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Topic started by bb (@ 24.4.254.104) on Tue Feb 20 03:21:22 EST 2001.
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Hi! We've made a major addition to newtfmpage, and that is a big song bank. Dhool features thousands of songs for your listening pleasure. This site is a part of the newtfmpage.com - swara.com group. Together with newtfmpage, we wish to make this the best place to listen to tamil film songs online and know about tamil film music. Our collection includes old, new, famous, rare and unheard of songs. We are still fine tuning and fixing the database errors, so please bear with us. We value your feedback, and this will help us build the site better. Please post your comments below or mail to comments@newtfmpage.com.
This work was done by us (bb and RR) with MS and swara.com ravi.

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• From: bb (@ 206.154.118.2) on: Tue Oct 8 14:33:36 EDT 2002
  
  R, isn't AB's pronounciation more or less okay in most of her songs (except for engenge engenge .. still can't figure out the rest :) )?
  
  
• From: bb (@ 12.234.180.182) on: Wed Oct 9 00:51:47 EDT 2002
  
  Song of the Day: Bhoomiyil Maanida Jenmam from Ashok Kumar.
  
  http://www.newtfmpage.com/cgi-bin/stream.pl?url=http://www.dhool.com/sotd/boomiyil.rm
  
  - A gem by Papanasam Sivan. Sung by M.K.T. There are conflicting references about who the MD is. Manisegaran writes that the MD and lyricist is Sivan, while others mention that the MD is G.R.
  - Raagam Sindhu Bhairavi.
  In http://raja1630.tripod.com/mktb/id2.html, the author writes:
  
  ASHOK KUMAR(1940) produced by Murugan Talkies
  
  As expected, Ashok Kumar was a roaring success. It introduced Kannamba to the tamil screen. Although her mother tongue was telugu, her dialogue delivery is clear and the pronunciation accurate. T.V. Kumudini has done the heroine's role. Chittoor V. Nagaiah plays Emperor Ashoka and Nagarkoil Mahadevan has done a commendable job by his natural acting as Budha bikshu (Budhist monk).
  
  
  MGR, then a younster, makes a brief appearance in this movie as Mahendran. NSK and T.A.Maduram join together in the movie for some appreciable comedy sequences.
  
  The vast vacant space seen in the 'Sathvagunabothan' song is today the busy and flourishing Thiruvanmiyur area in Madras !
  
  
  
  The songs in this movie include some of the finest gems by MKT such as 'Manila vazhvu' in Kalyani, 'Dhyaname Enathu' in Kapi, 'Unai kandu' in Bhairavi, 'Sathvaguna bothan' in jonpuri, 'Van pasi pini' in Sindhu bhairavi', 'Maname nee' in Kunthalavarali, 'Bhoomiyil manida' in Sindhu bhairavi, 'Unnaiye anbudan' and 'Sinam Kamam' in ragamalika( Shankarabharanam, Purvi kalyani and Mohanam). All the songs stand as ample testimony to Bhagavathar's command over carnatic music.
  The duet song with Kumudini, 'Ullam Kavarum' is an adaptation of the famous hindi song 'Piya Milan Ki' by Pankaj Mallick. The tune was slightly improvised in the Charanam by G.Ramanathan to suit the high-pitched voice of MKT. The other song with Kumudini is 'Kidaiyaathu Vaazhvithile', also in a hindustani tune.
  
  This film was directed by Raja Chandrasekhar. G.Ramanathan and Alathur Subramanya Iyer, guru of MKT, have done the background music. The Bhagavathar-Sivan-G.Ramanathan-Elangovan team continued in Bhagavathar's subsequent pictures, Sivakavi and Haridas.
  
  
• From: OISG (@ 193.188.97.152) on: Wed Oct 9 01:12:33 EDT 2002
  
  BB
  
  Sivan modelled himeself of Thyagaraja.He composed the tunes for his own lyrics.
  
  I have read that he used to have long sessions with MKT and write lyrics and sangathis to suit MKT ,rather bring the best out of MKT.I remeber the author of this piece quoting "Maraivai puthaitha oodu" ( thiru neelakandar)in Darbar.
  
  So the tunes must be certainly Sivan s.GR must have have been responsible for the orchestra and interludes.
  
  But GR must have had his own tunes in between.Hence he could use "Echi pizhaikkum2 in Madurai veeran whcih is dangerously close to "Dheena Karunakarne".(there are some more songs of GR which he had reused.I shall recollect)
  
  When you listen to songs like "un Azhagai kana iru Kangal pothathey" "Manamatha leelayai" you can feel GR s tunes.Rather less classical ONLY when you compare them with Sivan s compositions. (Infact in one Music demonstartion i heard that GR was behind the "bring back" Charukesi to main stream)
  
  Sivan s usage of core carnatic ragas Suruti,Natta Kuranji,Bhairavi etc was slightly different from GR s appraoch ,who being in films tend to use more Hindustani ragas like Yaman Kalyani,Desh etc.
  Basically the Hindustani ragas give better scope for composing film songs which need lot of anu swarams to suit the lyrics.
  
  
• From: Cinema Virumbi (@ 203.197.220.219) on: Wed Oct 9 03:29:12 EDT 2002
  
  bb,
  
  One small suggestion (if not already made by someoneelse!!!!):
  
  a la Sun TV, why don't you celebrate Vaaaaaaarams?!!!
  
  Some examples being Sivaji, MGR,Gemini,Savitri, Nagesh,ThEngaay,Cho,MR Raadha,Major, SV Rangarao,
  Bhaarathiyaar, Bhaaratidaasan,Suradha, Muthulingam, Naa. Kaamaraasan, Pulamaipiththan,
  Vedhaa,Kunnakkudi, GR, Sudharshanam, DakshiNaamorthy,TR,GA
  AM Raja, PBS, LRE,Bhaanumathi,
  Guhanathan, CV Rajendran, Sridhar, APN,Dadhamirasi, Panju Arunaachalam,Bhim Singh,Panthulu,Chandilya,KSG
  Gemini, AVM, Modern, Pakshiraja, MGR Pictures,GN Velumani, Muktha, Devar... the list will go on and on!
  
  
• From: haris (@ 148.87.1.170) on: Wed Oct 9 15:09:21 EDT 2002
  
  digression - Posting here - to get bb's attention.
  
  bb,
  what is your opinion on using tamil fonts for discussing in this tfm forum? why dont we suggest and push the same and follow.. Please advice.
  
  
• From: Lord LabakuDas (@ 12.162.224.5) on: Wed Oct 9 15:51:15 EDT 2002
  
  Even though this is newtfmpage, 'M'usic is the main thing discused here..Some of the participants here dont know to read tamil..So no tamil font business..correct thaney bb Sir?
  
  
• From: bb (@ 206.154.118.2) on: Wed Oct 9 15:56:13 EDT 2002
  
  as of now, i think transliteration is better than using tamil font because:
  - search is a big problem. valuable info will not be found through a google search on this site.
  - we don't want to support dynamic fonts. so, you will have to have something like anjal installed on the client machines.
  - updation when fonts change. for e.g., our Pazhaiya Paadal Pakkam still uses inaimathi fonts, and we haven't converted to TSCu_inaimathi yet.
  
  
• From: haris (@ 148.87.1.170) on: Wed Oct 9 16:31:58 EDT 2002
  
  agreed.
  
  
• From: kodipangu Ravi (@ 63.231.21.101) on: Thu Oct 10 01:49:55 EDT 2002
  
  bb
  
  inRaya dhool pAdal????
  
  
• From: bb (@ 12.234.180.182) on: Thu Oct 10 02:26:08 EDT 2002
  
  ravi, friend veettile saappittuttu ippO thaan vandhEn :)
  
  Song of the Day: athikaalai nEramE from meeNdum oru kaadhal kadhai.
  
  http://www.newtfmpage.com/cgi-bin/stream.pl?url=http://www.dhool.com/sotd/athikaalai.rm
  
  - A rare gem, by IR. Sung by SPB/SJ. Lyrics by Gangai Amaran (?).
  - This movie was directed by Prathap Pothan and starred himself and Radhika as mentally retarded couple. It won a national award too.
  - If I remember correctly, the picturization of this song was excellent, and the cinematographer was P.C.Sriram.
  
  
• From: Saravanan (@ 213.42.1.174) on: Thu Oct 10 04:24:58 EDT 2002
  
  bb- superb song! SJ enchants when she sings'Koodatha nenjam rendum kooduthe'. It was a very boring film. (Charuhasan's 'Ulagam oru urundai' was imitated by many of us in school!)
  
  There is another song in this film-'Azhagaana oru ooru, Gorakundhaanu peru',which we found very amusing. Years later, I found that there is really a beautiful village called 'Gorakundaah' on the slopes of the Nilgiris!
  
  
• From: Cinema Virumbi (@ 203.197.220.219) on: Thu Oct 10 07:43:31 EDT 2002
  
  bb-
  
  ennudaiya Vaaaaaaaaram suggestion-kku oru reply-um kidaiyaadhaa?!!!!
  
  
• From: Peter Pan (@ 170.140.250.40) on: Thu Oct 10 09:46:17 EDT 2002
  
  Yet another 'perfect' duet from IR-SPB-SJ that got lost in a low-profile, flop movie. I do remember watching the song on TV, with Pratap and his then wife Radhika- apparently mentally challenged teens- running around Ooty in their school uniform, making faces and rolling their eyes (the only skill that comes naturally to the former IMO) ;).
  Musically, the song brings in the morning freshness through the prelude, interludes and the way the tune progresses.
  The tune is unpredictable with its many twists and turns. Like the lines 'kAvEri neer alai adhu kadalOdu vandhu sErndhadu' and later, 'Nenjodu Oorvalam vara, NeengAmal nAm sugam peRa'. And the way SJ and SPB render this song smoothly makes it a great listening pleasure. I can't imagine a Sadhana Sargam and Hariharan combo doing justice to this number today.
  The 'violin quartet and piano' piece in the 2nd interlude with no rhythmic instruments playing in the background is just mind-blowing!
  
  
• From: bb (@ 12.234.180.182) on: Thu Oct 10 10:34:40 EDT 2002
  
  CV, enna solradhu-nnu theriyallai.. the "muLLangi vaaaaram" concept is far from what i think of this as :)
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 68.16.25.50) on: Thu Oct 10 11:08:37 EDT 2002
  
  bb, thanks for the song, one of my all time favourites. As Pan mentioned, the second interlude in this song is just incredible. It ranks high amongst the SPB-SJ duets.
  
  
• From: Jeera (@ 206.175.176.2) on: Thu Oct 10 13:22:40 EDT 2002
  
  bb
  
  Your song selections are gret. Listening to some of the songs makes me nostalgic. Listening to this song, I remember the days when me and my cousin would run to the audio shops almost every week looking for new songs (we would have listened to the already new song cassette brought off of previous week thousand times). IR never disappointed us, there would be a new movie and new songs atleast every alternate week.
  
  This song sounded so different that at first we did not like it. But from the second listening we started loving it.
  
  Thanks once again.
  
  
• From: nelson (@ 202.9.180.216) on: Thu Oct 10 23:30:03 EDT 2002
  
  
  great selection of this song-rare gem.pleasant,touching,excellent performance by SPB/SJ.
  
  
• From: bb (@ 12.234.180.182) on: Thu Oct 10 23:46:19 EDT 2002
  
  Song of the Day: naan eNNum pozhudhu from azhiyaadha kOlangaL.
  
  http://www.newtfmpage.com/cgi-bin/stream.pl?url=http://www.dhool.com/sotd/naan.rm
  
  - This song is a rare gem by Salil Chaudhary. Sung by SPB.
  - Thread on Salilda: http://www.newtfmpage.com/forum/7233.07.18.58.html
  - Directed by Balu Mahendra.
  
  RajaG writes on this song:
  This song was originally composed in Bengali as 'naa mOnO laagEnaa' by
  Salilda and he released it as aadHunik baangla gaan (Bengali modern songs)
  by Lata Mangeshkar. As far as I know, it was not associated with any movie.
  The Bengali MDs who were also famous Hindi Film MDs (SC, SDB, RDB) always
  used Bengal as the test market before they 'recycled' the songs for Hindi
  film songs. There are countless HFM hits by these MDs which have popular
  Bengali originals - of course, none were copies because they were the
  original creators in Bengali too. Later, Salilda used this song (with Lata's
  voice again) as 'naa jiyaa laagE naa' in Anand. (Strangely, none of the
  other three songs in Anand have Bengali originals).
  
  One interesting point is while the orchestration of the song was similar for
  Bengali and Hindi, the thamizh version (I can bet there is probably a
  Malayalam version too) has a much longer prelude, longer and richer
  interlude scores and also has a concluding score after the final pallavi by
  SPB. There is also a lot of voice chorus in the interlude which was absent
  in the original. In terms of singing, obviously LM set the standard but both
  Hindi and Bengali versions of the song border on the melancholy. SPB's
  version adds a beautiful romantic touch to the song. But then SPB is a fan
  of LM and SC and he would have set himself a high standard to deliver a
  classic.
  
  
  MS writes on this song:
  A gem of a song from SPB-Salil choudhry. One song
  which tells us how much IR has been influenced by
  Salil. Salil is one of those melody makers of the
  great hindi classics era but with a characteristic
  touch of western flavour. His melodies were incisive
  and truly original. This song's original version was
  sung by Lata Mangeshkar in the movie Anand "naa jiya
  lage na..". In my opinion it pales in comparison with
  the delivery of SPB in tamil. The song is flat though
  lata is sonorous. The hindi version was completely
  made devoid of the characteristic lengthy prelude and
  similar interludes. Hindi audience is not as patient
  as tamil is when it comes to inteludes :-) When SPB
  sings the second charaNam, u can find at the start a
  distint "micro brigha" which is absent in Lata's
  version. In fact Lata's song is ultra flat and hardly
  has any unexpected twist except for the way she sings
  'jiyaa laga ne' in the ante-penultimate line of the
  song.
  
  hindi version of the song available here
  
  http://www.musicindiaonline.com/music/l/XX0100000W
  
  The prelude is highly reminiscent of 'ore naaL unai
  naan nilaavil paarththadhu'. The usage of violins and
  the ending guitar pice are highly similar. The usage
  of chorus in interludes is very much similar to what
  IR used in many songs. This has song's strcutre has
  these features:
  
  (1) long prelude(1:09 min..longest probably in tfm)
  (2) dhara dharannu mEla yeri keeza irangum violins
  (3) guitar ending in the prelude.
  (4) the charaNam of both songs start ghazalish.
  (5) bass guitar in the interludes usage is ditto IR.
  (6) "andha naaaaL" - sounds very familiar to
  "pournami.." (ennodu pattu paadungaL from
  udhayageetham)
  
  All these are there in 'ore naaL unai naan nilaavil'
  too. After all these similarities it is indeed worth
  mentioning that IR was a lead guitarist in salil's
  troupe for sometime :-)
  
  another song which is in the same lines is : mazaiyum
  neeye from azagan - SPB urugi rasiththu paadiya
  matroru paadal.
  
  A song to cherish for all SPB lovers.
  
  
• From: archivist (@ 152.163.189.230) on: Fri Oct 11 00:14:38 EDT 2002
  
  no doubt one of the finest versions of any SC song. The prelude and the first interlude are thrilling, a mini overture by itself. btw, this one SPB song and the adkikalai nerame of IR are two very tough tunes to grasp and sing. especailly i found adikalai nerame too complex even though to hear it seems just simple. try singing the charanam. btw, naan ennum pozhudhu lyrics is Gangai Amaran!!!! How about that? SC is known for using the best lyricists wherever (in Mal, it was mostly Vayalar) why he did not have Kannadasan? was it because of Balu Magendran? (thinking of Balu M, where is SPM these days?
  
  

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