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SPB the greatest singer that India had ever produced

Topic started by greatest_spb_fan (@ 212.2.14.241) on Thu Aug 2 04:57:19 EDT 2001.
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why don't anybody start a thread like 'SPB the greatest singer that India had ever produced', pls

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• From: Raguvaran (@ 212.2.14.241) on: Thu Sep 27 10:04:06 EDT 2001
  
  NCR;
  
  Your Following Posting, does it refer to the film "Alavandhan", because I read in paper that this incident occured in Alavandhan, Could you please confirm that, thanks.
  
  
  >>Balu recalls with pain what a producer said in a recording theatre once. Sound engineer was mixing a song. Producer of the film hurried into the engineer's cabin and told him to ensure that the lyric was not understandable. A stunned Balu asked the producer why the lyric should not be understood. The producer told him that it was the current trend and left the place.
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• From: esaki (@ 203.199.104.159) on: Thu Sep 27 12:40:20 EDT 2001
  
  S.P.B. has the best range in I.F.M.By range I mean low and high.But there is a complaint that he has a tendency to shout above F.But still he sounds great.One also must not forget that Jesudas had a similar range in his peak and he sounded more pleasant when he sang F or G.But S.P.B. was more versatile.But with all his versatality,velvety voice and expression,S.P.B. sounds pathetic when he sang some Kishore Kumar songs.Kishore would have sounded bad too if he attempted to sing,say,Paapaa laali or something.So guys,everything is relative and there is something unique about every voice.Try enjoying each voice for what it is.Nobody is God.
  
  
• From: Sriram Lakshman (@ 63.253.7.139) on: Thu Sep 27 17:48:59 EDT 2001
  
  If you care to read through the archives, you will find enough threads on SPB to cull out from. If you care to read through the 'Old responses' in those threads, you will realise that all these have been discussed several times over. These discussions now, have nothing to contribute other than monotony.
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.25.204) on: Thu Sep 27 18:54:43 EDT 2001
  
  IMagine some body singing from 'mandara Sa to Tara 3rd Nee traversing 36 keys!
  
  Need not imagine. I have heard KJY traverse the entire set. And FYI, SPB to my knowledge has not reached the lower sa in any of the songs. To my best knowledge KJY has a complete range of 3 octaves but usually resorts to lower pa to upper dha (in oru kattai).
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.25.204) on: Thu Sep 27 18:55:51 EDT 2001
  
  Actually he touches upper sa too and that would make 37 keys.
  
  
• From: sundar (@ 61.11.73.131) on: Fri Sep 28 00:39:15 EDT 2001
  
  Mr MS!
  you want us to believe that KJY traversed 1-37 keys!
  KJY even in his best days could sing well only in the madhyama sthayi and mantara sthayi. but when you say setting his scale in "onnam Kattai'" he touched mandara Sa and Sa at the end of Tara sthayi you are talking through your hat.
  All of us know that KJY could never sing with ease in the tara sthayi. he in fact in ragaas like "kedaara gowLai", Hamsadwani, Kaanadaa etc where the the Raagaas ranges are from manadara pa to Tara Pa, I have heard KJY struggling in the Tara range not once but in many "kutcheris".
  Infact many great Carnatic Musicians of yester years like DK Jayaraman ,Semmangudi Srinivasa Iyer,could never sing with felicity in the upper tara range.Even the all time great MS probably in her peak days could traverse 30-32 keys !
  
  WE have to accept some limitations of range in a human voice despite which the person can be a very great singer.
  
  KJY has been an outstanding singer in IFM notwithstanding his limitation in the range.
  
  
• From: Sam (@ 132.235.16.208) on: Fri Sep 28 02:27:06 EDT 2001
  
  A small digression;
  It is said that mariah Carey has a seven octave range, but I doubt it, its almost the range of a Piano. Some sources say that she has a five octave range, which is quite believable, but seven octave?? I doubt it, if she really has that, thats really incredible.
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.25.204) on: Fri Sep 28 02:48:05 EDT 2001
  
  sundar:
  
  I am not unsubstantiated. Read one of my earlier posts which talks about the song "harimuraleeravam" in the film "aaram thampuraan". It is a mallu film but it seems we are talking about KJY - the singer- on the whole and hence we will be justified in crossing language barriers.
  
  If u get a chance to listen to that song, u will come to know of his range. But u are in a way right in the sense that his natural heavy bass gets prounounced and gives a glorious output in the lower notes. My notion about his ability to sing lower notes took a beating when I listened to him in a kutchery recently. I had earlier presumed after hearing so many songs that he could sing only till lower G2. But in the kutchery he proved he can go further down to Shadjam. but that was just a glimpse. He did not sustain.
  
  It is on this basis that I said he seems to span a complete set of 37 keys which is obviously an ability. Another singer could be BMK.
  
  "Even the great MS.."
  
  No singer is considered great for the span of the voice alone though that is one of factors for sure. Her vibrance in the voice, the divinity and the melodic content easily makes her great. FYI, PBS could never sing a song above the upper madhyamam properly. Was he still not a great singer ? He was.
  
  M.D.Ramanathan and semmangudi - they had minimal range. But they are still considered great.
  
  
• From: Raguvaran (@ 212.2.14.241) on: Fri Sep 28 05:25:24 EDT 2001
  
  Esaki;
  
  >>"S.P.B. has the best range in I.F.M"<<
  
  well said, at last some proper discussion, I do not agree, I have not heard KJY sing in muthal kattai, he struggles at ettank kattai, he often sounds nasal, or as if he is screaming at ettank kattai, "kalai vaneeye unai thane thuthithen", from shinthubharavi, he sounds as if he is screaming at ettan kattai, listen to "ellisai geethame", from rasighan oru rasighai, when in muthalan kattai, the bit "etho ragham ennathu kuralin vali", when he sings this he lacks a heavy bass, which is must at muthalan kattai for a male singer, had SPB sang this song he would have sounded superb at muthal kattai, he would have also enchanced the song with his ghamaks speciality, this is not intimidating or degrading the great KJY, but fact.
  
  PBS can not sing or I have never head him sing at ettank kattai, TMs can sing at ettank kattai with great ease, but he can not sing at muthal kattai, but SPB has the best range & voice in IFM!
  
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.26.44) on: Fri Sep 28 06:32:46 EDT 2001
  
  100 % right raghuvaran. vaazga kattai brammachchaarigaL :-)
  
  
• From: Raguvaran (@ 212.2.14.241) on: Fri Sep 28 08:55:59 EDT 2001
  
  MS;
  
  I don't quite understand, what you have implied by saying >>"vaazga kattai brammachchaarigaL "<<,
  
  could you clarify a bit more???
  
  
• From: .. (@ 12.5.10.153) on: Fri Sep 28 09:32:53 EDT 2001
  
  Raguvaran
  by any chance are you working for home depot or
  Kitply!...you seems know a lot about wood.
  -:)
  
  
• From: rajaG (@ 207.43.195.201) on: Fri Sep 28 10:11:09 EDT 2001
  
  Raguvaran: Could you please stop this inaccurate and stupid references to muthalang kattai and ettan kattai. We all know you are ignorant - you don't need to prove it time and again. Either learn the proper terms and use them properly OR stay silent. Please!!! this is a request. BTW, have you heard the term 'E kattai la pOravanE' :-)
  
  Sundar: MS is absolutely right. KJY has touched the lower sa in the C scale (the proper oru kattai :-)) and he has touched the upper C in the tara sthaayi too. BMK touches the lower C in the mandhara sthaayi but uses a falsetto to touch the notes in the tara sthaayi for notes beyond the dhaivatham.
  
  Isaipriyan: (For your earlier question). KJY, in pramadha vanam veendum, has touched the lower pa ( G1) in the aalaapanai and the upper pa (G3) when he says ".....innidhaa". The song thus spans a range of two octaves. The specialty of the song is not in its range, but the crisp brigaas and the sheer melody. The brigaas in the aalaap as well as a small piece at the end of " theLi dheepam kaLi nizhalin kaiththumbil niRaiyumpOl... en " is breathtaking. Only a handful of artists can present that brigaa so smoothly - not SPB, not Md. Rafi, IMO. And I worship the ground on which SPB walks!
  
  
• From: Raguvaran (@ 212.2.14.241) on: Fri Sep 28 10:32:19 EDT 2001
  
  Raja G;
  
  My posting was not directed at you, but at MS, so please do not repsond to posts which are not directed at you, ok, BTW I am not ignorant, I have always stated that BMK can touch the lowest notes as well as SPB & Ghantasala, but I will not agree KJY will do that,why can not you guys accept the fact that SPB, BMK & Ghantasala sounds lot better than KJY, with their heavy bass at lower notes, of which KJY lacks!!!
  
  
• From: mahabs (@ 203.197.138.163) on: Fri Sep 28 10:34:40 EDT 2001
  
  ms
  
  i am very ignorant abt. these technicalities. could you pl. describe in details the songs of 'dhwani'? esp. the song 'aan kuyilae'. it seems to be very high pitched. what is its 'kattai'?
  
  anbudan
  
  mahabs
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.26.44) on: Fri Sep 28 10:49:42 EDT 2001
  
  Raghuvaran:
  
  It is suggestible to hear through ears since that is the most natural way of listening to a song :-)..neenga enna sonnaalum sari dhaan. KJY ku bass illiya ? sari. SPB ku bass jaasthiyaa ? sari.
  
  Mahabs:
  
  enakku therinja aLavukku sure aa ezudharen. But the thread to write in, is not this, but "Malayalam film music" in forumhub. I had been thinking about reviewing the songs of dhwani for quite some time. ' ll do soon. but as a quick answer to your question - no- the song u are referring to, does not seem to be composed in very high notes.
  
  
• From: Raguvaran (@ 212.2.14.241) on: Fri Sep 28 11:11:08 EDT 2001
  
  MS;
  
  SPB, BMK, Ghantasala ku bass jaasthi than, aanal KJY bass kammi, OK
  
  the rest of the singers apart from (PBS, A.M.Rajah, Seerkhazli Govinderajan, Jeychandran) are waste in TFM
  
  
• From: rajaG (@ 207.43.195.201) on: Fri Sep 28 11:12:20 EDT 2001
  
  Raghuvaran: I am 100% with MS on this. neenga dheivam! naa yEdhO theriyaaththanamaa A, B, C, D, sruthi, scale, pitch, octave nu ellaam oLarittEn. inimEy inga vazhi thavari vandhaa kooda yaaraavadhu pinja seruppaalaa...........:-)
  
  
• From: .. (@ 12.5.10.153) on: Fri Sep 28 11:17:49 EDT 2001
  
  Raguvaran...sir
  regarding spb's pitch and kjy's pitch
  which is better suited for spin attack?
  please clarify us....
  
  
• From: rajaG (@ 207.43.195.201) on: Fri Sep 28 11:18:02 EDT 2001
  
  Headline news!!!
  
  Chennai - Noted playback singer TMS commits suicide. Famous playback singer TM Sounderrajan, who was the voice of MGR and Sivaji and many other heroes of yester years, committed Harakiri today upon learning that his entire life, achievements, and renditions were certified "Waste" by renowned critic and expert Raguvaran. TMS's last words were, "muthalang kattai kkum ettan kattai kkum viththiyaasam theriyaama vaazhndhu enna payan?".
  
  

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