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MOOD AND MELODY - HAS ARRAHMAN BROUGHT A NEW DIMENSION TO POPULAR TAMIL MUSIC?

Topic started by sinnathamby.s (@ webcacheh09a.cache.pol.co.uk) on Fri Feb 18 20:24:02 EST 2000.
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Tamil film songs are, whether based on classical raagas, folk or contemporary tunes, melodious. That is to say, with some reservation, there is only melody in them. The other aspect - mood is largely absent. But some songs are exceptional. `Paar magale paar` is a great song with an ideal combination of mood and melody. But these types of songs are few and far between.

The arrival of ARRahman in Indian music scence is indeed epoch-making. Songs after songs he blends beautifully, mood and melody. By introducing new voices, he adds a new touch of vibrancy, youth, excitement and various other moods, while not loosing appropriateness to the lyrics. Listening becomes a new experience, easily identifying the nature of the songs and get abosrbed in the background.

Comments are invited.

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• From: (@ 213.11.117.254) on: Mon Jun 4 06:02:46 EDT 2001
  
  I would say that EVANO ORUVAN VAASIKIRAAN from Alaypayudhe is definitely a mood melody by ARR.
  
  
• From: G.Ragavan (@ 164.164.130.13) on: Mon Jun 4 08:29:50 EDT 2001
  
  Hi Nameless, you are correct. In Bombay "Uyire Uyire" song was also such one.
  
  
• From: mediator (@ 213.123.12.125) on: Mon Jun 4 09:45:40 EDT 2001
  
  Don't try and say that ARR has done more for TFM than IR.ARR is coming to the end of his reign, so soon but IR is a longstanding genius who used traditional instruments and can cater to the whole age spectrum.ARR has produced great music, but he hasn't brought anything to TFM that wasn't there already.Please stop blowing your trumpets for ARR.
  
  
  
  
• From: saketh@binghamton (@ 159.48.248.2) on: Mon Jun 4 11:27:43 EDT 2001
  
  IR is brilliant when it comes to turning on the mood. Yet his melodies are so simple.
  1. Poovoma oorgolam (Chinna Thambi) (one of my all time favorites, playful song with good lyrics)
  2. Chinna Thaay Aval (Dalapathi) (man, does he make you cry)
  3. Nee oru kaadhal sangeetham (Nayakan)(there cannot be a better tune/song for that mood)
  4. Ellorum sollum paatu (Marupadiyum)
  All the songs have interludes that are blend seamlessly with the songs. With ARR, I feel the interludes are engineered into the song. All this IMHO. However, ARR has some sweet numbers.
  1. Enge enadhu kavidhai (KKKK)
  2. Nila kaaykiradhu (by Harini) (Indra)
  3. En Kaadhale En Kaadhale (Duet)
  4. Kangalil enna eerama (Uzhavan)
  
  Guys, don't start comparing the four songs I named of IR with the four of ARR. It is pointless!
  I kind of feel that IR is better at making people cry. IMHO again!
  
  
• From: badri (@ 202.9.147.194) on: Mon Jun 4 13:40:51 EDT 2001
  
  cosmician 'oru kaaviyamm arangehrum neyrhamm'sung
  by IR is from ARUVADAI NHAAL.
  Kizakuch Cheemaiyile, Karuthamma had only artificial village smell.for pure grahmiya vaasam
  it is the one and only IR.further have u forgoten
  mood of bhakti in 'janani'song,mood of mother in
  'amma endru azhaikaatha'.all IR songs had proper
  moods for the situation.'engey sellum intha paathai'-sethu mood of luv sorrow.list never ends.
  I agree that DUET was a gud luv mood music by ARR.And cry of luv in 'thendrale thendrale'-
  kaadhal dhesam was great.agreed.
  but remember, in speed,accuracy ,vaxing melody,
  perfect moods for volumes of songs,never compare
  raja with any1 .INSPITE OF ARR HIMSELF SAYING NOT TO COMPARE HIM WITH GREAT LIKE I.R ,I DON KNOW Y
  U NEVER STOP DOING THIS.
  ILAIRAAJA IS MATCHLESS MELODY MASTER.
  ARR IS GUD SONG MUSICIAN.
  
  
  
• From: G.Ragavan (@ 164.164.130.13) on: Tue Jun 5 01:57:57 EDT 2001
  
  badri,
  we were not comparing IR with ARR. It is just a discussion. you are most welcome to discussion without any bias.
  Kizakuch Cheemaiyile songs are really good. I stopped listening "Then Kizakuch Cheemaiyile", because of the sad mood the song brings. In Karuthamma there is one song missing in the CD. it was by Jayachandran. When the heroine gives bath to his father, the song comes in background.
  oru aampalaiyap pethirundtha
  enaiko em pozappu - these lines come in middle of the song. That is also good example.
  
  Basically, MSV and IR are really lucky to have movies with heavy stories so that they had to express the mood in songs. We know well about the present movie stories. I pity for Rahman.
  
  
• From: G.Ragavan (@ 164.164.130.13) on: Tue Jun 5 02:02:17 EDT 2001
  
  I missed one great song of IR. That is from "Muthal Mariyaathai". All the songs in that movie are very great. Especially "Ye Kuruvi" song. The hero never had happiness in his life. So small things attracts him very much. Chinna Sandthosham. So the song is also small. Malaysia's contribution is very great.
  
  
• From: kiru (@ 64.166.85.213) on: Tue Jun 5 02:51:07 EDT 2001
  
  G Ragavan..I dont think even ARR is interested in doing all kinds of films..That is why he does only a few films a year. He is already choosy..Otherwise, he would have done bArathy, hEy rAm etc. kind of movies. These movies are serious aren't they ??
  
  
• From: G.Ragavan (@ 164.164.130.13) on: Tue Jun 5 03:06:00 EDT 2001
  
  yes kiru. he is very choosy. but barathy and hey ram type movies were never offered to him. people approching ARR wants five songs. that is all. he should come out of that first. whenever he got the oppurtunity, he did well. he should do much more.
  
  
• From: Saravanan (@ 64.220.209.210) on: Tue Jun 5 16:46:18 EDT 2001
  
  GR,
  I am not coming to say ARR is not at all a musician but who fails to bring mood in his songs. That's all. I am sorry for not including old songs and of course our great melody maker MSV. But why i compared IR here was because of the thread title. Whatever ARR does, there's a mob saying AAHAA, OHO!! I cant understand this logic at all. This mob will go on praising him even if he gives out some crappy outputs. I hate this title which tells that as if ARR only brings mood and melody to TFM, as others just did some nonsense on all these years! Summaa raekki vidaatheengayya! That's what i want to say....
  Anyway, i am sorry for referring ARR as sound engr. He may be a good musician also. But mixing up moods in his songs, never been compared with IR and MSV.
  
  
• From: G.Ragavan (@ 202.144.44.234) on: Wed Jun 6 01:47:19 EDT 2001
  
  saravanan, you are correct. but still we have to wait to decide about ARR. It is too early to speak about him.
  
  
• From: cosmician (@ 194.170.127.53) on: Wed Jun 6 04:19:16 EDT 2001
  
  Saravanan....I am just 6 months old here...from what I've seen this mob mentality can be attributed to other MD fans as well...this thread was started I'm sure because many HCIRF were starting threads just to show that IR had done many innovations...though I personally have nothing against these threads but then in this "thread-war" true music lovers are the victims...whichever thread we go...we have this IR-ARR war starting up..maybe it makes life more interesting..but opinions differ.
  
  
• From: Saravanan (@ 64.220.209.210) on: Wed Jun 6 19:28:04 EDT 2001
  
  GR,
  I agree with u. To prove himself, ARR has a long way to go.....
  Cosmician,
  Many times, i have also felt the same. Sometimes, i felt very much annoyed and as a result of it, i have sometimes bursted out with my words, for which later i cursed myself! But, as u said, it's all good to have, for atleast to know about other's opinions. I think among all the threads, the number of threads which wage a war against ARR and IR is more...
  
  Coming back to the thread, kalyaana maalai from puthu puthu artthangal. Kan moodi kaettaal, aahaa... This song really takes anyone to a world of it's own.....
  
  Thanks GR and cosmician to make me to feel comfort.
  
  
• From: G.Ragavan (@ 202.144.44.234) on: Thu Jun 7 04:31:05 EDT 2001
  
  Saravan, always friendly discussions give the comfortness. Let us continue that.
  
  Kalyaana Maalai song is very good. But what is the mood of the song? I really didn't get it.
  
  You missed one more great song from IR. "Chollal Aditha Sundari". I need not tell about it.
  
  Yesterday I listened songs of STAR. forget about recycled one. Nendthukittean song is very good. There is a slight change in Rahmans style. It is a good change. Let us wait for some more albums.
  
  
• From: tamil music fan (@ 202.9.182.66) on: Thu Jun 7 05:27:30 EDT 2001
  
  msv through his music and mani singers tms and suseela really picturised the scenes for the audience. similarly illayaraj did with spb and s.janaki and chitra. however rehaman although his music is extrodinary, his main singers did not raise to occassion. also in the name of introducing new singers, stale voices came and killed his music and we are not able to hear rehman songs after some time due to voice deficiency.
  
  
• From: kk (@ 198.4.92.5) on: Thu Jun 7 09:44:44 EDT 2001
  
  "Kalyaana Maalai " is suppose to be a wedding ceremony song. It cant be pathos because its a wedding, at the same time it should express his own hero's disfunctioning marriage. Thats the mood and its perfect.
  
  
• From: Music ain't no Buiness? U tellin me? man, U ain't seen nothin yet. Know to sin(g) man? (@ 4.54.221.85) on: Thu Jun 7 10:35:17 EDT 2001
  
  Get me a song like 'Oru Kumkuma Chenga malam" from Aaradhanai or Aaananda Raagam from Panneer Pushpangal or Uravenum Pudhiya Vaanil from Nenjathai Killathey, Kanmaniye Pesu from Kaakki Chattai or another 100 songs too tedious for me to list here that evoke moods never even brought out by any other Indian film composers not the least ARR.
  
  In my observation ARR is a desperate composer, who will do anything different any ways to be just singled out for attention. that is what modern pop culture is about. attention and making the audience get used to bullshi...
  
  ARR comes from ad background so he knows how to do business. his concenr is not music or mood, just how much he can make bullshi in and be there first in doing so.
  
  
• From: cosmician (@ 194.170.168.237) on: Thu Jun 7 16:58:03 EDT 2001
  
  Mind your words...pls don't spew the mud in your brains on us...how do you feel when I get personal ? So I think it is better that we don't get personal..until u back ur statements with solid arguements and proof !
  
  
• From: Saravanan (@ 64.220.209.210) on: Thu Jun 7 17:16:01 EDT 2001
  
  GR,
  Thanks a lot. In kalyaana maalai, the lines, azhagaana manaivi to santhosa saamraajyamae, IR really takes the person's mind to the extent of being with their own wives. Same way, the next saranam ( soakangal enakkum nenjodu irukkum, WOW! Wonderful lines,tune and music... ) I really like that song and hence i pointed it out. But i cant understand ur wordings that say where lies the mood??!! Hear the song once again and feel the difference. That's my opinion. Anyway, it differs from person to person.
  Cosmician,
  What's going on? Tensed up?!!
  
  Another song is unakkena thaanae innaeramaa from ponnukku thanga manasu, by IR and SPS. It really brings a lovely mood and the pain in waiting...
  
  Vaartthai thavari vittaai from sethu... Poangappaa, kaetkavae kastamaana paadal athu.. Too much soagam!
  
  GR, any comments??!!
  
  
• From: kiru (@ 64.166.85.213) on: Fri Jun 8 01:01:37 EDT 2001
  
  Re: "Vaartthai thavari vittaai from sethu..Poangappaa, kaetkavae kastamaana paadal athu.. Too much soagam! "
  
  Absolutely..very poignant..no better example for mood and melody.
  
  
  

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