Home   Forum   Wiki   Notes   Register   FAQ   Sitemap   About Us   Contact Us  

Ever since ARR entered into the cine field; 2 bad things have happenned

Topic started by naga (@ 209.47.143.226) on Mon Mar 18 15:22:53 EST 2002.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

Even since ARR entered into the cine field in 1992 (Was Roja released in 1991 or 92?), 2 worse things have happenned:

1.He was the one who introduced the use of drum machine (samplers) just to be different from IR and other MDs at that time. He wanted to be different to stay in the field and so created songs with a heave influence of western instruments. Being a 'sound engineer' he managed to be successful and now everybody is following him and calling it the 'trend'. He replaced the 'beauty of orchestration' with this new tread.. No catchy tunes, not so great melodies but just rythm... that's the secret of success...and he knew that. Our youngsters fell for it bcos it was different for them. All of us know that majority of young boys and girls listen to western music just for the rythm and for the quality of sound. They can't even understand the meaning of song and of course they don't need to... infact most of the engilsh songs have no lyrical value... That's exactly what ARR wanted to do... why listen to english beats when I can reproduce the same in tamil movies ???! Right...and that's what he did.. very clever and for this he didn't need to have carnatic music knowledge.. He started violating all the ragas, mixing and matching.. did everything.. (ennavae adi ennavale - a good example of killing 'kedharam' -- funny thing is that unni krishnan got national award for that song)...

It's 10 years now and ARR is still in the industry..charging crores of rupees for each movie, made 100 times the money that IR, MSV have made in their career with genuine music...

Where are we going with this 'tread'...... all songs sound the same...Any song can fit into any movie and for any situation...

2. And the second worst thing that has happened is 'tamizh kolai'. After ARR, now anybody can sing.. no need to know the language. Just sing and ARR will adjust it while recording.. what a shame to 'tamizh mozhi'. ARR is the one who started it. Can anyone deny that? Before that singers had some respect. Just listen to SPB, N.Vasudevan, TMS for their 'tamizh ucharippu'. No wonder why MSV and IR kept on giving using them..

Well I do appreaciate that ARR introduced a lot of new singers but how many can speak 'tamizh'. Can ARR justify what he has done to TFM ?

MSV, KVM and IR composed music for the song. ARR composes song for the music and that's the difference. And that's why we can't listen to any new songs after few months... one bad song will replace another bad song..

If this trend goes for another few more years... 'tamizh mozhi' will find a place in the history...

These are some of the 'tamil kolai seidha padalgal'...

chikku bukky raile.. (ARR)
andha arabi kadaloram (ARR)
poovukku porandha nalu (praveen mani) -- only God can help
all songs in parthale paravasam (ARR)

and a lot more... I don't remember them all..
Can anyone add such songs here??

please note that I do like ARR for many good reasons but I cannot forgive him for the above two bad things he did, knowingly or unknowingly to the TFM...

---

Responses:

• Old responses
  
• From: Naaz (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Fri Mar 22 11:35:09 EST 2002
  
  I wonder why the singers who sing Tamizh songs in Tamizh films sound like Sri Lankan, Singaporean, Malaysian Tamizhs - right down to their inflections and accents....I am sure, you, ROFTL, can explain that to me? (Moron am I :-))
  
  
• From: ROTFL (@ 210.186.60.166) on: Fri Mar 22 11:48:28 EST 2002
  
  Ayyo kadavule Naaz!
  
  Malaysia Vasudevan is a Malaysian. A couple of other Malaysians/Singaporeans in TF industry are Sarath Kumar, Ravichandran (old actor) and Ranjani (of Muthal Mariyathai).
  
  You are being influenced by the "accent" in the Tamil spoken by "Malaysian Tamils" in Tamil movies! That is a make-believe, Naaz, and not the real thing!
  
  As for Sri Lankan Tamils, they migrated centuries ago, and have therefore developed a distinct accent. There you have it. No need to do a research.
  
  Naaz, since I now know that you had no malice in your statement and that it was made out of sheer ignorance, I don't wish to take this any further. If you want to discuss this further, please take it to the Forum Hub.
  
  Ennai vidunga. :)
  
  
• From: Naaz (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Fri Mar 22 11:52:26 EST 2002
  
  Thanks, ROFTL. Your grasp of immigration, language and history overwhelms me. You are lovely closed mind.
  
  Good luck, mate.
  
  
• From: senthil (@ 136.148.1.94) on: Fri Mar 22 12:33:13 EST 2002
  
  yes naga i accept to ur points of what had happened to tthe TFI.
  
  
• From: Pradeep (@ 203.199.12.50) on: Thu Mar 28 04:04:55 EST 2002
  
  It's completely idiotic.....if not for ARR, tamil film music would have been in the dumps..........Where will this sender rate the songs such as " Maarugo Maarugo" and "Goranga Sriranga Kopparathenga" ?
  
  
  
• From: Pradeep (@ 203.199.12.50) on: Thu Mar 28 04:05:02 EST 2002
  
  It's completely idiotic.....if not for ARR, tamil film music would have been in the dumps..........Where will this sender rate the songs such as " Maarugo Maarugo" and "Goranga Sriranga Kopparathenga" ?
  
  
  
• From: rajaG (@ 207.43.195.201) on: Thu Mar 28 10:09:38 EST 2002
  
  ROTFL thaan NOV Oda pudhu avathaaramO nnu oru sandhEgam!!! :-)
  
  
  
• From: Kaushik (@ 203.200.5.108) on: Thu Mar 28 14:40:20 EST 2002
  
  I have just 1 question. Who introduced Lata Mangeshkar and Asha Bhonsle to Tamil Cinema?
  naga, can u answer that?
  
  
• From: Karthik (@ 129.188.33.225) on: Thu Mar 28 15:24:46 EST 2002
  
  raja sir, NOV mela enna kobamo?
  
  
• From: rajaG (@ 208.24.179.211) on: Thu Mar 28 15:27:50 EST 2002
  
  OK! my turn to apologise........to NOV :-)
  
  naga: If you want authentic kEdhaaram, why don't you go to the Music Academy or Krishna Gana Sabha. Subbudu is a dumb-ass who doesn't know anything about light music, but still has to offer his 2 cents on the subject. Ghazals and Film music - two refer to atleast 2 genres of music - are distinct from Classical music. So please do not expect the rigidity of CM in these two forms. If a composition has it - well and good. If it does not - live with it (specially don't try to spoil it for others with your expectations). BTW, there are examples of other MDs (including IR) who have travelled beyond a particular raagam in many songs. I would almost argue that therein lies their creativity or contribution.
  
  naga! please do this for self-discipline. Try to identify all the positives which ARR has brought to film music. If you can come up with any list them and revel in them. If you can't you are looking only for negatives - you may be a fan of a person, but not of music.
  
  
• From: vaal_payyan (@ 169.144.118.138) on: Thu Mar 28 15:50:59 EST 2002
  
  i see most of the discussions are about tamil music trends (western influence Vs authentic indian) and vocal aspects (lyrics, accents, etc).
  nobody seems to give importance to music instruments as such. just curious what everyone thinks about the sythesized/engineered music of the present days. eventhough they sound pleasant (like they do in ARR songs) sometimes its hard to tell an instrument from the other. i cant digest the fact it all comes from an electronic box. i agree ARR records the music from few musicians and then do the mix/match. why cant he render it in its pure form? why do native instruments like tablas and thavils in his songs sound very much westernized and artificial?
  
  but when it comes to ARR concerts held in gulf and USA, you'll see whole lot of musicians on the stage. gimme a break.. there is no way you can reproduce his music with real instruments. makes me wonder how hyprocritical indians can get.
  
  
• From: rajaG (@ 207.43.195.201) on: Thu Mar 28 17:33:20 EST 2002
  
  vaal_payyan:
  
  I believe ARR uses a combo of original instruments and sound modules. Especially for tabla, mrudangam, ganjira, and (maybe)thavil ARR uses live instruments and musicians - not programmed patterns. So I really don't understand what your gripe is.
  
  
• From: magix (@ 203.199.248.64) on: Thu Mar 28 21:11:43 EST 2002
  
  Yes, he uses Live instruments and loops them over.
  I just came to know how he exactly worx!
  I MIGHT evn watch him work!!!!!!!!!
  all thru a famous acqauintance! (pardon my spelling! exam mudinja santhoshathla romba ollararen!)
  
  
• From: magix (@ 203.199.248.64) on: Thu Mar 28 21:12:43 EST 2002
  
  But i'm serious! spelling thaan ollararen..
  
  
• From: magix (@ 203.199.248.135) on: Fri Mar 29 08:44:12 EST 2002
  
  ne body seen live concerts that come on Vijay TV?
  
  
• From: avr (@ 203.197.80.148) on: Fri Mar 29 09:55:50 EST 2002
  
  rotfl:
  
  your posts were eye-openers. Thanks a lot.
  
  
• From: avr (@ 203.197.80.148) on: Fri Mar 29 10:09:52 EST 2002
  
  Mr. Naaz,
  
  To ask him - and other similar clonish MDs - to pay just the same attention to words and voice (that they do to their masterful compositions) is not really asking for the extraordinary.
  
  I am not a Tamilian, so I have no comments to pass about the "words" part of your response. I will form an opinion only after I have learnt a decent amount of this language (like you, even I derive immense pleasure from learning new languages - natural and computer-based :-))
  
  Anyways, what did you imply by "lack of attention to voice"? Could you elaborate on that, please? In what way, does ARR pay less attention to "voice" of a singer?
  
  Naga:
  
  Moreover if a singer not knowing Tamil doesnt do justice to the language, will you blame him/her or the MD or the director/producer? If a singer doesnt know Tamil, and is singing a tamil song, I guess he/she would rely on the MD/producer/director/lyricist to correct his/her pronounciations/intonations etc. Therefore going by this logic, I wouldnt blame the singer. We might want to blame the MD for choosing the singer in the first place. So you are right here.
  Yes, the singer is to be blamed 100% if he/she does not pronounce properly INSPITE OF KNOWING THE LANGUAGE (whichever it might be, whether Tamil or Hindi :-)).
  
  Also, why pick on poor (but highly talented, innovative) ARR ALONE? AFAIK even IR has used PLENTY of "northern imports" and continues to do so!
  
  No catchy tunes, not so great melodies but just rythm... that's the secret of success...and he knew that.
  
  This is IMHO a very very very subjective statement. "Catchiness" of a tune depends on each individual. the "not so great melodies' part is also confusing.
  
  
• From: ROTFL (@ 203.106.162.82) on: Fri Mar 29 10:12:46 EST 2002
  
  avr
  Sorry, nowadays, I don't know whether anyone is complimenting me or just laughing.
  If it was the former, thanks; if the latter, ignore this. :)
  
  rajaG
  ROTFL thaan NOV Oda pudhu avathaaramO nnu oru sandhEgam!!! :-)
  
  Veen santhegam vendaam ayya. I just made an appearance a few months ago.
  I have seen some of your older postings and I know that you are not only a knowledgeable person but also a respected person. You have just made a wonderful quote that is worth quoting all over this forum:
  
  ... you may be a fan of a person, but not of music.
  
  

---

List all pages of this thread

Post comments