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Ilayaraja's comments in Kumudam

Topic started by Karthik (@ 164.164.128.13) on Thu Feb 8 07:26:45 EST 2001.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

IR has, in an interview in the latest Kumudam (also covered in the front page with his snap), said that 'He has wasted 25 years of his life in film music'.

I dont know how others look at it, but I see it as a very harsh statement of total disloyalty. Its tamil film music that has given IR all the attention and praise he is receiving now. If he's a genius in composing WC, that, in any way doesnt affect anybody in TN. What affects the common man in TN is how good IR has composed in his tamil films.

IMHO, it was a statement totally unwarranted and shows utter disrespect on IR's part towards his craft.

Karthik

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Responses:

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• From: Velavetti (@ 206.222.96.195) on: Tue Feb 13 13:32:21 EST 2001
  
  Travis,
  Please keep posting..... we will miss you. Looks like Gangai Amaran has stopped his comedy interludes, if you also stop posting where will we go for entertainment?
  
  Shankar
  
  
• From: Subbu (@ 62.252.224.4) on: Tue Feb 13 13:56:39 EST 2001
  
  Dear Travis (ARR fanatic ?),
  
  rOmba unarchi vasappadAtheenga.. post pannunga.. unga posting ellAmae nalla comedy-Aga irukku.. please...
  
  You have really helped me attain Self-realisation ... I am a fanatic, sheep ..Ummm. vera enna my dear ?
  
  
• From: kk (@ 198.4.92.5) on: Tue Feb 13 14:42:35 EST 2001
  
  Travis,
  As a IR fan I understand, what you are trying to say. For me IR may be god or something close, You consider him as one more great genious. So be it.
  
  Same for me ARR doesnt appear any big. What so great about vandematram?, It has a good unusual beat and a catchy saranam. Can it come near classic patriotic songs like 'tere sur mera tumara?'. How many of us know who was the composer of that song?. Except for ARR's face value his vandemataram is nothing great. Atleast IMO. There is no unjust done to him.
  
  
• From: Interval Over (@ 205.227.43.12) on: Tue Feb 13 16:13:57 EST 2001
  
  Tea, coffee kudikka ponavanga ellam seekkiram vaanga! Padaththa aarambikkalaam! :-)
  
  Sitting on seat-edge, with fingers crossed...
  
  
• From: kooththan (@ 198.73.152.100) on: Tue Feb 13 16:37:16 EST 2001
  
  Tarvis said: "They are like hordes of sheep with fixed mind-set, who just dont want change, which I think I have wasted my time in discussing this matter with a lot like you. "
  
  itheye thaan Rajavum sonnar. neenga oththukka maaten ennuteenga. ippo, athaye neengalum solreenga. ungala ippadi solla vaikirathukku, naduvula yaar yaaro vanthu ethetho sollavendi poochu.
  
  subam!
  
  ....later
  
  
  
• From: Arasu Dakshin (@ 207.14.54.15) on: Tue Feb 13 17:31:00 EST 2001
  
  Isn't the word "fan" derived from the word "fanatic"???
  
  
• From: aruLaracan (@ 134.124.160.10) on: Tue Feb 13 18:15:52 EST 2001
  
  arasu: indha mAdhiriyAna puNpaduththakkUdiya kELviyellAm kEtkak kUdAdhu :-))
  
  
• From: IP-Police (@ 209.187.151.146) on: Tue Feb 13 18:23:58 EST 2001
  
  Looks like Gangai Amaran has stopped his comedy interludes
  
  Looks like Gangai Amaran and Travis, both are from the same camp (194....) !!
  
  
• From: Karthik (@ 164.164.128.13) on: Tue Feb 13 23:21:12 EST 2001
  
  Havent we had enough of running aorund the mulberry bush and sheep talk?
  
  Coming back to the topic, somebody was wondering how one can claim karuthamma or kizhakku cheemayile as grameeyam.
  
  IR had set a superb standard as far as rustic music is concerned in TFM. Now to get ahead of that standard is literally impossible 'cos we have grown up with that rustic music and we identify any village music from TFM's as those composed by IR.
  
  In the modern day village movies (which are far and few) all ARR did was to differentiate himself from the village music standards set by IR. Its perfectly understandable that they might not gel with the story, cos the story itself is psuedo-rustic these days. Look at Bharathiraja, he's swaying from one rustic subject to another city subject and back and forth and so on!
  
  ARR biggest acheivement was to differentiate himself from IR. If anybody disputes, it I understand your point of view. 'Cos you are entitled to your the same way I'm entitled to mine!
  
  But I personally feel IR is capable of much more even in these so-called days when some feel he's already had a burnout. IMHO I did not enjoy the entire soundtracks of Bharathy or Hey Ram (select songs may be but not in toto). As I always say reach is very important. You need to understand and dissect the target audience and then dish your fare.
  
  I still remember a film called Gowri manohari, i still dunno who scored its music, but it had some amazing compositions. That MD had a great music sense and blended carnatic music so well within the mainstream format. But since the movie was a small budget one not many ppl gotto hear it.
  
  But Raja is a known name with so much in control. He'd be the best person to bring another trend into an industry thats dominated by synthetic music - not undermining it...I love ARR's, Harris's and Praveen Mani's work. But I still trust that the kind of innovation coming out of IR would surpass all 'cos of his experience in audience perception.
  
  --Karthik
  
  
• From: travis (@ 194.85.200.36) on: Wed Feb 14 05:11:48 EST 2001
  
  A few things to clarify...the recent messages of mine are directed only against fanatics... And though etymology of fan being derived from fanatic is correct, i think today there is a difference in the way we use it. One can be a fan of ir: And one can be a religious fanatic. As i have repeated myself, i am not anti-ir....this no one seems to realize... and i see lot of peace loving people have suddenly jumped into the foray asking us to stop and related stuff. But I wonder why no one except i think one or two came dropped by, when people were talking silly about arr...Some think i am against IR's name... again, my family has property dispute with him , thats why... its strange that some come up with these kind of statements...
  
  of course i realize there are lot of 'center' minded people and i appreciate a lot are like minded,like me. I was always in the middle.. and my efforts to showcase his bad music(IMO) of late, was only to stress that since he hasnt being flourishing, again like he was in the last decade, he could have started doing something in these years.. Thats the only point and i didnt mean anything else... and when i said instead of talking, i meant instead of complaining now that he has wasted his time.
  
  Hordes of sheep was a term used to describe people who were writing senseless posts, be it here or in this forum, about arr. and if others have been offended, my utmost apologies. I am sorry... maybe i shouldnt have used it.
  
  and one more thing, if people insist this is a public forum, fine by me... I cant comprehend why jump into the regular rhetoric of ir's greatness and all and bang heads with me, when i was just criticizing raja for his work of late. and some people are talking about arr copying for his tunes in karuththamma and one went to the lenghts of saying it is not gramiya music. fine, your opinion. and why not accept when i say something like that abt ir? u dont, instead come up with more stuff.
  
  some people think this is comedy i am doing, too bad. I feel a lot of stand-up comedians, better than me, have posted in this thread...including....
  
  more questions?
  
  
• From: doubter (@ 208.142.210.30) on: Wed Feb 14 11:35:45 EST 2001
  
  Karthik
  
  'Gowri Manohari' was handled by some vague MD. His (her??) name was 'iniyavan', 'iLaiyavan' or soemthing like that. I don't know if he did any other movies.
  
  Nevertheless, 'paartha paarvaiyil' was an awesome song in that movie. SPB and the lyricist also boosted it. Was it written by Vairamuthu? A couple of lines makes me think so.
  
  
• From: paamaran (@ 207.188.29.249) on: Wed Feb 14 12:28:16 EST 2001
  
  Subbudu on IR's comments in kumudam
  
  http://www.kumudam.com/kumudam/kweekly/Book1/km21.html
  
  
• From: Venki (@ 12.35.64.19) on: Wed Feb 14 12:56:51 EST 2001
  
  paamaran
  Thanks a lot for the link. I enjoyed it. I am going to read it again and again. I feel I have started the day so well after reading the article. Vezhka Raaja, Valarga avar Pugazh!! Venki
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.254) on: Wed Feb 14 13:29:45 EST 2001
  
  Paamaran:
  
  By posting this, you are like a Raja here. Words from Subbudu is the "Ultimate".
  
  "Thirai isaikku ippothu pidithulla Grahanam neenga oru vazhi seyyungal"
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
• From: AG (@ 198.232.250.51) on: Wed Feb 14 13:38:41 EST 2001
  
  Is the 'mAyamAn' A.R.Rahman, which Subbudu refers to?
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.254) on: Wed Feb 14 13:53:31 EST 2001
  
  He..He..Then whom do you think is "Grahanam".
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.254) on: Wed Feb 14 14:00:35 EST 2001
  
  The comments fits with this old tamil proverb:
  
  "Vashistar Vayile Brahmarishinnu Pattam". I feel this is much more than the so called "national awards".
  
  
• From: Subbu (@ 62.255.99.101) on: Wed Feb 14 14:44:45 EST 2001
  
  Paamaran : romba Thanks.
  
  Travis : idhu ungallukku .
  http://www.kumudam.com/kumudam/kweekly/Book1/km16.html (mudinthAl Paamaran kAttiya Suppudu article - rendu thadavai padinga please...)
  
  
• From: Karthik S (@ 164.164.128.13) on: Wed Feb 14 22:40:30 EST 2001
  
  I've never considered anyting much of Subbudu's comments 'cos IMHO he's highly biased and I understand it perfectly 'cos at his age he's bound to be senile.
  
  But I'd also like to quote what Kalki kelvi pathil has to say on this issue. Some one had asked in the latest kalki about IR's recent comment in Kumudam, to which the reply was 'innum kaalam kadanthu vidavillai, ippozhuthum avar ninaithathai saathikka mudiyumbothu, pulambal etharku?'
  
  I agree with this one!
  
  When Subbudu started about thalam and vedhalam, I could sense where this write-up will end up in. Does age rob you of open mindedness? Or does it force you to negate what everybody else thinks/wants/enjoys and force you to write something ONLY to get attention?
  
  --Karthik
  
  
• From: NagaS (@ 202.169.129.72) on: Thu Feb 15 01:20:14 EST 2001
  
  Subbudu is biased ?
  You must be joking, As far as I know, he is the only Sangeetha Vimarsagar known for his bold attitude - yaar thappu seythaalum athai suttik kaattuvathil avar thavaRiyathee kidaiyaathu, same goes for his paaraattukkaL also.,
  
  I agree that he has a soft corner towards Raja, But I believe it is purely because of his abilities and nothing else.,
  
  'mudinthavarai nalla paattukkaLaaka thaarungaL' - Great suggestion, Thats what Raja need to do today - Purification (Sorry for using this word) of today's TFM.
  
  NagaS
  
  
• From: Karthik S (@ 164.164.128.13) on: Thu Feb 15 01:49:52 EST 2001
  
  You bet he is, Naga!
  
  I rememeber Subbudu taking Unnikrishnan's pants off in one of his write-up because Unni was singing more film songs. I understand its the same anguish that a singer of Unni's caliber is singing more film songs than classical music, but hey, music is music, whoever it reaches.
  
  Its true that Unni has gained much more fans by reaching out to the masses with film songs. If a person of Subbudu's age cannot be open minded about changing trends, I'd ideally call him senile.
  
  --Karthik
  
  

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