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Topic started by bb (@ 24.4.254.104) on Tue Feb 20 03:21:22 EST 2001.
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Hi! We've made a major addition to newtfmpage, and that is a big song bank. Dhool features thousands of songs for your listening pleasure. This site is a part of the newtfmpage.com - swara.com group. Together with newtfmpage, we wish to make this the best place to listen to tamil film songs online and know about tamil film music. Our collection includes old, new, famous, rare and unheard of songs. We are still fine tuning and fixing the database errors, so please bear with us. We value your feedback, and this will help us build the site better. Please post your comments below or mail to comments@newtfmpage.com.
This work was done by us (bb and RR) with MS and swara.com ravi.

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• From: Osho (@ 203.197.136.34) on: Fri Jun 25 07:41:10 EDT 2004
  
  Man, this is a terrific SOTD. Even though i heard it, when probably 20 years , it still remains fresh. A song, which i heard without knowing who composed, who sang at that time, but the tune and the lyrics will be remembered by me ever. bb, thanks for the wonderfull song.
  
  
• From: Saravanan (@ 195.229.241.181) on: Fri Jun 25 09:15:23 EDT 2004
  
  vengayam :)) Well, I did read somewhere that Devika was AVM's original choice, Jamuna stepped as Devika's 'callsheets' were full!
  
  Btw, have sent the song again. Can't understand why you were unable to proceed further.
  
  
• From: SP (@ 65.69.81.2) on: Fri Jun 25 09:40:57 EDT 2004
  
  ayyo, paattu kaekkaamalaye enakku thookkam varuthu :)
  
  
• From: T (@ 12.33.141.41) on: Fri Jun 25 09:44:54 EDT 2004
  
  The original Parent trap came in 1961 and the modern version by Disney came in 1998 starring Dennis quaid..
  
  great song bb.. 'pazhamuthircholaiyile' is another classic song from this movie..
  
  
• From: SL (@ 69.134.122.13) on: Fri Jun 25 09:49:50 EDT 2004
  
  Aaaahhaa!!! What singing by our dear mama KVM !!! Clear, fluent brighas...absolutely effortless. Sounded like Trichy Loganathan in some parts,
  
  
• From: SP (@ 65.69.81.2) on: Fri Jun 25 09:56:34 EDT 2004
  
  T: improvement is good. keep it up :-)
  
  
• From: Sathya (@ 67.85.218.179) on: Fri Jun 25 10:12:47 EDT 2004
  
  Saravanan
  Here is the link for the film version of this song
  http://www.coolgoose.com/music/song.php?id=63932
  
  vengayam is right about this pair of Jai and Jamuna. I have read a Jay interview in Bommai many years back... Jay mentions Jamuna was one of his favorite heroines during his college days befor he entered films. "Jamunavudan jOdiyaaka nadippEnnu naan kanavilum ninaiththathillai. K.Deyvamum padaththil nadikka AVM azhaiththapOthu udanadiyaaka oppuk koNdEn" The age difference definitely shows in the film.
  
  
• From: dubya (@ 210.210.48.187) on: Fri Jun 25 10:55:08 EDT 2004
  
  // Digression
  MS, it was indeed your knee jerk reaction that was most unwarranted and having read Naaz's postings, he would be the last person to bring in religious flames.It was crystal clear that he meant the aesthetic deprival in that Neon glow or it could also be akin to cinema paatu kacherry for temple festivals. Request the moral brigade to show some tolerance
  
  
• From: Saravanan (@ 213.42.2.22) on: Fri Jun 25 11:34:55 EDT 2004
  
  Sathya, good to see you post after a long time! And thanks for the link :)
  
  
• From: sriram (@ 163.181.251.9) on: Fri Jun 25 12:07:16 EDT 2004
  
  aaha. enna oru hep song. very stilishly rendered.
  
  
• From: Raj (@ 208.164.98.89) on: Fri Jun 25 12:18:49 EDT 2004
  
  bb: Nice song!
  Saravanan: Do the names Lalli and Pappi have anything to do with the Travancore sisters Lalitha,Padmini and Ragini? Or, just a coincidence?
  
  
• From: MS (@ 24.168.196.217) on: Fri Jun 25 13:06:49 EDT 2004
  
  Ada ennappa..kaasikku pOnaalum karumam tholaiyaadhungara maadhiri...
  
  Dubya (and other pseudonyms to come)..inga naan oNNum moral kodi pidichchukkittu alaiyalai swami. naanum idhE idaththula almost 6 varushama kuppai kottikkituu dhaan irukkEn. yaaru kittayum vambu saNdaikku pOna maadhiri oru reputation innum illai. vENumna pOi pazankadhaigaLai thONdi paarunga. knee-jerk reaction kodukkara aasaami naan illai. naan sonnadhu oru rikkostu. adhuvume regular a ezudhura oru aaL kitta sonnadhu. (eththanaiyO asingamaana posts/threads ellaam varuthu..adhukkelaama reply paNNikittum, request paNNikkittum irukkEn ?). enakku kalaik kaNla(aesthetic) konjam power irukkaradhaala kaNNu ezavu sariyaa theriyalai. neenga nalla paarththu sandhoshappadungayya. aaLai vidunga.
  
  isai sindhum idaththil ippOdhu vasai mattumdhaan irukkiRadhu.
  
  
• From: Da Vinci (@ 128.113.109.185) on: Fri Jun 25 14:08:37 EDT 2004
  
  I don’t have to hear this song to comment on it. (can't hear right now, though I wish to :( ) Such songs stay forever in one's memory, don't they ?
  
  It is one of the greatest love songs I have heard (“nAn malarOdu thaniyAga…” is another song that comes immediately to my mind that had a similar appeal to me). Saravanan has already noted how the lyrics are kind of unique to this song. I think there is a lively sense of romance not only in the vocals, but also in the flow of the tune and of course, the lyrics. I have seen TMS and Suseela singing together this song (in a kutchEry) and I remember how “lively” they both were (TMS could easily annoy many by his stage gimmicks, but you could also see him genuinely enjoying singing such songs).
  
  I also note that the songs that TMS sang for Jaishankar are in a lower key than most of the songs he sang of Shivaji Ganeshan and MGR. And most of the songs TMS sang in a lower key are very pleasant to hear (“chitiram pEsudhadi”, “yAr andha nilavu” kind of songs), though TMS’s voice could easily glide to any ucchasthAyi note.
  
  
• From: OISG (@ 217.165.10.99) on: Fri Jun 25 14:16:00 EDT 2004
  
  My pick would be the innvoative sivaranjani in Ënna Vegam".Themes like this with a double action by the fim lead is a sure fire hit formula anyday.(Don t recall Uravai kaatha kiLi or Nallavan:(().Jamuna-Jai pair ignited the theme for Aboorva RagangaL ,i thought!
  
  Kutti Padmini-never grew up and remains a "Kutti"till date ,i heard!:))
  
  bb,keep up the good work.Good efforts to have the spread between decades and MDs with good write ups.......Gone are the days when the forum used to be just one-MD-centric and all other MDs systematically mocked at/tarnished and their fans humiliated by partisan fanatics.TFM pafe has come a long way boss!
  
  
  
• From: kurumbu (@ 136.1.1.33) on: Fri Jun 25 14:49:40 EDT 2004
  
  OSIG,
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  Kutti Padmini-never grew up and remains a "Kutti"till date ,i heard!:))
  ...TN'la idhu sahajamppA, another e.g. "selvi'JJ:-)
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ 204.31.168.37) on: Fri Jun 25 14:58:28 EDT 2004
  
  bb,
  I'm glad you're showcasing some TMS songs in his prime for many here only have regrettable memories of his Thanglish songs from the late 70s. This is one of the songs that was so meticulously woven that the lyrics, singing, and music gell effortlessly. Another stellar effort from Vali that seems better yet when compared to his post-80s works.
  
  To all the drive-by shooters aiming at MS,
  His request to someone to be a bit more sensitive in his comments has got him pilloried now?
  I often use the expression "Goddamn it" without a thought, without any malicious intent, to express my frustration. I once said it at an airport and this lady requested politely, "Please don't take the Lord's name in vain."
  
  According to the participants of this forum, I would've been okay ridiculing the lady for being a Bible thumper with clear motives to deride my Hindu leanings, or I could've gone off on her about my constitutional right to say whatever I pleased, or really laid it down to her about how I didn't care about religion or God and that she had no right to impose her sensibilities on me.
  
  But I just responded with, "Sorry, I didn't mean it." Legally and circumstantially, I could've cornered the lady with my logic in an angry rebuttal. But courtesy dictated that I didn't have to be so cavalier with a sensitive subject in a public place.
  
  
• From: Kupps (@ 192.76.80.74) on: Fri Jun 25 15:03:51 EDT 2004
  
  i dont find any difference in the TFM page. still those days are very much alive -- but with different makeup.
  
  Even now this page is "one-MD-centric". But instead of "that" MD its now "this" MD.
  
  Even now the other MDs are "systematically mocked at/tarnished and their fans humiliated by partisan fanatics". The method of mockery differs from blatant personal abuse then, to a mixture of lesser-abuse and more of hijacking to chat forum.
  
  isai sindhum idaththil ippozhu vasai mattum alla thisai maatrum Aemaatramum kodi katti paRakkudhu.
  
  And here you go, people are not finding any fault with that.
  
  Gone are the days when the forum used to be with some strict people wanting to bring back the train run to its track. Are they retired?
  
  
• From: Kupps (@ 192.76.80.74) on: Fri Jun 25 15:06:24 EDT 2004
  
  somehow always i used to get confused betweent he songs -- yaar andha nilavu and anbuLLa maan vizhiyae(SOTD).
  
  both are very nice song very well sung by TMS (especially).
  
  
• From: Music4ever (@ 130.111.58.78) on: Fri Jun 25 15:54:54 EDT 2004
  
  Excellent song.
  
  
  
• From: Naaz (@ 24.87.30.219) on: Fri Jun 25 19:01:46 EDT 2004
  
  
  (This might be a bit of a bore, so I urge others with better things to do to skip this entirely.)
  
  Manufacturing Sacrilege:
  
  In my post regarding NI I was addressing two things. Up front was my contention that the media context preceding the film's release was so overwhelming (a veritable contest in every TFM fan's mind) that MSVs music and "status" became the focus. Following that thesis, my personal evaluation of the album was that it was one of excess, where moments of true brilliance and verve were lost in an overpowering, commercial "hip" ness. Half the songs in NI, in my view, seemed tacked-on and unnecessary. I also said that this might have been an indirect consequence of an aimless, makeitupasyougoalong plot, which had a "vacancy," - indeed a "hollow" at its narrative core.
  To highlight the "out of place, without merit, and poorly modern" nature of the excess (in the album) I used this simile: "It was MSV out of his skin, simulated and psychedelic, like a neon "vacancy" sign. Or a flourescent OM on the Vadapalani Gopuram."
  
  Why the Vadapalani Gopuram and not a church or a mosque or buddhist temple? That's a fair question.
  Primarily, because it is there and I have seen it many a time and wondered: why have they cheapened the OM so? And more importantly, because this particular temple is a stone's throw from the studios that brought us NI.
  The implication: When you are in a neighbourhood of excess, small wonder that the flashy vacuity creeps into spiritual symbols nearby!
  
  A comparison that was employed to draw attention to "commercial corruption" - in the album, as well as in the "neonised" OM, was adroitly turned around to allege that it was a statment that desecrated the piety of the OM!!
  But what would make the allegation stick? But, of course, the person who had used OM in the simile was not a Hindu - and, hence, they could only devalue the symbols of that particular religion!
  
  Show anybody with a rudimentary interpretational ability the context and the phrase I have used and they will see no SACRILEGE in it. Nobody else here has seen added-value in a "flourescent OM," either. And this is as good a sample of educated and aware "indians" as any.
  
  Alas, the controversy was a non-starter, and the motivation was only the sensing of an opportunity to settle some old scores. The true context to this allegation resides not in my NI post, but in the exchanges that went by many months ago - around the time the duet Kanna Varuvaaya was featured as SOTD. Those who want to a referesher course in fresher than ever "payback" lists might want to look it up. The truth won't shock you - it might just give you that missing piece to this current zig-sacrilege.
  
  OM was merely an opening to turn use a blunted knife yet again.
  
  Consider this: If the intention was indeed to alert all posters to communal/religious allusions in their writing - if only to urge them to be a tad more careful before such inclusions or references - would you fling that request for the greater common good, thus:
  
  "Unwarranted stmt. Please try not induct religious references for establishing either your point or flights of verbiage." ??
  
  A rude opening without any context. The abbreviated "stmt" tells us that the writer is in some sort of rush; something seems to have snapped. There is no explanation as to why my statment is unwarranted. My first thought on seeing the criticism: did they really read my whole post or just that one line? After all, context is everything. The next line has two interesting moments: A preposition goes missing (the rage persists) and the word "induct" - a verb that has deep, religious roots in the clergy - makes an appearance. Somewhat ironic, you'd think, in a post that is whacking you NOT to use sacred references in posts! And, if the motive was indeed to breed "sensitivity" and avoid "controversy" - why add "flights of verbiage" in the sign off?
  Why not end with: "not induct (sic) religious references for establishing your points in your posts."? After all, the intention was to ask everybody (or just me) to be extra-careful with sacred symbols and their literary use in their write-ups?
  Go ahead and call it creative freedom, and I'll be the last person to take issue with that right. Ah, but divinity was merely the decoy. That phrase holds more than just an idiomatic betrayal.
  
  Seriously, - after writing reams and reams in this very portal on Kandha Muruga Achchudha Kanna Krishna Kali Magamayi Letchumi (and a host of dieties who adorn the Hindu pantheon,) and reveling and rejoicing in the poetic piety of the compositions with the participants in the VJ thread... on the day of the NI festival here, I jumped out of bed, charged to my computer, suddenly all rabid to take the OM apart. That's what secular "indian" muslims like me do once in a while. How you say - OM bashing?
  
  Believe that, and I'll be sure to honk when I see you lining up to buy manufactured sacrilege.
  
  (Thanks to all those who read the NI comparison and got the point I was making, even if you disagreed with my thesis. I respect your literariness and maturity. Thanks also for the messages of support and solidarity that were sent my way through email. I hope I have done what you thought I should do.)
  
  
  
• From: MS (@ 24.168.196.217) on: Fri Jun 25 23:21:31 EDT 2004
  
  Naaz:
  
  One could miss a preposition and not the point. One could write an essay and convey nothing (as you have yourself claimed - boring). A typo or a grammo, (ooh..these are not in the 'diction'ary - OED or QED..sob sob), indicates the occasional aberration that humans are susceptible to and extending your mile-long analysis based on a missed preposition and declaring it as extra-contextual and rage-fueled, can only prove your commitment to make premature conclusions. You can happily take all my past-posts, sit and analyze every latin-greek root and claim negativity in every single letter. And I will not bother to reply.
  
  I sincerely believed (and still do) that it was a reference totally uncalled for. Trying to portray this exchange as having seeded by vengeance, sounds like a kid complaining in the utmost insecure fashion (nee annikku enniya adichEyilla.. vaa vaa vechchukkirEn..engammaatta solli koduthu..try finding something else which is reasonable dude). Your earlier discussion (or debacle ?) with 'diction' (Kanna varuvaaya times) is well archived for anybody who would want to know how 'gracious' you were in accepting what was correct.
  
  A person intact in sanity would have said in response to my stmt :
  
  "MS - I did not mean to refer to the symbols in a derogatory way. It was just a casual remark which had no further implications. Your reaction is strong and unnecessary".
  
  And I would have simply said:
  
  "Sorry Naaz. I probably mistook an innocuous remark in a cursory glance and apologies for that. I would still request not to use preferably, some religious references in your future posts to avoid such confusions".
  
  And the problem would have been solved then. In stead, you chose to ridicule baselessly about the faith and principles I adhere to as chicanery, painting a secular portrait of yourself and communally sensitive individual off me.
  
  Yes, I was indeed emphatic in the way I was conveying and I am not denying it. I am NOT an agnostic and I sincerely felt irked by such a statement. I would retort the SAME way if you or somebody else had said that NI is sore like the neon crosses on church or that MSV's singing in "jagame mandhiram shiva shambo" is like the loud namaas that pervades the ambience in the dawn. Reason ? It is a sensitive issue whether you digest it or egest it unassimilated.
  
  BTW, maturity is in being able to accept things "as they are" and not "as you perceive". If that were the case, your display in the exchanges on 'diction' are clearly antonymous. And for once, please stop dispensing advices and analyses embellished by your strident claims of linguistic superiority which reflect nothing but your circuitous way of converging into rubbish.
  
  And this "will" be my last response ever in this regard to you or anybody else.
  
  

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