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IR-ARR usage of instruments

Topic started by cram (@ 206.103.12.102) on Sat Apr 15 02:38:14 EDT 2000.
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get ready for another round, guys (timepass panna venaam:-))]. no IR or ARR bashing, please, muthallaye sollitten. let's just discuss how each of them has used various instruments. for instance, IR's use of acoustic guitar is unparalleled, while ARR rarely uses it. similarly, IR `pales' before ARR when it comes to electric guitar or keyboards (strictly IMHO, everyone's welcome to disagree). start shooting.

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• From: MS (@ 129.252.22.9) on: Fri Apr 28 14:10:41 EDT 2000
  
  Oh..I missed a great songs..poovaadai kaatrE from My dear kuttichchaaththaan. Choral harmony is just excellent.
  
  athu sari..chorus may have been instrumental in making many IR songs, big hits. But is it an instrument ? May be we are digressing a bit here..
  
  
• From: srikanth (@ 216.190.255.35) on: Fri Apr 28 15:04:03 EDT 2000
  
  vocal harmony
  A novel try by raja is raja rajathee rajanintha raja...agniN..
  in the telugu version,spb renders it, hear it is really awesome...
  
  I am still have a long face for the pa pa humming
  2nd bgm, that song in the tamil version...too much stuttering while singing...could have been avoided..
  
  Ravi., talking of
  Msv and harmony....engle kalyanam kalata kalyanam..
  the chorus harmony is superb.vocals are placed come the saranam...
  this has good chord progression and bass he uses wood bass...proves..he is a master in that too..
  
  
  
  
  
• From: srikanth (@ 216.190.255.35) on: Fri Apr 28 15:05:55 EDT 2000
  
  hari.,I have a doubt on the tabla used in july matham...sounds like it is from a sound module (korg)
  any comments
  
  
• From: rjay (@ brkfw0005.navistar.com) on: Fri Apr 28 15:34:22 EDT 2000
  
  MS,
  
  Digression pathi yoshicha ennai madhiri
  sila per ezhudhavae mudiyadhu.
  
  Joke apart, I think It is appropriate to consider chorus
  as just another instrument, because
  it serves only the basic function of the
  instrument, provide a distinct tone. In
  general Chorus creates much more interest
  because of the human voices.
  
  Natural sounds (bird tweets, water splash,
  bus horn, rain ), Sound effects, cries, etc (as in Columbus,
  Vikram (huhuhahahaa)) can also be treated
  as sounds/instruments and discussed here.
  
  The only non-spoken sound that may not come here
  is lead-singer's alapanai and improvisation. Or Maybe. Opinions?
  
  
• From: hari (@ 202.141.26.182) on: Fri Apr 28 15:35:19 EDT 2000
  
  oops..
  
  i dont have fundaes on sound modules.. all i know is what u guys were discussing here a few days back..
  
  yeah, but i do remember when we thought of doing this song on stage 6 months back... our percussionist said it is impossible to get such a sound from a real tabla. so we had to pack the idea.
  
  incidentally, the tablaish sound in the first few bars of 2nd interlude in Meettaadha Oru VeeNai - i heard a friend play it on a Roland SPD20, sounded decent - is that Tabla, or a factory generated sound? ( or Mirudangam??? )
  
  hoping that this absolutely riveting discussion in this DF continues forever...
  
  hari
  
  
• From: rjay (@ brkfw0005.navistar.com) on: Fri Apr 28 15:37:07 EDT 2000
  
  srikanth
  
  i have not heard galatta kalyanam for a long
  time and have not observed the harmony. if you
  know a web presence, i can listen.
  
  rjay
  
  
• From: srikanth (@ 216.190.255.35) on: Fri Apr 28 15:44:52 EDT 2000
  
  hari,
  the modern sound moudles have wonderful tabla,Ghatam, kanjeera like sounds etc samples, though this cannot replace a real player...it is very handy...if you see many american commercials use tabla sound, (in X-files also)
  thanks to these sound modules...
  
  I will try to put a samples of these sounds and let people identify the difference
  
  Ravi, i have a tape i can upload it soon.
  
  Ms......I belive chorus is form of instrumentation
  
  
• From: aruLaracan (@ psiphi.umsl.edu) on: Fri Apr 28 18:00:13 EDT 2000
  
  MS,
  
  chorus is an instrument (rather choral writing is part of instumentation). funny thing is, counterpoints were developed five/six centuries ago mainly for human voice and choral works, but, unfortunately, tfm hasn't given us many such works. anybody have any views on this?
  
  digression
  a question to wcm buffs. can you please suggest me some good "secular" (= non-religious) choral works? these seem to be extremely rare. i know of a few russian works but these are hard to come by. thanks in advance (= tia :-) ).
  end digression
  
  
• From: srikanth (@ 216.190.255.35) on: Fri Apr 28 18:28:22 EDT 2000
  
  arul yes ,choral singing is always related to christian songs...I have also not heard much without it, even enigma have some religious chanting...
  
  Choral counter points arr tried something close in putham pudu boomi vendum, theendai...
  
  try searching in mp3.com for african vocals, might get something, if you find anything let us also know
  
  
  
• From: kiru (@ surf0004.sybase.com) on: Fri Apr 28 18:30:17 EDT 2000
  
  Chorus as a subtitle :) - rAjA in one of his latest releases has the chorus singing in tamil what he sings in Sanskrit in the interlude.
  aruL, how does it matter if it is in italian or latin ? :)
  
  
• From: kiru (@ surf0004.sybase.com) on: Fri Apr 28 18:31:31 EDT 2000
  
  Backing vocals, vocal harmony - I am thinking this must have been inspired from Soul music. Heard Boyz II Men ??
  
  
• From: kiru (@ surf0004.sybase.com) on: Fri Apr 28 18:35:28 EDT 2000
  
  putham pudhu boomi vendum - I have heard a very similar choral sound on Classical FM. I dont think ARR copied but he usually uses a 'representative sound' of some x in most of his songs, almost approximating to the original language (where as IR would have put a tha na na there).
  
  
• From: hihi:-) (@ psiphi.umsl.edu) on: Fri Apr 28 18:40:49 EDT 2000
  
  kiru,
  
  :-). some 1-, 2-, 3-, 4-, 5-, 6-, 7-, 8-letter words put me off-balance :-)
  
  (please don't issue a fatwa :-)))) )
  
  
• From: kiru (@ surf0004.sybase.com) on: Fri Apr 28 19:14:31 EDT 2000
  
  Who know where all our MDs get inspired from ?
  
  :)
  
  
• From: vijay (@ l-coe009.win.icaen.uiowa.edu) on: Fri Apr 28 22:18:03 EDT 2000
  
  I wonder why no body talks about arr's "margazhi poove"? Or are you guys bored up?? ANS, who is raja??? Is he somebody from arr's music troop????
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.22.9) on: Fri Apr 28 23:22:36 EDT 2000
  
  kiru:
  
  I have heard boys2men. The song of Beatles " Yesterday" had been resung by them. It is simply wonderful. It is one of my evergreen favourites. This sort of singing is called acappella ?
  
  
• From: eden (@ 202.54.71.138) on: Sat Apr 29 01:31:03 EDT 2000
  
  1. IR's choir like chorus: `muthu muthu chudarE chudarE' of `malaikkoil vAsalil'(veerA)- two groups sing in different pitches (alto & suprano?)
  
  2. Can someone identify what instrument IR uses in the prelude of `chinnanjiRu kiLiyE' of KN (he has used in many other songs too)...could be synth sound, but what's the original instrument generating this sound?
  
  3. Talking of vocal & instrument mixing seamlessly -or homogenously(someone posted about the `singAra vElanE' song earlier), what about the second interlude of `AhAya gangai'? In the start of the part, it appears like SJ singing (or making the sound) which ends up on a solo violin... or am I incorrect, is it solo violin right from the beginning? Either way, it's a wonder!
  
  
• From: Krishnan (@ fw2.torolab.ibm.com) on: Sat Apr 29 18:04:35 EDT 2000
  
  Srikanth, I listened to "oho oho megam vandhadho..". Mridangam is used (just a single stroke used four times with a gap of app. 2 seconds) almost at the end of first interlude along with the synth flute kind of sound. Looks like to fill that little gap b/w the synth flute, he has induced a single stroke of mridangam !
  
  Krishnan
  
  
• From: Krishnan (@ fw2.torolab.ibm.com) on: Sat Apr 29 18:34:13 EDT 2000
  
  eden, I think, IR has used this technique (different picth) in many songs in different ways.
  
  In the song "Pudhu maapillaikku" (from AS movie), the "babbabba babbabbari" (not in the beginning of the song, but after SPB sings "pudhu..mapp..", probably even the prelude is sung in two different pitches, but I dont remember now) chorus is sung in two or three various picthes. When SPB sings "pudhu..maap..", the overall chorus "babbabbari" appears to be in a lower pitch, when SPB says "nalla yogamada", the same chorus appears to be in a slightly higher pitch (in sync the the tune of "nalla..yogama..". I need to listen to it again to give the exact picture. Try to listen to it. I dont remember other songs right away.
  
  2) Reg. prelude of "Chinnanchiru..", even I am not sure, but I think he is trying to use something equivalent to that he uses in many of the village type songs. I am trying to recollect the prelude of "thooliyile aadavandha..." from CT. I am not sure about this.
  
  Krishnan
  
  
• From: srikanth (@ 63.226.195.122) on: Sat Apr 29 21:51:44 EDT 2000
  
  Kirshan,
  that is called as vocal harmony...
  meaning, singing atlast 3 notes of a chord...together (if I remember - the chords should be g major and d7th)
  
  (smiiiii song has this for the entire pallavi.)
  
  
• From: sriknth (@ 63.226.195.122) on: Sat Apr 29 21:53:00 EDT 2000
  
  typo: atlast= at least
  
  
• From: cram (@ 206.103.12.102) on: Mon May 1 04:42:59 EDT 2000
  
  one of IR's best chorus examples is in Raasaave unna naan eNNiththaan, the "thananamthamtham" part. what do u guys have to say about it?
  
  
• From: Vijay (@ l-ecn024.icaen.uiowa.edu) on: Mon May 1 07:27:44 EDT 2000
  
  In the song "uyirum neeye, uravum neeye", Rahman has used the mrudhangam excellently (I mean I think it to be mrudhangam at least). The way he has composed the twists were really superb.
  -Vijay
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.22.221) on: Mon May 1 12:15:25 EDT 2000
  
  other examples of IR's chorus:
  
  1. moddupani - en iniya pon nilave 1st interlude, chorus accompanied by violins elevates the listener to a different level
  
  2. ponnoviyam - kazhugu - the chorus and the humming of IR/chorus
  
  3. the church-like chorus at the start of 'idhu oru nilaak kalam' leading to the pallavi is very apt.
  
  4. the prelude to 'solaikuyil oru paatu padikalayaa' from the film thalaatu paadva(?). the chorus in the prelude goes like ' hari hari hari ye.." and has the recording effect which sounds like its coming from some where far off. a great chrous and a great start.
  
  5. if i remember right, i think there is a great chrous 'mannava mannava manaadhi' song i walter vetrivel when a blind suganya sings a lullaby. the chorus is great, it starts slowly and then reaches a crescendo. the scene is that suganya feeds here baby with milk not knowing that it had been poisoned. the BGM in that song would move anyone.
  
  
• From: Krishnamurthy (@ cs71.ceatlabs.okstate.edu) on: Mon May 1 12:55:26 EDT 2000
  
  Some good old english horror films have excellent chorus. I guess in Omen?
  
  

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