFM counterparts. I am sure you would agree.
  
  avr, thanks for the list of 'Admi' songs. I am not the greatest fan of 'AlayamaNi' songs,ofcourse I love 'thookam un kaNgaLai' by SJ.
  
  
• From: avr (@ 143.127.3.10) on: Thu May 16 00:53:16 EDT 2002
  
  satsona,
  
  Yes be sure that i am definitely not a MSV-TKR fanatic :). Indeed I love many of LPS songs of the 60s decade (Parasmani, Sati savitri), but I dislike 80% of their 70s and 80s Output. they had talent, but the bulk of their OP is quite bad IMO.
  
  
• From: OISG (@ 193.188.97.152) on: Thu May 16 05:30:00 EDT 2002
  
  Something pro LP atlast!
  
  PRaptham (Sivaji -Savithri) was a remake a Milan (SD-Nutan- MD LP ).
  
  "Sawan ka" by Mukesh certainly had the rustic feel attributable to a villager.The tamil eqv "Santhanathil" despite being a good song was certainly out of place.I still wonder why MSV chose a classical Bridavana Saranga for a villager song.
  
  SL ..surprising comment about "Aalayamani"songs.
  
  Was Pazhani a remake of Upkar or vice versa? I Love "Kasme vade".Clearly Dey has inspired KK!
  
  
  
  
• From: G.Ragavan (@ 164.164.94.115) on: Thu May 16 07:09:40 EDT 2002
  
  OSIG, I have wondered for the same reason. "Chandanathil" is a semi classical. The lyrics are little genius kind. How did this mistake happen? I haven't heard of the hindi counter parts.
  
  SL, Alayamani songs nalathaane irukuthu. Especially LRE humming in "Kalellam Maanikak Kallahuma". wow! enna kural athu!
  
  
• From: avr (@ 143.127.3.10) on: Thu May 16 08:43:06 EDT 2002
  
  >> Something pro LP atlast! <<
  
  Though this is a newtfmpage, I will say the following.
  
  Truly LP did compose some very lovely songs. I already mentioned Sati Savitri and another one is Harishchandra Taramati, with a semiclassical "meghva gagan beech chhalke"! Treat! Milan had good songs too. Like "aaj dil pe koi jor nahin". Later on they also gave very good tunes in Mr X in Bombay, and in Dosti, and many more. But then the 70s came and they brought in those awful dholaks, screechy violins and shehnais and traces of Sivaranjani in each song. Not to mention the wonderful lyrics :)
  
  
• From: OISG (@ 193.188.97.152) on: Thu May 16 09:59:25 EDT 2002
  
  Avr
  
  I even liked their "Pathu jaru savan Basant bahar" from a Sashi-Neelam movie.I think the remake of "Unnai naan sandhithen"Even the DUH!Jeetendra "Megare Megare" was sort of OK.(1980s songs)
  
  Was "Sesha ho ya Dil" (Reena Roy-LM singing) by LP?
  
  But their 80s music had the added tragedy &sorrow of Mohd Aziz and Shabbir kumar.
  
  Overall their good tunes were too less when compared to the number of movies they did.
  
  
• From: Sriram Lakshman (@ 64.105.35.156) on: Thu May 16 13:09:54 EDT 2002
  
  Somehow, I found 'santhanaththil' to be appropriate. Most of the folk music of India fall under sindhubhairavi, madhyamavathi/B.saranga, Pahadi, this is not for justifiying, just as an aside. 'sontham eppOthum' IMO is a classic, a perfect example for budding composers on how to put forth the soul of a song in the prelude, establish a flow for its passage, highlight the culmination points without loss of flow etc. And, a marvellous tune. You would not find anything complicated in it, but very tasteful. 'nEththu parichcha rOjA', 'thAlAttu pAdi' are all great songs.
  
  OISG, 'sheeshA hO yA dil hO' is by L-P indeed, in Asha.
  
  
• From: Ramki (@ 161.150.2.250) on: Thu May 16 13:24:33 EDT 2002
  
  One song of LP which i liked better than its tamil original is 'thumhi meri manzil' from khaandaan. Though the tamil equivalent 'thangathile oru kurai irundhaalum' had great lyrics, it lacked the melody of the hindi version.
  
  

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