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SPB the greatest singer that India had ever produced

Topic started by greatest_spb_fan (@ 212.2.14.241) on Thu Aug 2 04:57:19 EDT 2001.
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why don't anybody start a thread like 'SPB the greatest singer that India had ever produced', pls

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• From: rajaG (@ 207.43.195.201) on: Wed Sep 26 09:34:12 EDT 2001
  
  Raguvaran,
  
  Since Checker has referred to my posts, let me have the pleasure of answering you. Let's start at the very beginning. The alphabets, as you referred to, are the basic nomenclatures by which notes are identified in western music. If you do not know what they are, then 1. get a basic western music primer 2. stop discussing about the technical aspects of music. And please do NOT come to the erroneous conclusion that I am suggesting that one should be a Western Music vasthaadhu to talk about any music. But judging from your posts and inappropriate/inaccurate references like muthalang kattai (I don't know why I am reminded of a crocodile on a piece of wood) and ettank kattai. If you want to know more about "kattais" I will ask MS to take over :-)
  
  You are a fan of SPB and let us live with it. Please do not speak up about the technical aspects, of which you seem to be quite unaware and insult yourself and your hero.
  
  Please take this post in the friendly spirit it is intended.
  
  
• From: rajaG (@ 207.43.195.201) on: Wed Sep 26 09:36:59 EDT 2001
  
  typo: But judging from your posts and inappropriate/inaccurate references like muthalang kattai (I don't know why I am reminded of a crocodile on a piece of wood) and ettank kattai, I have to conclude that you are not a featured artist at Krishna Gana Sabha either:-)
  
  
• From: Raguvaran (@ 212.2.14.241) on: Wed Sep 26 10:19:31 EDT 2001
  
  Raja G;
  
  Since when it is prerequestie to be an expert in Western notes to participate in this forum, I believe I have sufficent knowledge in Carnatic Music to partcipate here,I am an amateur singer in stage shows & competitions in UK & Europe, this is about eastern Indian Music, NOT western music, OK.
  
  
• From: Desikan (@ 194.170.1.69) on: Wed Sep 26 10:23:11 EDT 2001
  
  SPB can be said to be the among the top janaranjaga singer in South India. he cannot sing classical songs, which he himself has accepted, (sankarabharana is not fully classical). there are unlimited talented singers much better than SPB and much less talked about as they were not in the Movie Media.
  
  We have a very bad way of analysing talents, through movies. be it music directors, be it singers, or any other talents. the case of unni krishnan is a standing example. he is such a great singer but he was known to very little people until "Ennavale" in Kadalan.
  
  
• From: Isaipriyan. (@ 157.95.211.50) on: Wed Sep 26 10:54:45 EDT 2001
  
  Raja, talking about the technical aspects can you explain us about the range KJY has adopted in the song "pramadhavanam.." from His Highness Abdulla(Malayalam).YG mahendran was saying in a light music concert that this song had proved that KJY can produce so many brigas and variations in a song possible.I guess u got the point what I am talking about.He takes some abrupt turns in that song which is quite amazing.I don't have a strong classical music background.Pl. don't bother If I had expressed something wrong here.
  
  
• From: Isaipriyan (@ 157.95.211.50) on: Wed Sep 26 10:59:34 EDT 2001
  
  Desikan's pont is absolutely valid.There are so many singers who practice carnatic music but don't have a voice to suit the cinema culture,but are very very talented.There are many singers who can take the maleability in their voice to unimaginable heights.(Ezhutha ezhupukkelam varum)
  
  
• From: italics (@ 216.253.102.3) on: Wed Sep 26 11:22:14 EDT 2001
  
  close italics
  
  
• From: NCR (@ 206.30.30.2) on: Wed Sep 26 11:42:58 EDT 2001
  
  Desikan,
  
  ///SPB can be said to be the among the top janaranjaga singer in South India,
  
  Way to go... Thats a good one though,
  
  
• From: Bharath (@ 192.25.158.12) on: Wed Sep 26 12:37:41 EDT 2001
  
  raghuvaran,
  
  looks liks rajaG clearly said that
  
  //"And please do NOT come to the erroneous conclusion that I am suggesting that one should be a Western Music vasthaadhu to talk about any music"//
  
  so why play "i am a victim" here. Everyone likes spb here but a little less now because of such "thinichifying" from you!
  
  
  
• From: Isaipriyan. (@ 157.95.211.50) on: Wed Sep 26 13:38:24 EDT 2001
  
  Bharath,
  U R damn right!!!
  
  
• From: NCR (@ 206.30.30.2) on: Wed Sep 26 14:17:00 EDT 2001
  
  An article on SPB. Good one.
  
  http://www.andhraonline.com/Tolly/green.htm
  
  The following are few excerpts.
  
  //Today, with the changing trend of screaming replacing good music and the preference of the youngsters for the beat of drums to vocal nuances, Balu should have been out of employment. But he is not.
  
  
  //He and Ilayaraja ruled the south Indian
  film industry for more than two decades. Ilayaraja and Balu who met at the bottom of life's staircase, climbed it together and reached the top. His association with Ilayaraja made Balu sing some of the most memorable songs.
  
  //Balu recalls with pain what a producer said in a recording theatre once. Sound engineer was mixing a song. Producer of the film hurried into the engineer's cabin and told him to ensure that the lyric was not understandable. A stunned Balu asked the producer why the lyric should not be understood. The producer told him that it was the current trend and left the place.
  
  //He however says it would have been better if the producers encouraged some of the very talented singers, who are doing the rounds for chances. He said his generation of singers used to try to understand the true spirit of the lyric and reflect it while rendering the song. But today the fascination of the younger generation is for western drum beats and rhythm. Lyric and its meaning took the back seat
  
  
• From: Raguvaran (@ 212.2.14.241) on: Thu Sep 27 05:05:31 EDT 2001
  
  NCR;
  
  Thanks 4 the above ref, that event (Meeting Clinton) was in 1995, since then SPB had crossed 40K red line, this was Anounced by Mr.Abdul hameed (pattuku pattu presenter), in the program, SPB him self said this about a year ago in an Sun TV interview!
  
  
• From: SUNDAR (@ 61.11.73.131) on: Thu Sep 27 05:16:45 EDT 2001
  
  the reference of 'kattai' is not correctly understood in this thread.
  shruti is measured in kattai.Shruti-->scale
  In the harmonium the setting of the level of shruti is done by simaltaneously pressing the keys of sa.. pa.. sa .
  if the sa (in the beginning) corresponds to the the mudhal(first)kattai(key) it is known as 'Oru
  kattai shruthi' and so on.
  normally a male voice is anywhere between 'oru kattai and 3 kattai.
  a female voice may be between 4 kattai and 6 kattai.
  of course exceptions are there like
  MKT,TR mahalingam,Sg kittappa etc.,
  similarly S.Janaki in females.(who could sing in 8 kattai).
  
  Now coming to range.stahyi--> Pitch/OCTAVE
  
  the carnatic system has mandara sthayi(low),madhyama sthayi(medium0 and and Tara sthayi(HIGH).
  each sthayi has 12 unique sounds or notes represented by
  one Sa and One pa and 2 Ma--> 4 sounds
  3 Ree, 3 gha, 3 dha and 3 nee- however the distinctive sounds are only 2 in each case totalling 4 X 2 --> 8 sounds.
  In all 12 sounds.
  
  all the 3 stahyis put together will mean 36 keys.
  
  IMagine some body singing from 'mandara Sa to Tara 3rd Nee traversing 36 keys!
  
  the range of a singer/voice is in rendering clearly with adequate bass and frequency atleast 26-28 keys covering fully of the madhyama stahyi and parts of Tara and mandara sthyais.
  many leading singers in the present days are not finding it difficult to match this itself.In TFM except SPB nobody has this range today.
  
  hope this puts the 'kattais' and alphabets to rest.
  
  
  
• From: SUNDAR (@ 61.11.73.131) on: Thu Sep 27 05:16:52 EDT 2001
  
  the reference of 'kattai' is not correctly understood in this thread.
  shruti is measured in kattai.Shruti-->scale
  In the harmonium the setting of the level of shruti is done by simaltaneously pressing the keys of sa.. pa.. sa .
  if the sa (in the beginning) corresponds to the the mudhal(first)kattai(key) it is known as 'Oru
  kattai shruthi' and so on.
  normally a male voice is anywhere between 'oru kattai and 3 kattai.
  a female voice may be between 4 kattai and 6 kattai.
  of course exceptions are there like
  MKT,TR mahalingam,Sg kittappa etc.,
  similarly S.Janaki in females.(who could sing in 8 kattai).
  
  Now coming to range.stahyi--> Pitch/OCTAVE
  
  the carnatic system has mandara sthayi(low),madhyama sthayi(medium0 and and Tara sthayi(HIGH).
  each sthayi has 12 unique sounds or notes represented by
  one Sa and One pa and 2 Ma--> 4 sounds
  3 Ree, 3 gha, 3 dha and 3 nee- however the distinctive sounds are only 2 in each case totalling 4 X 2 --> 8 sounds.
  In all 12 sounds.
  
  all the 3 stahyis put together will mean 36 keys.
  
  IMagine some body singing from 'mandara Sa to Tara 3rd Nee traversing 36 keys!
  
  the range of a singer/voice is in rendering clearly with adequate bass and frequency atleast 26-28 keys covering fully of the madhyama stahyi and parts of Tara and mandara sthyais.
  many leading singers in the present days are not finding it difficult to match this itself.In TFM except SPB nobody has this range today.
  
  hope this puts the 'kattais' and alphabets to rest.
  
  
  
• From: SUNDAR (@ 61.11.73.131) on: Thu Sep 27 05:17:09 EDT 2001
  
  the reference of 'kattai' is not correctly understood in this thread.
  shruti is measured in kattai.Shruti-->scale
  In the harmonium the setting of the level of shruti is done by simaltaneously pressing the keys of sa.. pa.. sa .
  if the sa (in the beginning) corresponds to the the mudhal(first)kattai(key) it is known as 'Oru
  kattai shruthi' and so on.
  normally a male voice is anywhere between 'oru kattai and 3 kattai.
  a female voice may be between 4 kattai and 6 kattai.
  of course exceptions are there like
  MKT,TR mahalingam,Sg kittappa etc.,
  similarly S.Janaki in females.(who could sing in 8 kattai).
  
  Now coming to range.stahyi--> Pitch/OCTAVE
  
  the carnatic system has mandara sthayi(low),madhyama sthayi(medium0 and and Tara sthayi(HIGH).
  each sthayi has 12 unique sounds or notes represented by
  one Sa and One pa and 2 Ma--> 4 sounds
  3 Ree, 3 gha, 3 dha and 3 nee- however the distinctive sounds are only 2 in each case totalling 4 X 2 --> 8 sounds.
  In all 12 sounds.
  
  all the 3 stahyis put together will mean 36 keys.
  
  IMagine some body singing from 'mandara Sa to Tara 3rd Nee traversing 36 keys!
  
  the range of a singer/voice is in rendering clearly with adequate bass and frequency atleast 26-28 keys covering fully of the madhyama stahyi and parts of Tara and mandara sthyais.
  many leading singers in the present days are finding it difficult to match this itself.In TFM except SPB nobody has this range today.
  
  hope this puts the 'kattais' and alphabets to rest.
  
  
  
• From: Raguvaran (@ 212.2.14.241) on: Thu Sep 27 06:10:27 EDT 2001
  
  well said sunder; I could not quite explains this "kattais", properly, but you have explained it in a master piece, Excellent!!!. But small mistake in your posting >>"In IFM except SPB nobody has this range today<<"
  
  
  

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