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MASTER A.R.RAHMAN'S KANGAL KEITHEI SEI

Topic started by SHARAD (@ 202.9.150.156) on Wed Aug 13 14:27:04 EDT 2003.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

arr fans ARRS KANGAL KEITHEI SEI BIT SONG CINDERLA BY HARIHARAN IS IN... http://groups.yahoo.com/group/arrahmanfans/files/

THE BGM SEEMS TO BE LIKE A ENGLISH MOVIE FABULOUS.
I WILL UPLOAD THE OTHER PIECE SOON.

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• From: Worried (@ 65.161.65.104) on: Mon Aug 25 08:45:41 EDT 2003
  
  >Has anyone listen to the samples available for >ARR's upcoming movie?
  
  >http://www.warriors-movie.com/en/intro_en.html
  
  >Go to the music clips section and you can hear the >bgm. Very embarrasing effort.
  
  >You can hear a lot of John Williams' works like >Phantom Menace, Harry Potter, Fiddler On the Roof >and a lot of other ppl's works like Tan Dun, >Goldsmith's The Wind and The Lion, George Fenton's >Gandhi. All thrown in.
  
  >Really proves Rahman can't handle orchestral >scores.
  
  OK, somebody has uprooted what ARR has done for the new chinese movie. Poor Rahman. He really thought he can deceive people. May be he can deceive some koomuttas living in India but he's forgetting there are Indians living abroad too and that they would've been exposed to so many type of music.
  
  
  
• From: MusicIsLife (@ 170.146.91.6) on: Mon Aug 25 09:46:29 EDT 2003
  
  Paran, Bilahari_Raja
  Truly being grown with IR music,
  I tell one more time, the difference IR made was IR took other music, to what his style was. that is, his melody, rythm, composition, and true feel of TFM was the base, on top of it was added some western music to enhance it (like adding Gharam masala to some south indian authentic preparation). But most of the other MD's now do is take western beats as a the base and try to add TFM which is what is questioned about. This is what my opinion is.
  
  Somebody correct me if I am wrong.
  
  
• From: rajasaranam (@ 210.214.132.203) on: Mon Aug 25 15:49:42 EDT 2003
  
  And regarding this copying......
  
  IR has never said that he has not copied frm anywhere. i remember one of his TV interview during late eighties wher he went on explaining some songs which he had taken/copied/inspired frm he quoted one example frm karagattakaran that 'manguyilae poonguyilae' was a copy of 'yerumayil yerivarum' - a folk song on lord murugan. he also said that 'isai enbadhu oru sithu velai madri ezhu swarangal thaan irukku atha vachu naanga ungala eamathikittu irukom avalothaan, ella isaiyum inga erkanavae irukku'.
  
  intha nermai ARR kitta naan parthathillai.once when Rabi bernard asked him in an kumudam interview that he has been said as a copycat and his music sound similar to Dr.Alban ARR answered that he has never copied and it was a coincidence that both alban and himself happened to get hands on the same commercially available loops. this was said after we all had heard his 'parkathae parkathae' frm kaadalan which was a blatant copy of 'kilalae kilalae' a song frm Osibisa's.
  
  and i take pity on bilahari_raja for he was less informed and he was not a true fan of IR and that his transition frm IR 2 ARR wont last long too as he is a guy who 'maenjufies the noonipul' :-)
  
  
• From: V (@ 147.129.99.188) on: Mon Aug 25 16:16:41 EDT 2003
  
  Paran
  
  ur reply is so good and tongue-in-the-cheek!
  
  
• From: Jag (@ 35.9.20.119) on: Mon Aug 25 16:18:08 EDT 2003
  
  bilahari_raja,
  
  " 06
  Entha poovilum vaasam [Film: Murattukkaalai]
  Inspired from Antonio Ruiz-Pipo's 'Cancione et [i2fs] comments: The opening portion is surely inspired. But a typical Ilayaraja-like intricate work! "
  
  Let's see by this logic. Antonio must have lifted from Mozart (can you verify this with the appropriate clips?). In any case the tune of the muruttu kalai song is entirely different from the opening piece. Plagiarism is when the composer doesn't put in any effort and copies it completely. Here itself your accusation flops, since Raaja has given phenomenol touches to the song.
  
  
• From: V (@ 147.129.99.188) on: Mon Aug 25 17:16:57 EDT 2003
  
  Jag,
  
  Similarly can people like xml prove to ARR fans that he is a copy cat as has been baselessly alleged by xml and other passionate bashers?
  
  LEt us know a single (I mean a single) song where ARR "doesn't put in any effort and copies it completely" (quoting you). I want such silly screams of ARR copying to be verified with music clips.
  
  Why this double standard? I agree this is normal. But when ARR does this it is copying but when IR does this it is an inspiration crafted with great intricacy??
  
  Worse than america's double standard in the war against terror
  
  
• From: rajasaranam (@ 210.214.132.188) on: Mon Aug 25 17:45:33 EDT 2003
  
  Jag/ V,
  my thought over this is very different. i agree that IR has lifted many folk songs and used them in his movies and may be he has been inspired by soem western nos. too and used them in his compositions.
  when a controversy arose over the song "kattu vazhi pora ponne" for which SG claimed as that was his tune IR replied it not his or SGs tune but a folk song which he has used in the movie and nobody has an authority over it.
  i want to point out that never IR has said that he has not copied and also he has agreed on many songs that they were copies even 'inji idupazhagi' has a close tune to 'yeh dil diwaana' this was revealed by SPB in an interview.
  but ARR has said that he has never copied this i call 'dishonesty' and deserves the thrashing he is getting over his copied songs.
  
  V,
  i agree on ur point over america's double standards.
  
  
• From: MusicIsLife (@ 170.146.91.6) on: Mon Aug 25 17:53:54 EDT 2003
  
  Composers like IR use their strength of giving their music (with gr8 deal of understanding their nativity) while
  Other MD's try to find their strength from sources of various places, we might call it internationalization, commercialization, or even fusion.
  
  
• From: xml (@ 128.148.68.110) on: Mon Aug 25 19:05:23 EDT 2003
  
  To all
  I agree with that about the copy by IR and ARR. But look at the number of movies and songs composed by them.
  With IR- You can find very tracable and that is not the only song creditted to IR. He don't even need to copy that. Because you see rest of the huge song which was creditted for him.
  
  But with ARR I can tell from the first movie atleast a song he copies for each movie.And those are the songs gave more credit to ARR. OK. Here you go for few samples.
  Pudu vellai mazhai(Roja)-From Yanni
  Muqabla(Kadalan)- Alban(it gave more credit to ARR in the north)
  Konjam nilavu(thiruda thiruda)- Who is it(MJ's Dangerous album).
  Dolna(parasuram)- Kunnoru poochatti(from YSR's Velai).
  etc..
  
  Yes .I agree with that ARR does not copies completely like deva. He works a lot from his own also. But finely he mixed the western with indian music.So it was catchy for others.But how can they say he achieved more than IR WRT the song he made hit in north. Time also important. Vairamuthu is known more than kannadasan in the north. It doesn't mean that VM achieved than kannadasan. But if you see blindly the answer is yes. VM and ARR achieved more than kannadasan and ARR. It is your view only. But others also have their own view.
  
  Try to respect the forum. Post related to the topic rather than comparing IR-ARR.
  
  
• From: Paran (@ 203.123.16.112) on: Mon Aug 25 22:09:28 EDT 2003
  
  "intha nermai ARR kitta naan parthathillai.once when Rabi bernard asked him in an kumudam interview that he has been said as a copycat and his music sound similar to Dr.Alban ARR answered that he has never copied and it was a coincidence that both alban and himself happened to get hands on the same commercially available loops."
  
  whole load of ****.....ARR never claimed such...whenever they say his songs resembles this, or exact copy of something else..he would say....soory i didn't notice....he never ever said "I NEVER COPIED"...if true?...where u read that interview? Kuumuttaingel (Kumuthum version for Morons)...?
  
  
• From: ambleen (@ 203.117.10.18) on: Tue Aug 26 00:13:52 EDT 2003
  
  rubbish eminating more rubbish.
  
  Here's another example of how ARR never admits or schemes past others. In Star World's Rendevouz interview recently, when Simi Garewal asked ARR about him being called 'Mozart of the East', do you know what the reply was? He said, "I think Taal set the standard".
  
  There u go. Talk abt being humble let alone speaking the truth. Com'on, even his fans will find it ludicrous of him being called Mozart..or shd i say comical.
  
  
• From: Raj (@ 219.93.194.154) on: Tue Aug 26 00:25:33 EDT 2003
  
  ambleen,
  r u jealous??
  why the heck u interfere in every ARR forums and critize him???
  Get Lost!
  U have to admit.IR is past but we do agree he is the best.
  
  
• From: paran (@ 203.123.16.112) on: Tue Aug 26 00:46:25 EDT 2003
  
  Dear Raj...
  did u realised, someone is commenting abt "Mozart of Asia" title...
  but the other MD..was holding the "isaignani" title for more than 25 years..and gave a comment "i am still learning, and i am not a isaignani"....why after 25 years..why not when he was first called isaignani?...
  
  and that is ok...sure...
  
  
• From: ambleen (@ 203.117.10.18) on: Tue Aug 26 00:47:58 EDT 2003
  
  Raj or wateva u r,
  If you want an answer and want some credibility, please reply vis-a-vis first.
  
  
• From: ambleen (@ 203.117.10.18) on: Tue Aug 26 01:07:53 EDT 2003
  
  Thanks for supporting my point Mr Paran.
  
  Yes, IR didn't give much interviews and he doesn't have chance to de-claim such honors. He really doesn't care for all these silly titles. We don't care too because HIS MUSIC ALONE SPEAKS. He already said once when he was in Singapore that "u ppl give me titles and u ppl will one day take it away so i'm not interested".
  
  Ok now back to my point,
  1) Where the hell did this 'MOZART OF ASIA' come from?
  2) Please point to me/us the music which examplified/refered/honored him to be 'MOZART OF ASIA'?
  
  
• From: paran (@ 203.123.16.112) on: Tue Aug 26 01:11:47 EDT 2003
  
  ha ha ha...
  great ones will know which music deserved Mozart of Asia title...
  u r not capable to digest it...so leave it alone...
  
  
• From: Speaker (@ 203.126.142.232) on: Tue Aug 26 01:35:53 EDT 2003
  
  which music deserved Mozart of Asia title... >>>>>Brrrrrrrrrrrr from BaBa.
  BTW, Is it not Mozart of Madras rather Asia??
  
  
• From: bhoo - ir (@ 61.95.236.211) on: Tue Aug 26 02:42:47 EDT 2003
  
  ir's is the greatest when thapangoothu comes....
  in melodies he cudn't even cross the indian border...
  bhoooooooooooo guys and ir fans can only criticise on arr's work... he's going legendary through out the world!
  awesome way to go arr..
  some m f!@#$%^& never shut the mouths..
  bhoooooooooooooooooo
  
  
• From: x (@ 156.153.254.42) on: Tue Aug 26 03:20:40 EDT 2003
  
  MASTER A.R.RAHMAN'S KANGAL KEITHEI SEI????
  
  

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