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S.P Bala the greatest??????

Topic started by Jay (@ bat-50-212.tm.net.my) on Thu Mar 30 11:45:56 EST 2000.
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hi guys,

For me spb is the best bcos he is an all rounder/versatile and conquered tfm 4 a long time...But some are saying that upcoming singers like HH and UK already reached spb's stature and maybe better than him...What are your comments??? I am a fanatic fan of this great spb..so my fellow fanatics,plz e-mail me if you want to discuss more abt spb.....

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• From: Babu (@ 24.190.53.78) on: Fri Jun 8 20:31:21 EDT 2001
  
  TFM fans,
  
  IMHO, SPB is the most versatile light music singer that South India has seen. He may have his limitations with carnatic or classical forms of music but when it comes to singing for movies, he has enriched songs like nobody else.
  
  SPB does have very distinct style of singing for top actors. You can very easily tell a Rajini or a Kamal song in Tamil. My Kannada friends tell me that he modulates differently for Vishnuwardhan and one other popular star. No need to write about Telugu films where he ruled for 20 years.
  
  I saw a mention about pathos in this forum. Check out SPB's rendering for a host of Mohan songs like Maniyosai kettu ezhundhu, Vaanuyarndha solaiyile etc..he is too good. May be Rafi had more opportunities to sing soga songs because of the nature of Hindi movies that came out then.
  As for fast numbers, he is as good as anyone, if not better.
  
  SPB arguably is the greatest we have seen so far in TFM.
  
  BK
  
  
  
  
  
• From: deepa (@ 202.9.147.161) on: Fri Jun 8 23:44:16 EDT 2001
  
  spb is the unquestioned ruler and emperor of indian film music songs. there is no doubt about that.his voice is god's gift and no one on this soil can come near to him. what sivaji ganesan is to acting, spb is to singing.
  
  
• From: LV (@ 203.197.80.181) on: Sat Jun 9 00:20:32 EDT 2001
  
  dear deepa:
  
  SPB is great but Rafi definitely equals SPB in every respect.
  
  Mr Comment:
  
  Yeah - Rafi has many songs in Kannada. I'll hunt em up and give u. And Rafi sang in Marathi, Gujrathi, Bengali,Assamese,Oriya besides in Punjabi,Urdu,Hindi.
  
  Well, SPB is great, I love his voice. If Rafi would've struggled to sing Sankarabharanam, maybe the accent problem. The same that happens to SPB in Hindi!! Well lets stop this comparison. For the last several days I've been trying to SHOUT it down that there is NO sense comparing SPB nad Rafi. And my throat's gone SORE :-) !!
  
  So please stop this!!! How can one compare two great people whose domains were different, whose peak times were different. Do we compare Dr. Balamurali Krishna to Bhimsen Joshi to Placido Domingo!!! Hope not!!!
  
  
• From: e.hari (@ 138.89.108.179) on: Sat Jun 9 01:55:47 EDT 2001
  
  LV,
  >>So please stop this!!! How can one compare two great people whose domains were different, whose peak times were different. Do we compare Dr. Balamurali Krishna to Bhimsen Joshi to Placido Domingo!!! Hope not!!!
  >>
  Gosh, Suprised to see how much a person can change in spending little time in This forum. Is it the same LV, we have seen before comparing all the MDS who have scored more than one song in HFM to IR?
  :-)
  Regards
  e.hari
  
  
  
  
• From: LV (@ 203.197.80.154) on: Sat Jun 9 03:11:26 EDT 2001
  
  well dearest e-hari;
  
  (to be taken lightly pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez!!!)
  
  I always liked SPB as much as Rafi. And I did not start ANY comparsion ANYWHERE. Please see that thread again and more carefully. :-)
  
  On the contrary ( u suffer from selective amnesia do u?? :-)) YOU were the one who said RDB was giving good music for just 4 years or that Chitragupt gace just 1-2 great songs or that Hindustani music has infinitely stagnated. Did I say such a thing about Carnatic. Come on, come on, come on :-) !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
  
  
• From: LV (@ 203.197.80.154) on: Sat Jun 9 03:13:28 EDT 2001
  
  yeah,
  and what does 'more than one song mean -eh'!!!
  And what about respected sir, (ie u) comparing IR ( who composed more than .......... - u can complete this urself!!!) to the other MDs in the north.
  
  anyway, enough digression from my side!
  
  
• From: LV (@ 203.197.80.154) on: Sat Jun 9 03:13:40 EDT 2001
  
  yeah,(e-hari)
  and what does 'more than one song mean -eh'!!!
  And what about respected sir, (ie u) comparing IR ( who composed more than .......... - u can complete this urself!!!) to the other MDs in the north.
  
  anyway, enough digression from my side!
  
  
• From: Common Friend (@ 203.197.141.183) on: Sat Jun 9 10:59:02 EDT 2001
  
  Great. Thirumbavum arambichchaachaa. yenga poninganu paththen.
  e.hari :- welcome. onga rendu per sandaiyila en pozhudu pogudhu.
  
  
• From: Common Friend (@ 203.197.141.183) on: Sat Jun 9 11:07:44 EDT 2001
  
  Great. Thirumbavum arambichchaachaa. yenga poninganu paththen.
  e.hari :- welcome. onga rendu per sandaiyila en pozhudu pogudhu.
  
  
• From: Common Friend (@ 203.197.141.183) on: Sat Jun 9 11:11:16 EDT 2001
  
  Great. Thirumbavum arambichchaachaa. yenga poninganu paththen.
  e.hari :- welcome. onga rendu per sandaiyila en pozhudu pogudhu.
  
  
• From: Common Friend (@ 203.197.141.183) on: Sat Jun 9 11:23:00 EDT 2001
  
  Great. Thirumbavum arambichchaachaa. yenga poninganu paththen.
  e.hari :- welcome. onga rendu per sandaiyila en pozhudu pogudhu.
  
  
• From: Common Friend (@ 203.197.141.183) on: Sat Jun 9 11:48:01 EDT 2001
  
  Oh God. Sorry for so many postings. My link did not work properly.
  
  
• From: Common Friend (@ 203.197.141.183) on: Sat Jun 9 11:51:00 EDT 2001
  
  Oh God. Sorry for so many postings. My link did not work properly.
  
  
• From: rajaG (@ 216.63.14.254) on: Sat Jun 9 12:22:12 EDT 2001
  
  LV: You say SPB and Rafi are both pretty much equal. For the numero uno spot, I prefer SPB and you may prefer Rafi. I have no problem with that.
  
  IMF- Rafi sucked big time in his Telugu songs and his Bengali songs. I have not heard Rafi's Kannada songs but my default mode is to rate him based on his Telugu/Bengali regional fiascos rather than his HFM prowess. I have not seen 1 single post from you analyzing South Indian Music, so I have to conclude the obvious - You don't have a clue about what you are talking about (at least when it comes to South Indian Film songs). Please name 10 pathos songs by SPB in Tamil or Telugu and 10 fast numbers by SPB in Tamil/Telugu. My guess is your knowledge is pretty much restricted to what you have heard in HFM and hearsay. From your listing we can take off and analyze
  a. if your lists make any sense
  b. your claim that SPB
  Just FYI, SPB has rendered more than 30,000 songs and you should not have any problem in selecting 10 songs in any genre.
  
  
• From: rajaG (@ 216.63.14.254) on: Sat Jun 9 12:43:22 EDT 2001
  
  typo:
  
  b. your claim that SPB does not equal Rafi in pathos and fast songs.
  
  BTW, please don't try to add a measure of innocence to your posts by claimimg that all you are doing is some "intellectual analysis". Weren't you the person who also tried to stirr the hornet's nest by claiming Urdu is sweeter than Thamizh. What is next? Raitha is better than Thayir pachchadi OR Tandoori Chicken is better than Karuvaattu koLambu.:-)
  
  
• From: Common Friend (@ 203.197.141.183) on: Sat Jun 9 12:44:26 EDT 2001
  
  SPB has crossed even 40,000 songs. This 30,000 business, I heard it in a TV program some 5 to 6 years before. Imgine, would he have had that many days in his singing life.? I mean, the number of days that has passed since, he first sang a film song to this very day, would be less than that 40,000 number, which effectively means that he has sung more than 1 song per day since he first started singing. This just my humble analysis.
  Anyway, SPB is way above anybody in the past, present and in the near future.
  
  
• From: Common Friend (@ 203.197.141.183) on: Sat Jun 9 12:52:04 EDT 2001
  
  SPB has crossed even 40,000 songs. This 30,000 business, I heard it in a TV program some 5 to 6 years before. Imgine, would he have had that many days in his singing life.? I mean, the number of days that has passed since, he first sang a film song to this very day, would be less than that 40,000 number, which effectively means that he has sung more than 1 song per day since he first started singing. This just my humble analysis.
  Anyway, SPB is way above anybody in the past, present and in the near future.
  
  
• From: Common Friend (@ 203.197.141.183) on: Sat Jun 9 12:59:41 EDT 2001
  
  Oh god again. This problem is killing me.
  
  ADMIN:
  
  Please, remove my extra postings .
  
  
• From: comment (@ 65.9.136.158) on: Sat Jun 9 13:17:59 EDT 2001
  
  common friend,
  i think golden words "can be" repeated ...:)
  
  
  Indian Music fan and LV, till date you have not sort to any technical or anlytical reasoning for rafi being better than spb.
  you gave some wonderful points like number of people visiting rafi' funeral or rafi is called as shabab etc etc,
  
  You have given only passionate feelings you have for rafi. so if you have a sore throat...try halls or try pepper with milk, rafi used and spb is still using it to clear his throat.
  
  read this again again and again,
  
  Rafi cannot sing all spb's song . spb can sing any rafi's song, he has proved it lots of time on stage and another known fact Kishore Kumar is more versatile than Rafi , when KK came in rafi was sidelined, because directors got a better alternative and varity. There are songs that are branded rafi's he can sing only those kind of songs. He has technical restrictions, one good example is "brigas", spb is superior. (If you know what brigas are)
  
  , let us discuss some musical aspects rather than repeating the same point rafi is better then spb or pachadi is better than raitha.
  thangalada sami.
  
  rafi was great singer and a legened as far as hindi film music is concerned, thats all.
  
  
• From: Common Friend (@ 203.197.141.183) on: Sat Jun 9 13:24:46 EDT 2001
  
  I some how feel that SPB and KK are alike. This is because, KK and SPB are are more versetile in their voice modulation and I find something new in their voice in every song. This is just MHO.
  
  
• From: IMF (@ 204.50.249.133) on: Sat Jun 9 18:00:20 EDT 2001
  
  Comment, let's analyze your statements:
  
  >>>>Rafi cannot sing all spb's song . spb can sing any rafi's song
  
  Are you out of your mind. SPB or let alone any singer cannot even sing half the songs rafi sang. Can spb sing all those high-pitch songs rafi did. Rafi could sing any type of song that came his way and some of the most challenging songs that came rafi’s way, no one could even attempt. Please go study the two singers first before mentioning anything.
  
  >>>>>Kishore Kumar is more versatile than Rafi, , when KK came in rafi was sidelined, because directors got a better alternative and varity.
  
  Please don’t start this again. Can KK sing a ghazal or a bhagan, qawalli, emotional songs etc. If KK was so versatile as YOU claim he was, then how come not that many MD’s chose him to sing those kinds of songs. Even his favourite RDB didn’t go to him for any type of those songs and he went to Rafi for it. And rafi was never sidelined by KK. When KK came into the fore, he clicked with Rajesh Khanna and RDB and therefore MD’s started using him and actors wanted him to sing for them. Rafi was still in the picture and market leaders such as LP, SJ as well as a host of other MD’s including RDB himself and Usha Khanna, KA, RR etc were using him. Then he put on a ferocious show in the late seventies which KK could not even compete with. Examples
  
  Early seventies :
  Tum Haseen Mein Jawan
  Caravan
  Andaz
  Loafer
  Aan Milo Sajna
  Yaadon ki baarat
  Mera Gaon Mera Desh
  Suhana Safar
  Aap ayee bahar ayee
  Anjanna
  Abhimaan
  
  
  Middle to late seventies:
  Hawas
  Amar Akbar Anthony
  Sargam
  Dharam-Veer
  Badaltey Rishtey
  Chacha Bhatuja
  Karz
  Laila Majnu
  Hum Kisi Se Kum Nahin
  Juddai
  
  ..........the list goes on and on.
  
  There are a host of other movies which I can mention if you want me too. All this nonsense of KK sidelining rafi is all media hype and BS and the facts are right there infront of your eyes to prove it wrong. Please think before you write such useless satements.
  
  >>>>>There are songs that are branded rafi's he can sing only those kind of songs. He has technical restrictions, one good example is "brigas", spb is superior. (If you know what brigas are)
  
  Yes you are right, he can only sing those songs and no one else can sing them because they are too difficult to sing. For ex. Look at the t.v shows today as people try to sing rafi songs. They are hopeless. They can’t sing and the current crop of singers including spb can’t sing those songs either. It requires a high pitch as well as voice training and other necessities that rafi had and some singers don’t have. I do not mean to say spb is bad in any way here so don’t take me the wrong way. All I’m just saying is that rafi songs are impossible to sing the way he sang them. Also, he did not have any technical restrictions as you pointed out. How could he have had restrictions if MD’s gave him all kinds of songs to sing. Is it their blindness or is it your lack of knowledge. KK on the other hand had his restrictions. Examples:
  
  -unable to sing at high pitches (was mostly shouting and trying too hard when he tried)
  -unable to sooth his voice down when singing romantic songs
  -If he had to start a song which required an entrance, he would always come in with his loud, screeching voice.
  
  there are many other restrictions of KK, so please don't be foolish to compare the two. You are only fooling yourself and others on this page.
  Rafi has a good "briga" which is as good as SPB's and don't be silly in saying such statements.
  
  RajaG: I do not know a lot of South Indian Music as i know HFM, but i know enough to make a good judgement. When someone said that spb is superior to anyone in singing fast/pop or rock'n roll or pathos songs i made him aware that rafi was equally good. If someone makes baseless statements then all i am trying to do is correct them and make them aware of such statements. I have heard SPB's fast songs and pop songs and pathos songs many times but IMO rafi is better when it comes to these songs. Let's leave it at that. Everyone has their own opinion. I would not have given my opinion had i not heard spb's songs. Also, the topics that i start is just because i want your opinion on them. That's what this forum is all about right ?. Can't i find out what you like and what you dislike just for feedback and as well as for discussion ?. That's all. Nothing to start arguments or to stir up anger.
  
  
• From: sabesan (@ 64.163.213.126) on: Sat Jun 9 23:24:26 EDT 2001
  
  ada paavingallaa.... glorify the person whom u like..... but why do u want to do that by bringing some other down ????
  
  

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