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Topic started by TFM Group on Tue Jan 27 15:47:28 EST 1998.
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• From: RR (@ uc.cache.nlanr.net) on: Fri Dec 4 03:22:40 EST 1998
  
  Kanchana,
  I take it as the slip of fingers :-))
  'thEsulaavuthe' is from Manaalane mangayin baagyam. Yes, a classicaly demanding song. PS has done a nice job with the 'brigas'.
  
  
• From: Kanchana (@ spider-tj062.proxy.aol.com) on: Fri Dec 4 09:08:44 EST 1998
  
  RR,thank you for the correction :-)
  
  
• From: Manisekaran (@ bat-49-47.tm.net.my) on: Fri Dec 4 10:18:21 EST 1998
  
  Karthi
  Sollathaan Ninaikkiren Mudiyavillai is from the film Engal Selvi.
  
  
• From: Shanmugam Murugappan (@ 208.236.83.16) on: Fri Dec 4 14:16:51 EST 1998
  
  Karthi,
  
  Good to know that you are an ardent fan of P.S. I am sure you will like the following songs.
  
  "muthukkalo kangal... thithippatho kannam...
  sandhitha velayil sindhikkavae illai
  thandhuvittaen ennai
  
  paditha paadam enna... un kangal paarkum paarvai enna...
  medai moodiya jaadhip pookkalai sooda thudippadhenna"
  
  The above song is from "Nenjirukkum varai" (Dir : Sridhar), MD : MSV-Ramamurthy, Lyrics : (Who else?) Kannadasan, *ng : "Shivaji" Ganesan, Muthuraman, K.R.Vijaya.
  
  How did you forget?
  
  "malarndhum malaraadha paadhi malar pola
  malarndha ilam thendralae...
  thenpodhigai malar thondri madurai nagar kandu
  valarndha vizhi annamae...
  nadhiyil villayaadi kodiyil thalaiseevi..."
  
  The above song is from the famous film "Paasa Malar".
  
  PS was called the "Lata Mangeshkar of South". Although, both PS and LM were equally talented, it is very infortunate, that PS did not get the same fame as LM. What do you people say?
  
  
• From: karthi (@ g179.grainger.uiuc.edu) on: Fri Dec 4 20:53:27 EST 1998
  
  Hi Shan,
  
  The reason PS did not become as famous as Lata is that the reach of Tamil is very less compared to Hindi.
  
  Look at it this way. There cannot be a person who speaks or knows Hindi and who does not know Lata. In the same way, there cannot be a person who speaks or knows Tamil and who does not know PS. I think this way life is equally fair with both of them.
  
  I somehow feel even Lata's fans will turn to PS when they hear her. What do you say?
  
  I have heard both of them. I like Lata too. Each of them is great with their individualistic style of singing. But when it comes to melody PS will be the only person to possess it and for ever!
  
  Hi Sachu,
  
  I think 'Pazhagum Thamizhe' will be one of the best duets of the century. It has it all. Melody, expression and completeness.
  
  
  
• From: karthi (@ g179.grainger.uiuc.edu) on: Fri Dec 4 20:54:05 EST 1998
  
  Thank you Manisekaran!
  
  
• From: Ragapriyan (@ 202.54.37.18) on: Fri Dec 4 22:45:00 EST 1998
  
  Kanchana:
  
  I seem to have forgotten the other song in PK..
  
  nallaa njaabagap paduththi paarunga! you will remember
  this beautiful song by AMR and PS starting in
  very low pitch and then later climbing nicely
  to high pitch.
  
  idhaya vaanin udhaya nilavE
  engE pOgiRaay, nee engE pOgiRaay
  
  etc. Both these songs from PK are original beauties by
  Veda.
  
  
• From: raja (@ spider-we034.proxy.aol.com) on: Sat Dec 5 09:18:56 EST 1998
  
  Shanmugam:
  
  MSV was the MD for Nenjirukkum Varai - by then had split with TKR.
  
  
• From: Manisekaran (@ 202.188.1.83) on: Sat Dec 5 11:37:43 EST 1998
  
  Some comments
  
  1. LATA OF THE SOUTH
  P.Suseela was much later called the Lata of the South. It was Jikki who first became the Lata of the South. It began with the Tamil version of the AAGH song ie "Kalyana Oorvalam Varum - ullasamey tharum magizhnthu naan vaazhnthiduven". Jikki was able to sing so well-rivalling the golden voice of Lata that jealousy was stirred. It was whispered that Jikki should not be given any chance in the north.(of course in our own time Vani Jayaram was subjected to this same fate. She became about the only singer to have sung to the tune of all the northern MDs)
  
  2. MUTHUKALO KANGAL
  Sridar had always been known as a controversial director. While directing the film Nenjirukkum Varai he wanted to detract from the usual cine tradition of portraying the hero and the heroine as the charming characters. He made Sivaji and KR Vijaya appear in theri natural form with no make up. You could see Sivaji sweating in the scene. The scene became a success by excellent camerawork setting and lighting. As a matter of fact before Sridar, directors concnetrated on direction alone. But from Kalyana Parisu the trend changed. Sridar brought camera, lighting, dialogue, screenplay and direction under his control. He was a trend setter.
  
  3. MALARNTHU MALARATHA
  Sivaji Ganesan and Kannadasan were not in talking terms after the competition from Veerapandian Kattabomman and Sivagangai Seemai. But in stages Kannadasan started to write songs for Sivaji movies especially films under the direction of Bhim Singh. When Bagapirivinai was released the audience applauded the moment the name of Kannadasan appeared on the screen-as song writer. It was initially thought that the films of Sivagi Ganesan under Bhimn Singh's direction such as Bagapirivinai, Pasa Malar, Pava Mannippu, Pandapasam, Par Magale Paar, Paalum Pazhamum, Paarthal Pasi Theerum etc became hit mainly on the strength of Sivagi's masterly acting. It was pointed out that Kannadasan's songs alos had a great role in the success of these songs. Under the persuasion of some of Sivaji's friends, he threw a party in appreciation of Kannadasan's contribution. The song that was particularly pointed out by Sivaji was this "Malarnthu Malaratha Pathi Malar Pole".
  This song had been lifted from his earlier version.
  There is also a "private story" about this song. Anyone interested could email me because Sollathan Ninaikkiren Mudyavillai.
  
  Vanakkam
  
  
• From: Shanmugam Murugappan (@ 208.236.83.16) on: Mon Dec 7 20:39:54 EST 1998
  
  Manisekaran,
  
  Thanks for all your information.
  
  Will like to know more about the "Malarnthum malaraadha..." song? Will email you to get the details.
  
  
• From: Shanmugam Murugappan (@ 208.236.83.16) on: Mon Dec 7 20:46:24 EST 1998
  
  Karthi,
  
  IMO, PS was better than all her counterparts, be it TFM or HFM. Her voice had melody and expression. Her voice compensated for the inability of certain actresses expressions in the song sequences.
  
  I agree to your point that even Lata fans will turn to PS fans if they hear her. So sweet is her voice. I feel the following is a great combination when it comes to Film Music, be it Tamil or Hindi
  
  MSV - TKR : Music
  TMS - PS : Playback
  Kannadasan : Lyrics
  'Sivaji' Ganesan : Actor
  Savithri : Actress
  Bhimsingh : Director
  
  Can you mention any film song with the above combination?
  
  A similar team for the mid-generation
  
  IR - Music
  SPB, SJ - Playback
  VM - Lyrics
  Kamalhassan - Actor
  Revathi - Actress
  
  Can you mention any film song with the above combination also?
  
  
• From: Shanmugam Murugappan (@ 208.236.83.16) on: Mon Dec 7 20:48:20 EST 1998
  
  Hi,
  
  Can you give me any combination like the above for the current generation? I am not able to make one.
  
  
• From: sachu (@ 205.177.170.63) on: Mon Dec 7 22:06:40 EST 1998
  
  hi shanmugam
  yeppadi patta yellam oru line kooda marakkaama vachirukkeenga? neenga yezhudinadha padichu paadi paarthona thirupthi aa chu.
  hi manisekaran
  yenna porutha varaikkum latavum psum different in their own way. latavukku hindi suit aachu. psukku tamil suit aachu. aana, thamizhla ps-sa yaarum iduvarayilum mundalai. yevvalo mEla paadinaalum, kural keechidathu. sweetaaga irukkum.
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ 205.218.142.217) on: Tue Dec 8 12:58:41 EST 1998
  
  Manisegaran, that was a great write up on the three Kannadhaasan tunes. I enjoyed it thanks.
  Shanmugam Murugappan, The closest I can get are couple of songs from Punnagai Mannan for the current generation:
  -enna saththam indha neram
  -singalaththu chinnak kuyilae
  
  
• From: Shanmugam Murugappan (@ 208.236.83.16) on: Tue Dec 8 16:45:29 EST 1998
  
  Hi Sachu,
  
  Pazhaya paadal varigala oru thadavai kaettal kooda namma ninaiva vittu marakkaadhu. So good and enterprising are the lyrics. Anyway, thanks for the compliment.
  
  BTB, are you a singer?
  
  How about the following songs :
  
  "ponnai virumbum boomiyilae
  ennai virumbum oruyirae
  pudhayal thedi... alayum ulagil
  idhayam thedum ennuyirae"
  
  The above song is from the film "Aalaya mani".
  
  "Madi meedhu thalai vaithu
  vidiyum varai thoonguvom
  maru naal ezhundhu paarpom"
  
  The above song is from the film "Annai illam".
  
  "Kan pona pokkilae kaal pogalaamaa
  kaal pona pokkilae manam pogalamaa
  manam pona pokkilae manidhan pogalaamaa
  manidhan pona paadhayai marandhu pogalaamaa"
  
  The above song is from a MGR film. Simple words and great meaning. What do you think?
  
  
• From: Kanchana (@ spider-we022.proxy.aol.com) on: Tue Dec 8 18:34:18 EST 1998
  
  Shanmugam, I think "kaN pOna pOkkilE" is from paNakkArak kudumbam starring MGR, KRVijaya and Sowcar Janaki. [correct me if I'm wrong.]
  
  Yes, the lyrics in all these songs are excellent.
  
  
• From: raja (@ spider-wb061.proxy.aol.com) on: Tue Dec 8 19:07:25 EST 1998
  
  When listening to Mannika Vendugiren from Iru Malargal (just many of MSV's early hits), there is a romantic feel especially when PS sings Ennai Sindikka Vendugiren ( great background) which is missing (IMO) from current film music - another examples:
  
  Alangaram Kalaiyaadha Silai Ondru Kanden from Rojavin Raja, Oonjalukku Poochooti - from Avan Thaan manidhan - any more ???
  
  
• From: Rajaraman/RR (@ pb.cache.nlanr.net) on: Tue Dec 8 21:24:41 EST 1998
  
  Kanchana,
  "kan pona pokkile" is from Panam padaithavan.
  
  
• From: karthi (@ g184.grainger.uiuc.edu) on: Tue Dec 8 21:42:47 EST 1998
  
  Hi Raja, Sachu, Shan, Mani and Udhaya!
  
  karthi here. i have again greatly relished reading this page.
  
  Raja,
  
  'Alangaaram kalaiyaadha' is a lovely song. Especially the lines by PS in the beginning...
  '...aanandha.....poochooda kanden...iya un mugam paartha oru naalile...'.
  
  Sachu,
  
  I love old songs' lyrics and I know by heart almost almost all of PS songs old or new. But not the latest ones.
  
  You can always post to me here if you need any of those.
  
  Shan,
  
  here's for your combination:
  
  1. Paasa Malar, Paava Mannippu, Paarthal Pasi Theerum.
  
  2. I can't think of any but one: Thevar Magan. But it wasn't a musical hit in the real sense. If there was a musical hit pairing kamal, revathi with music by IR then it's Punnagai Mannan. But then it had not have Janaki but Chitra.
  
  3. For the latest I think it could be Shankar or Mani Ratnam, A R Rehman, Hariharan Or Unni Krishnan, Chitra. Lyrics? Sorry! Films: Iruvar, Jeans, Minsaara Kanavu. (But there isn't one with the complete combination.)
  
  ManiSekaran,
  
  Yeah. I was aware of Jikki saying the same as what you had said that she was called the Lata of South in one of her TV interviews.
  
  Bye folks.
  
  

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