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ALAVANDHAAN - fails miserably?!?!?!?!?!?!?

Topic started by abhinetri (@ 202.56.193.250) on Tue Nov 13 21:04:29 EST 2001.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

This 'so-called' film critic from REDIFF.COM says 'ABHAY' (Hindi Version of ALAVANDHAAN' is a crap movie. The link is given below...
http://www.rediff.com/entertai/2001/nov/13abhay.htm

How crucial was 'music' a crucial factor for a film like ALAVANDHAAN?

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• From: Bharath (@ 192.25.158.12) on: Thu Dec 6 16:27:40 EST 2001
  
  This is a classic example.. If a person is supportive (or even not objective of) discussiong sex without any restraint from the society this is how it is mis interpreted by the common public
  
  //". Free sex in society leads to a devasted family system. "//
  
  yes! who said it didnt? and who is promoting free sex in this forum? let me know when u meet him!
  
  //"A society without morality will not be nice to live in."//
  
  Yes! no arguments abt that whats that got to do with what we are talking about!
  
  //"If you think about it, each and every (authentic) religion in the world taboos sex before marriage, infact abstinence is encouraged the most"//
  
  again yes! no is arguing against it or wants the contrary to be put into practise
  
  //", but his (physical) interaction with a heroine is minimal. "//
  
  well! so what? does that make him holy! its just a movie for crying out loud! and if he is depicting a lover! he doing it wrong
  
  see there are two ways of looking at it....
  
  Rajini is setting an example for the public in showing abstinence and encouraging them to be so
  
  kamal on the other hand is depicting his experiences and showing reality and asks people to learn and live with some facts of changing lives...
  
  
  //"Children should be children, but thanks to the present media, they mature into adults (atleast mentally) at a quite early age!! "//
  
  well let me counter argue and tell u about teh evils of ignorance.. remember the 1.02 billion #. what was the reason for it! ignorant people just making children in industrial quantities.. do u see that happening nowadays?
  
  now what are you going to say...educate them li'l bit on birth control but oh! dont tell them everything but just a li'l bit!
  
  i guess all this comes from a superiority complex that indians are considered more morally upright and the west is a depraved society with people having indiscriminate sex with each other!
  
  what a fallacy!
  
  
• From: Bharath (@ 192.25.158.12) on: Thu Dec 6 16:29:36 EST 2001
  
  //"I don't mean that in a "Talibanic" way"//
  
  but u mean little bit talibanic but not fully... something we have heard abt b4 like the moderate taliban..
  
  
  thats where i guess people like kamal r born.. a undemocratic restriction other peoples lives by people who consider themselves the guardians of culture!... thats why we lost all of it..even the good things in culture that we had...
  
  
• From: Rajini-watcher (@ 202.41.117.3) on: Thu Dec 6 22:09:55 EST 2001
  
  Rajinikanth is a uTTAMAR - nalla joke - avar side artistes, especially married ones kooda vidamaataaraam - avuru utttamar -hi hi hi
  
  
• From: Kupps (@ 156.153.255.126) on: Fri Dec 7 01:33:33 EST 2001
  
  I think kamal in his movies shows something that happen in daily life. (yes kissing, pregnancy b4 marriage included) . some of what he shows may be rare in daily life but neverthless it happens.
  
  
  Bharath, I agree kissing, pregnancy and all are happening. But why to discuss that here? coz showing that is what becomes discussing which I say is not needed.
  
  The thing is Kamal or whoever it is for the sake of attaining publicity thru negative means knowing drudging into this. They are doing the way KuLLa mani is shouting pazhaya eeyam piththaLaikku paerichchambazham near the car of Koundamani & co. Naturally koundamani would get irritated and he will tell kuLLa mani not to talk like that near his car. His car may be good or bad from kuLLamani's perceptive but kounder does have a different opinion about his car. It might be funny or entertainment for sometime if kuLLa mani says annae naa(n) yaavari; ippidi kaththinaa thaanae ye(n) yaavaram nadakkum. True but he is drudging outside his limit isn't he. Isn't it implicit that kuLLamani is mocking at kounder's car. And here we go, what we are doing is the senthil way -- annae paerichchambaLam saaptu naaLachchunnae..he..hee.
  
  Another persective. Praying to God is holy, according to religious practices. Assume that I pray to God daily or very often. That doesn't require me that I have to discuss with others that i prayed, I prayed for this, etc. There might be some special occasion which might necessiate me to discuss a part/whole of my particular prayer to my family member and/or relative and/or friends. These are specific, boundary cases.
  
  Just because I am praying to God (or) just because I share my prayer details to other in some cases doesn't necessiates me to discuss regularly. It doesn't mean that I'm shying away discussing my prayer or I'm pretending that I am not praying.
  
  Just because there are many violators of traffic rules and just because everybody knows that how to violate traffic rules doesn't necessiates to aborogate the traffic rules altogether.
  
  Moreover, for another point of view, sex is something personal, but personal for ALMOST everybody, but still PERSONAL, like going to toilet. There might be some psycological factor about sex or going to toilet. So discussing that might be atleast a bit inappropriate according to that.
  
  Many of us get nauseaic or some strange feeling when we see somebody is dead in road due to accident having brain/liver came out with a pool of blood around. some of us even don't feel to have food for sometime? Why do we think so? Aren't we made up of blood and flesh why to shy away as though we are not? Whereas for those in medical profession they won't have similar feeling. They might be discussing like "hey! yesterday i saw a dead body due to a terrific accident. you see the liver was hanging out and when i saw the spleen it was bigger than the liver....and blah blah. For them its OK. In such a situation neither the commoners' feeling nor the medical professional's feeling is good/bad. it is the feeling that is peculiar for both. There doesn't arise a situation to judge whether that is good/bad; whether that is needed or not; whether the common should behave so or should he behave like a medical professional or viceversa etc. It is what it is, thats all.
  
  We can equate those commoners to indians, medical proffesionals to other culture people and the accident situation to sex/daily duties(toilet etc).
  
  Well I think I was the culprit to drag this thread from AaLavandhan to forumhub style. So Iam duty bound to stop atleast my postings. So let me stop my too much blaberring.
  
  Am I sound like KuLLamani. I could hear the whispers gokka makka piLLayum kiLLi vittu ippa thotillayum aatraan paaru. Sorry guys.
  
  KS, thanks for your immediate compliments and support even if i was blabbering :-))
  
  
• From: WhyNot (@ 203.24.100.132) on: Fri Dec 7 07:16:00 EST 2001
  
  >>i guess all this comes from a superiority complex that indians are considered more morally upright and the west is a depraved society with people having indiscriminate sex with each other!<<
  No no. The same crap happens everywhere. In the west, it's celebrated (I know at least 2 unmarried white gals, whose mothers want them to have kids with their boyfriends) or more or less accepted as normal, whereas in asia it's denounced publicly and often happens thru the backdoor. I'm not saying one is better than the other, just pointing out how things are.
  
  Kamal is definitely rocking the boat. That in itself is not wrong. I admire anyone who has the guts to do something different and stand out of the crowd for their principles, as long as it doesn't hurt others. But I find kamal's motives questionable, that's all.
  
  If he wants to show reality, I would have also liked to see the gals' parents getting pissed off their daughter is pregnant or his fiance embarrased to reveal it in public, or something realistic to go hand in hand with his 'realistic' portrayal of the couple's sex life. But unfortunately, the 'realism' was kamal's fantasy of what reality should be like, not what it really is.
  
  Maybe he should learn to repsect the audience more and come half-way to meet their need for privacy instead of treating them like dumb people who need to have a lesson on accepting reality. Most people I know who are very realistic about sex and society don't like 'smut' talk in movies.
  
  
• From: KS (@ 165.122.128.250) on: Fri Dec 7 10:49:01 EST 2001
  
  Kupps,
  :-))) LOL!!! dhooL:) it was fun reading your posting.
  
  
• From: vimal (@ 143.182.246.27) on: Fri Dec 7 10:49:44 EST 2001
  
  Kupps!! Man, great points!! As you said, religion and sex are private and should be private. In the Indian social system, it is not decent to talk about sex and stuff openly. Let Kamal make a hollywood movie and go about doing things. What next, is Kamal going to fart in his next movie and have a 2 minute dialogue about discussing how farting is natural?? Gimme a break!!
  
  Whynot, couldn't agree with you less. Kamal jokes about her pregnancy before marriage.. imagine, how even AL BUNDY, the worst father in America would react if he finds that his daughter's pre-marital pregnancy is joked about!!
  
  Bharath, assuming it to be OK (which it is not IMHO) to show sex on screen, Kamal idiot should realize that he too old to do such stuff on screen.
  
  Bottomline: would you like watching somebody old enough to be your father make passionate love to somebody as young as your little sister?? I wouldn't!!!
  
  And yeah, about the actresses, it is a given that once they join the industry, they lose all choices and in the end, their lives are sad all stories. It is a curse. Sad, but true.
  
  I think we will end the digression(s) here.
  
  
• From: Bharath (@ 192.25.158.12) on: Fri Dec 7 11:15:22 EST 2001
  
  kupps,
  
  u r bettering urself in every posting!
  
  ana " sopnasundari vechirintha vandiya pathi ivalavu sollittu... vandiya vechiruntha sopna sundariya yaar vechirikaangannu neengalum sollama vituteenga"
  
  Cycle gap'la auto vitta mathiri enna senthil'nnu vera solliyachu! :-)
  
  ippadi diplomacy boundry'a exploit panni neenga ennai kalaikkum pozhuthu... kamal avarodaya boundrya exploit pannuvathil enna thavaru! :-)
  
  parting note: ur prayers and dreams are private to you when u are a common man! the (ONLY) audience you have to discuss them is your near and dear ones.
  
  Kamal is not like us. He has a WIDER audience which lets him discuss his dreams and thoughts with everyone else. its unfair to expect kamal to cheive higher movie making standards if he is allowed to operate from ONLY our level!
  
  
  Again to make one point clear. I also do not approve growing sex in the screen. But at the same time I know I have an option of sitting out and also know I have no right to ask kamal to change his ways! its simply wrong!
  
  Again coming back to tfm related topics... there are so many so many songs in tfm where great lyricists have written "padikkayil pambu neliyuthu..." etc and used double meanings for "neerodai".. to convey sexual innuendos .
  
  Youngsters (aged 7 or 8) happily mutter the song w/o any understanding of the meanings.. hows that for injecting such things indirectly!
  
  why arent you cultural guardians stopping perversion of poetry!
  
  why pick on kamalahaasan! Valluvar is a great person only as long as some of his works are hidden! When you talk about valluvar why not show him in entirity? what better and proper way for kids to learn about sex than learning it from valluvars vast knowledge and experience!
  
  Isnt this hipocracy of the society!
  
  
• From: WhyNot (@ 203.24.100.132) on: Fri Dec 7 11:30:37 EST 2001
  
  "why arent you cultural guardians stopping perversion of poetry!"
  Tat's a good point, but the good thing about tat is, it's not forced upon u blatantly. U can feign ignorance and breathe a sigh of relief the kids have no clue what they r talking about. :)
  
  

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