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Yesterday - Illayarajah Today - A.R. Rahman Tomorrow - Yuvan Shankar Raja

Topic started by Pras (@ 66.185.84.71) on Sat Jan 25 08:43:29 EST 2003.
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Who Do You Think Is The Yesterday, Today, Tomorrow MD of TFM?

I think its:
Yesterday - Illayarajah
Today - A.R. Rahman
Tomorrow - Yuvan Shankar Raja

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• From: Music4ever (@ 130.111.58.78) on: Mon Aug 11 11:13:16 EDT 2003
  
  xml, yes both HJ and YSR are definitely doing well and both need some more time. About other aspects that you have mentioned I tend to think differently. As far as I am concerned the only thing that MD's need to be worried about is the quality of their output. As I said earlier, they need to take their time and compose tunes that do not remind the listener too much of some old stuff. For example, each MD should aspire to compose music for not more than five or six movies a year. That way, I feel they can maintain the quality better and tunes also would have less likelihood of sounding repetitive. All IMO. Also, competition is usually a healthy sign as it provides a tangible check on the MD's in the sense that they cannot simply get away by dishing out mediocre music.
  
  
• From: xml (@ 128.148.68.110) on: Mon Aug 11 17:46:56 EDT 2003
  
  No music4ever.I can not agree with five or six movies a year and about the quality of music. Some time due to flop the songs may failure.But one need to sacrifiece for one.After established his position if IR think in that way then we could have not seen MR,BR,etc..
  Who knows MR in pagal nilavu,idayakovil,o priya priya.
  
  
• From: V (@ 147.129.98.136) on: Mon Aug 11 18:28:17 EDT 2003
  
  I too agree that MDs should concentrate quality and also on other finer aspects such as Reasearching their music, the recording techniques, the chords, slection of singers, selection of recording technicians, selection of right instruments and more.
  
  This thorough quality conscious approach will entail an MD to produce only 4-5 movies per year. Now, just imagine if all MDs do this, we would have 25-30 solid quality albums a year. That is almost 1 in every 2 weeks!
  
  However this is my personal opinion that I like MDs sho bring out lesser and better qualty movies per year.
  
  
• From: k (@ 192.138.150.249) on: Mon Aug 11 21:19:20 EDT 2003
  
  ..assuming these MDs are talented and are creative. Creativity is not going to improve with time..Actually, doing more albums might give the MD more opportunities to try various techniques. Some of them might be a hit some may not..Otherwise, having less number of albums puts pressure on the MD to make sure fire success out of it. So they will use their tried and tested technique alone and may not be adventurous. Note, all MDs have a limited number of formulas to tune/orchestrate a song. If the MD is talented they have more number of formulas. All songs are not unique they are done using a formula. Less number of movies ..they are forced to use an older formula..Just my observation.
  
  
• From: MusicIsLife (@ 170.146.91.6) on: Tue Aug 12 10:34:40 EDT 2003
  
  K,
  True, that was one of the reason IR seems to be different, he does not seem to follow a norm or a categorized formula, where-by he could give many hits, make his hallmark ways of doing things and at times got the better of himself.
  
  V,
  In my opinion Research brings exposure, learning and what not, but good music must come from the heart, when it does, it just fits..
  
  
• From: rajasaranam (@ 210.214.132.236) on: Tue Aug 12 16:50:39 EDT 2003
  
  To all,
  
  well accepted within the norms for ordinary composers, that they shud compose music selectively, for 4 or 5 movies per year to keep up the quality. as these statement r coming up frm ARR camp i cud clearly understand their staunch support for their fav MD's working style.
  this working style is good for people who think and compose their music, but IR!!! does he ever think and compose?. its a well known fact that IR is not a normal person who thinks for composing, music is natural to him, in his own words "isaiya yaarum amaika mudiyathu, neenga nalla isai pottirukeenganu yaaravathu enkitta sollum bodhu siripu than varum. yaarkittayavathu poi neenga nalla moochu vidaringanu sonna eppadi siripaangalo appadi. isai thaanavae nadakanum, nama isaiya poda mudiyathu isaithaan nammakulla iruthu thaana varanum. athu enna madriyana unarvugalai namakku thotruvikkutho athae unarvu mathavangalukkum vantha athu nalla isai, avalothan."
  
  he also has said that "music is not my profession, its my life". when we observe his film music all over his career we can clearly notice that he had never atempted his music to become a hit . it was just a coincidence that his music became hits. all his compositions were situational as required by the director. whenever a scene is described to him he comes up with a tune that immedietly comes to his mind and delivers it to the director. only a few directors like kamal, MR or balumahendra wud give him more ideas on wat they had wanted and extract frm him the best for the situation they had in their mind. all other directors jus wanted any tune frm him cos they were a hit those days. a normal movie those days wud comprise of five songs 1-disco,1-gaana/folk, 1-pathos, 2- duets. thats all that was needed for those people and IR delivered to them instantly. well it may seem stereotyped and same kind but he tried to giv variety in them too thro orchestration and tune[ only a few days back i saw the movie naanum oru thozhilali and was mesmerised by the way he had treated the song "oru nilavum malarum nadanam puriyum kalaiarangam" comparing this to songs like 'aasai nooru vagai' or 'adiyae manam nilluna nikathadi' will clearly show that he had given more variety for a similar situation than any other MD ]. but parallel movie makers like mahendran, balu mahendra wud giv him a challenging subject and extract frm him more. in both situations IR's music were instantaneous not requiring any thought process as we normal human beings do things in our life. he was extra-ordinary.
  
  this was observed well by the composer and conductor MR.Laszlo kovach. after playin the music composed by L.Subramaniam and IR for the song "nee partha parvaikku" frnm the film Heyram kovach was silent and IR was curiuous on listening to his comments. he went all the way in asking him " you didnt tell me anything abt my song. is it not good? i want to know ur true opinion about my compostion. even if u dont like it!". kovach was silent for a moment and answered "no its not like that!...... anyone can compose music for the same situation, and i can also write..... but..... not this music....not this!!!! ive travelled all over the world, and i hav studied, and conducted the great master's composition in various concerts. i cud find thru ur musci, that u hav not struggled for ideas.... the music is coming to u and it flows without effort. iam sure ur 'very special composer' in the music world- thats all i can say"
  
  
• From: V (@ 147.129.99.180) on: Tue Aug 12 17:07:09 EDT 2003
  
  rajasaranam
  
  Veery much expected reply from you. I seriosuly enjoyed reading it (No Jokes). I too have read IR's Budapest Diary and it is truly mesmerising.
  
  If I may earnestly and kindly request you or if you may allow me to make a request, can you please refrain from using direct or indirect slandering like "ordinary composers" in your post? Doing so would make your post more acceptable and people would easily see your point.
  
  This is not a criticism. I know that is how you strongly feel about other composers. It may be true. But avoiding such a thing will make your post more acceptable.
  
  Other than that I agree with all your points. IR has beautifully mentioned in his article on creativity that Music is already made and you dont create anything! What a thought!
  
  However just like all of us give our personal opinion many such have felt that composers could take longer time and lesser projects and concentrate on other aspects (I mean aspects other than composing) like use of novel instruments, newer singers, newer ways of orchestration, newer technology to record songs and what not.
  
  This may not apply to IR and I am not unhappy about that because IR has his own style of working which I like!
  
  PS: I may have aired the same viewpoint as yours but I have made sure that other MDs/fan's of other MDs do not get turned off by saying thus.
  
  Let me know if I am wrong.
  
  
  
• From: rajasaranam (@ 210.214.132.236) on: Tue Aug 12 17:33:56 EDT 2003
  
  V,
  no ur not wrong in any way. i had no other word to say other than "ordinary composers". after reading ur post i too a gav a thought abt it. well iam at loss of words. when i say IR as special or extra ordinary wat do i call others? may be u can suggest something to me.[serious man!!!]
  
  and i dont think other MD's as ordinary, every MD hav in their own caliber composed music direct frm their heart atleast once, like wat IR had been doing all along his career.this is no joke iam seriously saying this, i can listen to ARR's 'poongatriley' frm uyirae or 'yaaroo oruvan alaikiran' / Vidyasagars 'malarae mounama' / deva's 'chembaruthi chembaruthi' which i think r excellent compos which were not given much thought but came out frm their heart.
  
  
• From: V (@ 147.129.98.136) on: Tue Aug 12 19:39:12 EDT 2003
  
  rajasaranam,
  
  Again, I have no right to ask you to consider other MDs as more than ordinary. I am just saying that you could just say other composers. Hmmmm I see your point but Ordinary has another meaning like they abuse in tamil "verum paiyyan". somewhat like a wastrel of a guy.
  
  I know that you did not intend to say such things but isn't it easier not to refer at all to other MDs when you write something abt your fav MD? Ofcourse you need to compare and contrast but try to not use sensitive words.
  
  Ok, now wrt to topic, did anybody hear kurumbu and thennavan? Does YSR shine again?
  
  
• From: xml (@ 128.148.68.110) on: Tue Aug 12 20:00:17 EDT 2003
  
  
  http://www.raaga.com/channels/tamil/movie/T0000520.html
  
  
• From: xml (@ 128.148.68.110) on: Tue Aug 12 20:11:19 EDT 2003
  
  Many times if movie flops the songs also will be flop. Many crapy songs also becomes hit when movie becomes hit like gemini, many vikraman movies etc..
  
  What does it a matter the quality of music and five movies/year
  
  
• From: Music4ever (@ 165.121.136.211) on: Tue Aug 12 23:11:21 EDT 2003
  
  Listen to the song "ennai pandhaada" in Ullam ketkummE. Another lovely number by HJ and Madhumita sings very well, IMO. The start of each paragraph, however, reminds an interlude in "thanga thaamarai magalE". But that's OK. Lovely song by HJ. Keep it up HJ.
  
  
• From: Venky (@ 217.44.99.201) on: Wed Aug 13 02:38:36 EDT 2003
  
  V,
  I managed to hear Kurumbu and Thennavan. YSR has done a great job on both albums. The best thing is that YSR has started doing more melodious songs on his albums. Hear the song Vinodhane in Thennavan and also Oviya in Kurumbu. Both are my picks of the albums.
  
  

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