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Yesterday - Illayarajah Today - A.R. Rahman Tomorrow - Yuvan Shankar Raja

Topic started by Pras (@ 66.185.84.71) on Sat Jan 25 08:43:29 EST 2003.
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Who Do You Think Is The Yesterday, Today, Tomorrow MD of TFM?

I think its:
Yesterday - Illayarajah
Today - A.R. Rahman
Tomorrow - Yuvan Shankar Raja

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Responses:

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• From: xml (@ 128.148.68.110) on: Thu Aug 7 21:25:17 EDT 2003
  
  Hi everyone,
  Every one knows ARR's achievement.No one need to tell that in DF. But it will be illogic to compare with IR. IR has done more work for TFM rather than achieve. You need to use your sense to realise about IR's greatness.
  
  You just think before how was the film industry with MD before IR.MSV,KVM,etc.. has to listern whatever MGR says.
  
  During IR time only MD was respected as prior to others. Who ever faught with IR, first went to find alternate MD from all over the INDIA. BR tried to bring manoj-kiyan,devendran etc.. Kovaithambi tried to bring pyarilal etc..KKB tried with maragathamani. Even the great AVM tried to bring chandrabose.And many other like sankar-ganesh,SAR,etc..
  Nobody looked at rajini,kamal etc..Because they were also depending on IR.
  
  Then ARR came up with western style.He joined up with anti IR's artist and made many hits. Many of his albums are not addressed like pavithra,uzhavan,puthiya mannargal etc..
  The same story returned again now. To make the movie most important-Actors,then about the heroine.At last they think about the MD. I am telling the common thing about the MD's value in the past and present. There will be always some exception like balumahendra,bala,sankar,MR,thangarbachan. OK.
  IR made a kingdom for the MD in the film industry. No body could continue that.
  
  
• From: k (@ 192.138.150.249) on: Thu Aug 7 21:35:15 EDT 2003
  
  Music4Ever..no..I meant exactly what I said- ARR's success is a phenomenon. It is a break from the past. ARR's music is altogether a different genre. No way I will underestimate ARR's talent. Yes, I like his music too. Especially the songs you mentioned. He always does one or two songs like this in every album and that is what I prefer. I like melodies and I want the song's orchestration to move around this melody. IR for the most part always tunes like this. Hence my preference for IR.
  
  Yes, I do think IR is not getting the recognition like he should. It is mainly because people have been exposed to the genre he is playing in (strings/guitar backing/indian percussion accompaniment etc) for too long a time. Any novel arrangement is happily embraced. He tried to water classical music to popular tastes..but this is not flying anymore...Oh well.. I just enjoy it.
  
  
• From: Jag (@ 35.9.26.160) on: Thu Aug 7 23:07:02 EDT 2003
  
  k,
  It is very true that many people are not exposed IR's music. I had recorded some instrumental tracks and soundtracks of IR for the benefit of my roommates, two of whom do not understand tamil and the third doesn't like Indian music. I was surprised today when both my non-tamil roommates commented on liking Thendral Vanthu theendum..,
  when I have known them to scorn songs of which they do not understand lyrics of. The other guy is hooked onto the instrumental tracks, he switched from a daily Yanni routine to punnagai mannan's theme, HTNI and NBW music.
  
  I think IR's music is instantly appealing and it has to be introduced to the current generation, the same way old classics are remade after every 20 years, his music needs a similar resurrection.
  
  IR: Yesterday Today and Forever in our hearts
  
  ARR: Today
  
  Tommorow who ever can score melodious music!
  
  
• From: Music4ever (@ 130.111.58.78) on: Fri Aug 8 13:16:42 EDT 2003
  
  Yesterday: All MD's up to and including ARR, with special niche for IR and to a marginally lesser extent MSV-TKR/KVM.
  Today: ARR, HJ, YSR, VS
  Tomorrow: May be one or both of HJ and YSR. We will wait and watch.
  
  I still feel HJ is marginally ahead of YSR for the future best. Look at his albums since (and including) MinnalE. It is a given that all MD's lift from some source or other -- ARR from IR, HJ and YSR from ARR etc. But what I found somewhat disturbing is that KK, for all the lovely songs in it, has two numbers which, consciously or unconsciously, remind the listener of two numbers in MinnalE (Azhagiya TheeyE, Vaseegara). No offence meant to anybody.
  
  
• From: V (@ 147.129.99.180) on: Fri Aug 8 14:38:46 EDT 2003
  
  Music4Ever, Jag, K
  
  Great posts people!
  It is very refreshing when we discuss the merits of a music composer w/out bashing other MDs. This gets rid of irritation and also helps "educate" the people who visit this forum.
  
  Nice job all of you! I really appreciate how you guys up-hold your maturity and make the discussion worthwhile.
  
  Anyway, wrt topic, I have to say that YSR is more prolific than HJ but HJ is very very lucky! He paired with the right projects/directors/technicians to make super hits like Saamy and Kaaka Kaaka. Not that the music is bad but you have to accept that a large portion of the success of these albums must be attributed to the sucess of the film. Also the otherway around I dont deny!
  
  YSR has wasted a lot of his quality tunes on rubbish movies like April Madhathil, Bala. Mounam pesiyathey and Punnagai poove are nice ones. I feel YSR will overtake everyone in the near future and there might be another MD around the corner who might be the future of TFM.
  
  Comments? suggestions? Death Threats?
  
  
• From: Music4ever (@ 130.111.58.78) on: Fri Aug 8 15:25:11 EDT 2003
  
  V, rather than saying what I have against other upcoming MD's, I will stick to what I have in favour. HJ may not have been prolific, but some of his tunes are breathtaking indeed. They are like a whiff of fresh air in TFM. Take Azhagiya TheeyE or Vaseegara in MinnalE. If I am not incorrect these songs do not remind the listener of any other old or new song. They are catchy, soft, and with plenty of melody, IMO. Another song I have found to be really good is the Aagaya sooriyanai song. HJ lifts pieces of some of ARR's tunes, probably inadvertantly, no doubt. But at the same time he is also able to give us original ones and this is an important criterion in my book. Often it is enough to give one or two songs for the ages rather than a bucketful of oft-heard type of songs.
  
  
• From: V (@ 147.129.99.180) on: Fri Aug 8 16:38:37 EDT 2003
  
  Very true Music$Ever.
  
  You can never change ARR fans who keep on saying that every single sound in HJ's music is ARR's.
  
  I like HJ but I think he gets repetitive lots of times. Saamy was very refreshing, but Kaaka Kaaka is too much Minnale-ish. Dont you think so?? Ondra Iranda is such a wasteful and cheesy attempt at Vaseegara no 2.
  
  Now let me talk +ively. HJ does show us a lot of promise. The thing I like most about him is that he takes a lot of time to compose some good quality tunes and does not rush in to compose some ordinary tunes with poor recording in short span of time.
  
  His best talent however is to choose the best scripts that will definitely run! YSR has to improve on that. I think Kadhal Konden wuill change that to an extent becos with this film he can have some pride and pick and choose his projects in the future since he has shown us that he has some solid material.
  
  In my opinion MDs should be very choosy about good projects. This will develop other areas of Tamil Films like camera, editing, screenplay, directions and better films can be produced. I really dont like MDs encouraging small "thukkada" directors who make bulllshit movies about campus love.
  
  
• From: xml (@ 128.148.68.110) on: Fri Aug 8 19:40:26 EDT 2003
  
  Music4ever
  You can find a mature music with YSR. His composing is very fast and differ from IR,ARR.Listern these songs. Is there any resemblence with IR or ARR.
  
  Kadal samrajyam-Iru kangal sollum(best melody),
  Bala- Poo Poovai punnagaikkum,
  April Madathil- Poi solla, Yei nenje
  Mounam pesiyathe- En anbe, Chinnathai,
  Poovellam kettuppar-Irava pagala
  Nanda-Munpaniya,
  Unakkaga ellam unakkaga-Vennila veliye varuvala,
  List continues
  
  
• From: k (@ 192.138.150.249) on: Fri Aug 8 20:39:34 EDT 2003
  
  To me HJ has too many shades of ARR..I like originality so cant patronize his music. I was wrongly sent a 12-B CD from a webstore and its been 6 months I have not even bothered to open it. Same goes for VidyaSagar..sandhams of IR in improvised tunes..no way..
  YSR..very original..though he follows a style similar to ARR's ..recently I can see a shift towards traditional style..(ARR is doing the same too.. veLLaip pookkaL..not loops). YSR is prolific..speed..at this rate he will drown all others like what IR did..Only difference is IR was very knowledgeable and experienced when he entered the field ..YSR has a handicap..but he is young..think about what we can do at 22 or 23 (get an H1 :))..Similarly ARR also had good experience when he entered because he was working from a young age.. He knew the importance of nuances in a melody..YSR is still doing simple stuff..but I am quite impressed with his work. His music though is still not part of my serious music listening routine..
  
  
• From: Ram (@ 217.44.92.61) on: Sat Aug 9 03:18:10 EDT 2003
  
  K, i have to agree with you. HJ may have created some songs that have become hits, but I find his songs to lack originality. Every song of his seems to resemble some of ARR's work. Even in Sami film the Pudichirukku song intro is the same as Poopol from Minnale.
  YSR on the other hand, may be creating songs in a style similar to ARR, but he is not lifting from him and has a great deal of originality in his music. As stated above, HJ has had a great deal of luck. He has good banners and formed good partnerships. Hopefully YSR too will form great partnerships and then his music will get the publicity and advertising that will show his true talents.
  
  
• From: Music4ever (@ 165.121.128.179) on: Sat Aug 9 11:07:24 EDT 2003
  
  xml, mature music is not a problem with YSR, IMO. His Nandha song that you have listed is one such. YSR is good and I believe has the talent to be the very best of Tomorrow. But where are the numbers that overwhelm the listener (read: people like me)? IR had a plethora of such songs, ARR had many, even HJ has four or five till date. YSR's Irava pagala is definitely a lovely number but does he have his signature song yet? The song VeNNila veliyE varuvaaLa -- isn't that in a Karthik movie (Karthik, Koundamani, and Rambha)? -- is good too but it is not one for the ages, IMO. I will listen carefully to the other numbers that you listed and get back to you with my honest opinion. It is not my intent to trash achievers (YSR is definitely one, what with so many songs at such a young age), but remember that we are comparing him with similar achievers and not with ourselves.
  
  General note: X is lucky, Y had a lot of publicity, Z worked with big banners. These statements should not fool anyone. Aren't these the same reasons attributed to ARR's success? Each MD makes his own luck. There comes a time for a change and up comes a creative MD who uses that to his advantage. It happened in Annakili, happened in Roja, and will very well happen soon again.
  
  
• From: xml (@ 128.148.68.110) on: Sun Aug 10 14:42:25 EDT 2003
  
  music4ever
  
  One good thing with YSR he finishes his job less time. He is supportive for small banners,artists. Accepting for less money.
  HJ is differ from these circumstances.
  Any way both are doing well.
  We need a while to judge their performance, both are new.
  
  

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