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ARR's interview in Kumudham 18/11/99

Topic started by Kamesh (@ pm-102-199.tm.net.my) on Mon Nov 15 01:42:27 EST 1999.
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• From: Rex (@ dialup-209.244.112.8.atlanta1.level3.net) on: Wed Nov 17 22:55:41 EST 1999
  
  srikanth
  
  Rexji has a little bit of commonsense to identify who an "arrogant dictator" is and who NOV is. He is not under any identity crisis. Everyone has his/her right to express, and you are always keen on stifling the voice of others, by bringing in unwanted discussion like Bavatharini, etc, etc, which is in no way concerned with either this thread or my views. Please, you live and let others live.
  
  Try to substantiate my claims by giving some substance and points like NOV.
  
  
• From: Rex (@ dialup-209.244.112.8.atlanta1.level3.net) on: Wed Nov 17 22:58:54 EST 1999
  
  NOV:
  
  Andha pazhamozhi does not make any sense to me....konjam explain pannungalen....serious aa puriyala.....TIA
  
  
• From: AthiNarayanan (@ 141.chicago-06-07rs.il.dial-access.att.net) on: Wed Nov 17 23:25:30 EST 1999
  
  Interesting to see so many people writing in this thread echoing different opinion.
  
  Is the prelude of this interview meant as a dig at IR? May be ARR wanted to have that as a precondition before giving this interview.As an aside,many of you would be knowing that Rajini likes to be attired in a black dress always and even there ARR doesn't seem to be original.
  
  But it is very well known how ARR gets all the success from - Working with the commercially successful directors and big heroes where their names will definitely ensure that his music will get all the marketing.Media again writes this as he selects stories before working but the reality is he only wants to work with big directors and actors as otherwise he is not sure of the success of his music.Proof of this is the miserable failures of countless movies where he has worked with mediocre directors(like Suresh Krishna,Vasu,Vikraman etc) Regarding his Hindi foray,how can the failure of the hindi remake of Kadhalukku Mariyathai be explained? The same movie had run so successfully in all the other languages.And also another hindi movie with Priyadarshan as director flopped miserably.Even DilSe was a failure in Hindi I believe as well as Jeans.How can ARR take credit for only success of his movies(which ofcourse is due to many other reasons like director,actors etc) while when the movie fails,he is not the reason and he becomes philosophical about that.
  
  Somebody earlier wrote that he created a storm in Roja with his music but the reality is the movie had the direction of MR to launch him and if he had succeeded in his first movie with a new director and new faces,he should have been given all that big credit and not with MR as the director especially when MR was at his peak.After tying up with ARR,3 out of 5 MR's movies have failed and the remaining two(Roja,Bombay) were on the same theme and MR is on his downhill already and will ARR take credit for this?
  
  I have been a passive listener in this forum but seeing the hype generated in this forum nowadays especially in this thread,I thought of writing this.
  
  Athi
  
  
  
• From: Rex (@ dialup-209.244.112.8.atlanta1.level3.net) on: Wed Nov 17 23:40:38 EST 1999
  
  Athi:
  
  How can ARR take credit for only success of his movies(which ofcourse is due to many other reasons like director,actors etc) while when the movie fails,he is not the reason and he becomes philosophical about that.
  
  A wonderful observation man!! Rather than taking personal digs, it would be better for certain elements to share practical thoughts like yours!
  
  We should also agree with what NOV has to say....Yep most of us also listen to ARR's songs. However the only contention here is, whether his claim of using "rare ragas for bgms" is justified. If so, are there at least one or two movies where all of us can proudly say that "ARR intha movie la BGM kalakeetaarappa....!"
  
  
  
• From: NOV (@ ptl-cache6.jaring.my) on: Thu Nov 18 00:06:43 EST 1999
  
  Rex - The pazhamozhi was for ARR.
  Most of us readily admit that he is not greatly talented, especially in BGM.
  BGM sari illai, BGM sari llai, endru solli kondirunthaal onnum aagaatha; sattiyil irunthaal thaan agappaiyil varum... :-)))
  Ithai naam purinthu kolla vendum.
  
  But the truth is that he is working very hard to improve himself and should be credited for that.
  
  
• From: NOV (@ ptl-cache6.jaring.my) on: Thu Nov 18 00:12:11 EST 1999
  
  And one of the reasons, he contracts out the BGM portion to Sabesh-Murali, is because he knows his shortcomings.
  
  What ARR is currently doing for the TFM scene is sufficient and the reality is that he is taking TFM in the right direction, with the assistance from the foundation laid by the previous generation of MDs.
  
  
• From: eden (@ 202.54.71.142) on: Thu Nov 18 00:20:54 EST 1999
  
  NOV!
  Neenga andha proverb'a explain pannalaye? Let me do that:
  
  satti=brain
  
  Loosely rendered, it goes like: `There'll be (good) output only if enough stuff's there in one's brain':-))
  
  
• From: NOV (@ ptl-cache6.jaring.my) on: Thu Nov 18 00:52:57 EST 1999
  
  Eden - Talent has got nothing to do with brains.
  Let's not further add to the already existing tension.
  
  What is happening here is a natural phenomenon.
  IR ruled and ARR rules.
  IR had multitude of talents in many areas and none in some.
  ARR too has great talents in some areas; it is unfair to single out his weakness in an attempt to discredit him.
  
  Anyway, everyone can cry out loud, but the fact remains that ARR is ruling the roost now.
  
  
• From: Sree (@ orchid.cs.concordia.ca) on: Thu Nov 18 01:07:10 EST 1999
  
  is it NOV month nov(w)? :-)))
  
  
• From: NOV (@ ptl-cache6.jaring.my) on: Thu Nov 18 01:21:25 EST 1999
  
  Sree - ROTFL.
  It's great to see that soem people have managed to retain their sense of humour. :-))
  
  
• From: Maniratnam (@ bkj-cache81.jaring.my) on: Thu Nov 18 03:00:45 EST 1999
  
  ellam nadaga meydai ithil IR & ARR is actors u n mi 2
  
  
• From: eden (@ 202.54.71.148) on: Thu Nov 18 04:25:26 EST 1999
  
  NOV!
  I'm sorry, even now I think talent has got everything to do with (physical) brain! NOM:-)
  
  
• From: Rex (@ dialup-63.210.72.214.atlanta1.level3.net) on: Thu Nov 18 08:12:06 EST 1999
  
  NOV, eden:
  
  Thanks for the explanation!
  
  
• From: NN (@ morrison.matrox.com) on: Thu Nov 18 09:03:13 EST 1999
  
  NOV,
  Kalakkunga!
  
  
• From: thathuvavaathi (@ inehou-pxy05.compaq.com) on: Thu Nov 18 12:34:42 EST 1999
  
  "sattila irundhaadhaanE agappaila varum"
  
  "ARR too has great talents in some areas; it is unfair to single out his weakness in an attempt to discredit him"
  
  NOV: idhukku pErdhaan 'piLLaiyaiyum kiLLi vittu thottilaiyum aattaradhu' !!
  
  ;-))))
  
  
• From: SM (@ nat01smurugap.sgum.mci.com) on: Thu Nov 18 13:28:13 EST 1999
  
  NOV, very good points.
  
  Rex, maybe ARR has really used some rare ragas in BGMs. (Nowadays, he's not doing BGMs at all. That's a different issue;-))) Maybe, Srikanth can clarify.
  
  Srikanth, has ARR really used some rare ragas in BGMs? If so, can you please explain with some examples?
  
  
• From: Srikanth (@ 216.32.18.74) on: Thu Nov 18 14:25:35 EST 1999
  
  Yes, frankly Mand is somewhat rare. I would say this because after MSV era no one touched mand, Arr uses it very frequently. He also uses misra mand more frequently.
  One of the main factor about Arr music is it is different!.... Arr uses ragas very differently, will anyone belive kannuam kannuam is in siva ranjani, siva ranjai is often used for emotional songs, but Arr used it for a indianish hard rock like number.
  Take shalaku baby from mutalvan, mohan comes in different form, also samba samba from Lovebirdds, will anyone belive its bhilahari, especially the guitar scores in the first bgm (played by prasana), we can clearly smell bhilahari there, simply it is different.
  
  If you hear Raja's mohanam they are often alike,
  the song Ponguthe... (Sorry - i do not remember the movide name) in some revathi movie, sounds simlar to kasthuri manne from pudmai penn, they sound the same, he uses same mirudhangam patterns in both the song.
  
  Regarding Arr bgms, I will explore more in this, usally I do not care to worry about RR in ARr movies, but Sangamam was a different one, it had good scores in misra mand.
  
  
• From: chandy (@ 209.125.83.228) on: Thu Nov 18 14:34:32 EST 1999
  
  pg : ARR has done quite a bit of recylcing (eg : nila kaigiradhu), but his "lifts" have been minimal as compared to recycling. And it is inevitable that songs in same raga will have some similarity!!
  
  Athi & others who have been harping about ARR taking credits for all successful movies, and turning philosophical for failures.... i dunt think he took all credit for any of the successful movies.. but, some movies ran solely due to ARR's music. Atleast, i saw movies like en swasa kaatre, and, sangamam only because of the songs.. so, we need to give ARR that much credit.
  
  Dil Se might have been a commercial flop. But chaiya chaiya took the country by storm. Hum SE hai muqabla was a all-time flop in hindi.. but the song muqaala muqabla reached nook and corners of india making ARR a household name in the country. How many south indian MDs can take credit for reaching vindhyas and upwards?
  
  And ARR's popularity is not because of some marketing and publicity he gets due to the big banners, names and directors. The marketing may not work if the product (music) is bad!! Marketing is only an extra element :) Lets give credit where it is due!
  
  chandy
  
  
  
  
• From: Srikanth (@ 216.32.18.74) on: Thu Nov 18 16:03:49 EST 1999
  
  Well said chandy: I support your theory.
  
  
• From: thathuvavaathi (@ 207.18.199.140) on: Thu Nov 18 16:36:23 EST 1999
  
  Chandy: Well said ! You have just summed up what exactly was in my mind. A wonderful observation.
  
  
• From: aruvi (@ cousin-it06.slip.yorku.ca) on: Thu Nov 18 17:44:34 EST 1999
  
  Regarding the comment about BGM's in the interview:
  
  "'Kandukonden, kandukondean' padathila aathikam kaiyaalaatha raagangkalai payan paduthiyirukkOm. Neengal solra aboorva raagangkalai BGM-il payanpaduthikirom."
  
  This was ARR's response. I have a feeling that he was referring to the BGM of Kandukondean Kandukondean.
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.22.147) on: Thu Nov 18 17:48:57 EST 1999
  
  Srikanth:
  
  Recheck if Shakalaka baby is in Mohanam. I feel it is not.
  
  Your observation that IR's mohanam scores are similar is highly debatable. Try comparing "ninnukori varnam", "vandhadhEy kungumam" , "ABC nee vasee" and "geetham sangeetham". They will tell you a different story.
  
  Regards
  
  MS
  
  

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