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S.P Bala the greatest??????

Topic started by Jay (@ bat-50-212.tm.net.my) on Thu Mar 30 11:45:56 EST 2000.
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hi guys,

For me spb is the best bcos he is an all rounder/versatile and conquered tfm 4 a long time...But some are saying that upcoming singers like HH and UK already reached spb's stature and maybe better than him...What are your comments??? I am a fanatic fan of this great spb..so my fellow fanatics,plz e-mail me if you want to discuss more abt spb.....

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• From: Kupps (@ 156.153.255.134) on: Thu Jun 7 01:18:48 EDT 2001
  
  LV,
  
  if im not wrong SPB, even now is not classically trained.
  
  
  
• From: rajaG (@ 208.24.179.129) on: Thu Jun 7 12:30:53 EDT 2001
  
  LV: I feel like I have to give a free "understanding composition in English" lesson here to some of the participants, before I make my points. Here is my attempt to simply lay down my points. If you still (even after reading this post) continue to argue, I can only blame myself (and slap my fingers if I come back to this page)
  
  1. I have never said Rafi is better, equal, or worse than KK. If you want my personal opinion I have enjoyed more number of songs by Rafi than Kishor. However, it is absolutely true that KK was the singer of choice once the Aradhana phenomenon struck. I was there when it happened and your hearsay (since I know that you were not born then:-)) is totally wrong.
  
  2. The qawwaali you talk about in Burning Train is only for the Trivia Buffs. That movie was a paadavadhi and the song is less known. (Incidentally, in both the BT and HKKN qawwaalis Asha has better sangadhis than Rafi...but that is another chapter that we will not touch here). A similar example would be sadhkE heer tujpE, by Rafi....from Mera Naam Joker ( a wonderful number) among the ordinary, banal, soemtimes painful Mukesh’s other hits. Just because you and I think that a) Rafi’s number in MNJ was par excellence and b) Mukesh is the worst singer before Udit and Suckwinder, doesn’t deny the fact that JaanE kahaan and Jeena yahaan were better “hits” than the pretty much unknown “sadhkE heer”
  
  3. For SPB, you came up with Sankarabharanam. When you mention Rafi you talk about Oh Duniya ke Rakhwale, yE duniya yE mehfil, madhubn mE raadhikaa, naachE man mOraa, jaag dil-e-diwanaa, saaz hO tum aawaaz, pukaarthaa chalaa hoon mei,.................probably in the 9785th spot one should mention kyaa huaa thEraa vaadhaa. My point - do NOT quote a song which has nothing special to make a point.
  
  4. You have your facts totally wrong. thum bin jaaoon kahaan was a massive hit especially for the trade mark yodelling by KK and it was a precursor to all future KK's hits for Rajesh, Amitabh, etc..to follow. Strangely, KK’s version was for a vagabond and Rafi’s for Shashi Kapoor. It is absolutely true that with the emergence of KK the general industry vocal standards were drawn towards simplicity.
  5. This is NOT about who was technically better. The reality is Rafi dominated the HFM in the period prior to Aradhana. Post Aradhana KK dominated (albeit unfairly or undeservingly). Your opinion on KK’s voice sounds very biased. He may not have all the tools and tricks, but in sheer “male voice” he stood alone. I am NOT even going to argue with you on this. Take it or leave it.
  6. Regarding Suman and Rafi in ajahu na aayE......our opinions are so diametrically opposite that there is NO point continuing.
  
  
  
  
  
• From: rajaG (@ 208.24.179.211) on: Thu Jun 7 18:13:37 EDT 2001
  
  LV: I know that many of the points addressed by me were not posted by you originally. But your tone suggested that you were justifying the posts by you, Shruthi and IMF collectively. If my understanding (in such a generalization) is incorrect, please choose to ignore the portions of my post that don't apply to your views. I may have chosen to disagree with your opinions, but I never questioned your entitlemnt for the same. As to other illogical posters, there are plenty representing every point of view:-)
  
  
• From: LV (@ 203.199.130.48) on: Thu Jun 7 22:41:28 EDT 2001
  
  respected rajaG:
  
  I just cannot understand HOW a knowledgeable person like u says that Suman outshone Rafi in 'ajhuna aaye balama'. Come on - u see I've had the good fortune of meeting Suman. She's a great singer and a great person - I adore her and have nothing against her.
  
  However in this song and also in the duets with Rafi in Ghazal and Jahanara, Rafi has easily outshone her. In the song 'Ajhuna aaye balama', Suman was not given the part like 'yaar haseen gale lag jaaye' at all. In fact, her voice falters a bit in the last taan in the word 'jaaye'. (before Rafi kicks in a powerful 'yaar haseen gale lag jaaye' with a stressful 'yaar' and a fluent 'gale' the 'e' part!!! Lata could have definitely done this better, anyway lets leave that.)
  Come on Sir - you beat me sometimes!!!!
  
  
  Another thing - i will NEVER support the trash Mr IMF said about Carnatic and about SPB. And I never did though i stirred up quite a hornet's nest on this page!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  
  Yes - I see ur intention in saying something like 'Rafi and Kishore are equals'. Is it so? You did not say this directly, but I know thats your intention?????? (if it is know ,please IGNORE WHAT FOLLOWS).
  Now u say that versatility is factor#1 to test the greatness of an artist ( and thats why u say that IR is INFINITELY greater than the other MDs I mentioned). Now it is obvious that Rafi is far (atleast 1000000000000000000000000000000000000 times) more versatile than Kishore. How do u put them in the same league????????????????????????
  
  
  Now about Kishore dominating HFM in the 70s - thats when the trash in HFM started seeping in. Honestly. U still have not answered why Jaidev preferred Hariharan,Suresh Wadkar and KJY for his ghazals and semiclassicals.And even RDB never gave KK a semiclassical - it was Bhupi and SW and Rafi (thats why I spoke of the qawwalis - forget the 'hit' part of the song. Look at the quality - sir - come on - the quality of the song.)
  
  And yes I'll hunt out that article and e-mail u the link. Again I am gulity of discussin TOO MUCH HFM here. So may we please continue on e-mail ( looks like there's gonna be another issue to agree to disagree upon :-) )
  
  Yeah and as far as the SHEER MALE VOICE part of it - thats the statement of a typical KK fan (to be taken lightly please). Are Shammi Kapoor, Dilip Kumar and esp. DHARMENDRA less manly. Looks like we are going to have a discussion on masculinity very soon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  
  
  
• From: IMF (@ 206.47.240.86) on: Fri Jun 8 13:33:06 EDT 2001
  
  To lv,
  
  I did not say anything bad about SPB or Carnatic music. What are you talking about ??. I only said what i heard from various other sources that Carnatic is more vocal and Hindustani is more instrumental. I know myself that both systems are equally vocal and equally instrumental in their respective ways. I also NEVER said anything bad about SPB. I never said he wasn't a legend or he wasn't a good singer, i just simply stated my opinion that i feel rafi is better. I like them both and they are both good singers but i like rafi more. what's bad about that. This page is about expressing one's own opinions. I wasn't expecting this from a person like you !!!. It's not as if i insulted any system or any singer. If anyone expresses their opinions on this page which some people can't take then they blast the guy for saying it. What is that ?????
  
  
• From: comment (@ 12.5.10.153) on: Fri Jun 8 14:08:30 EDT 2001
  
  Carnatic is more vocal and Hindustani is more instrumental ...what do you mean by this...
  
  what i know is hindustani gives more emphasis on rag alap, raga is the key for the entire song , lyrics might be just few lines.. where us carnatic krithi is very important.
  
  Rafi might be better for you, but tell me has he sung one song in south indian languages? basically to compare 2 person they have to be on the same platform, they are 2 singers from different era of music,
  
  I asked you long time ago, Can Rafi sing "shankara" , if at all he sings i am sure, it will be too soft. Rafis voice will not add weight (physically too:) and the flow...
  
  Secondly you have never said spb is bad, but you have said "rafi is nowhere near spb", which is not accepted.
  
  
• From: IMF (@ 204.50.249.133) on: Fri Jun 8 16:57:41 EDT 2001
  
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  For your information, Rafi has sung many songs in south indian languages. He didn't only sing in hindi/urdu. SPB did have his best times later which was in the late seventies throughout the eighties, but the two experienced the same eras from the late sixties to throughout the seventies. I also never said "rafi is nowhere near SPB". I think you mean to say it the other way around. I never said this statement as an overall statement of who is the better singer. What i said was that SPB, IMO is not close to rafi when it comes to certain things such as voice, style. I like SPB the best after rafi because he too is a legend. And you are right, i never said anything bad about SPB. Why would I ???. Secondly, this information site covering both systems of music as well as other resources mentioned that Carnatic is more vocal and Hindustani is more instrumental. As i said earlier, i myself know both are equally instrumental and vocal and i just wanted to find out what you guys thought about this saying, that's all. It was not my opinion and I didn't mean to start any arguments !
  
  
• From: comment (@ 65.9.136.158) on: Fri Jun 8 19:53:10 EDT 2001
  
  indian music fan...
  you have told spb is nowhere near ravi
  please read this, count if you can,
  http://newtfmpage.com/forum/12271.8653.14.28.05.html
  
  rafi in south indian languages?, can you tell me some songs, seriously i want to hear them, I have not heard it till date.
  
  
• From: IMF (@ 204.50.249.133) on: Fri Jun 8 20:09:11 EDT 2001
  
  I said spb is nowhere near rafi in the following categories :
  
  a)changing his style for the character
  b)for pathos i said it is baseless to compare anyone to rafi.
  c)i said that rafi is better than spb in fast-paced, rock or pop numbers.
  
  As i said in my earlier post, i never did say on the whole that rafi is better than spb. All i said was in these categories it is useless to compare the two. I also like spb and i never compared them both on the whole taking all categories at once and making a judgement.
  
  If you want to hear south-indian language songs, go to one of the south indian movie pages and go to the old songs section. I don't have any current links with me, but my friend has a copy of some rafi songs in tamil. You can always ask a person who has an old collection of rafi songs in south indian languages.
  
  
  
• From: Swamiji (@ 198.102.112.201) on: Fri Jun 8 20:18:39 EDT 2001
  
  Rafi songs in tamil is news. Please enlighten us...
  
  

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