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thiruvasakam in symphony

Topic started by Sridhar Seetharaman (@ 67.83.146.59) on Mon Apr 7 15:33:24 EDT 2003.
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http://www.thiruvasakaminsymphony.com/v_eng.htm#8a

Official audio release from Ilaiyaraaja.

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• From: cn (@ 198.31.45.51) on: Thu Jul 8 11:35:18 EDT 2004
  
  SeriousThisTime,
  
  If you are really serious, please take this offline and talk directly to SSSSA. Are you "Thiru" by any chance? Your tone suggests that.
  
  
• From: thops (@ 24.163.66.143) on: Thu Jul 8 12:18:49 EDT 2004
  
  http://www.tis-usa.com updated...
  
  We thank all of you who are taking efforts to help this project, but we can better appreciate your help if you use the website and the emails on it for any TiS related questions, instead of this forum...
  
  Thanks,
  
  
• From: SSSA (@ 199.90.34.67) on: Thu Jul 8 12:21:19 EDT 2004
  
  Here is my number to contact!
  919-460-9430[h] and 919-413-3913[c]
  Thanks cn, that's a good idea. I am willing to answer any and all serious questions.
  YIA!!
  
  
• From: isaiosai (@ 68.231.12.84) on: Thu Jul 8 13:50:43 EDT 2004
  
  SeriousThisTime,
  
  (not really;-)) All your doubts are only yours. I for one have contributed just like you and I have no doubts or even care about how certain things are going to be done. The ideal spirit of donation for such a cause should be of being selfless and doing it with blind faith. When that is not the case, one would obviously get many doubts and only time can probably answer and comfort you, not humans like us.
  
  But our mentality is such that just because someone is asking us for help (at the receiving end;-)), we belittle them with all sorts of disgusting questions. aayiram kelvigal...to the extent of questioning the very creator.
  
  SSSA and others in the team are very open and you can talk to them directly. Some may feel that they are probably not making TiS happen in the most ideal way (including RajaG). But they are sacrificing their precious time and making it happen in the best possible way they can...unlike others like you and me who are not doing anything worthwhile for TiS.
  
  If you are ready to spend the required time and effort for TiS, become part of the team, and correct and guide the people there, if required. Else, simply stand aside and watch the happenings. But please don't act to be "SeriousThisTime":)
  
  Naattukku, Tamilnaattukku, unga pola 10 peru irundhal podhum. uripadum!
  (no more from me on this)
  
  
• From: Kupps (@ 192.76.80.74) on: Thu Jul 8 14:59:17 EDT 2004
  
  oh..oh..oh..oh..please hold it folks. i think we are jumping out of track.
  
  As per the discussions here, I presume the money collected (100k or whatever it is), thru public contribution, is to be used ONLY for the cost of the project (i.e.) charges and other expenses for the making of the album (assuming may be the cost of first set of CDs burn into this).
  
  In simple terms the public contribution in terms of money meets the production cost.
  
  Now that TiS is "produced". The plan is to sell the first set of CDs and, based on the demand, burn some more CDs and sell them too. In this process (i.e. selling the CDs) the thamizh mayyam (and/or respective group), who is incharge of this project would get money i.e. the SALES REVENUE. It may have to repay some loan amount. The remaining would be the PROFIT which would be given to building of music foundation/college (i think so).
  
  The expectations(of the production team and the contributors) out of the project i.e.
  ------> Thiruvaasagam has to reach all people, including the new generation (that of production team) AND
  
  ------> The outcome of the contribution is monetarily profitable ALSO.
  
  would be satisfied only if the SALES is successful. So, the selling has to be done in a professional manner.
  
  My doubt in this is, can the people(HCIRFs and others) who have contributed, be successful in selling the CDs? The question is not directed on the integrity but the very nature of contributors is non-professional(as far as selling a musical CD is concerned) and it is unorganised [i think this is what STT intended in his/her question].
  
  Instead, IMHO, it is better the project owners (thamizh mayyam?) have a deal with professional musical marketing companies/groups to sell the CDs. The deal might be say, $1 per CD sold would go to them or something like that.
  
  This marketing right, the project owners, may give to those company(ies) as "inclusive right" to market. This might enable voulanteers like HCIRFs who would wish to sell the CDs (in ways as mentioned by SSSSA) may also do so without getting into the trouble of breaching "the right-to-sell". However the majority marketing should be done by professional groups so that the outcome/result/sales is profitable which would serve the purpose(ie. pay-off the loans and contribute to foundation/college).
  
  Is it feasible?
  
  
• From: SSSSA (@ 199.90.34.67) on: Thu Jul 8 16:15:47 EDT 2004
  
  Thank you Kupps, for your nice input. You can be a good Judge! Are you studying Law?!
  Coming to brass tacks, there are no two opinions as to the fact that to make it profitable[which means to break even with the first set initially, as it stands], there should be proper distribution. No questions.
  Had the contributions been as expected when we got into this, things would have been totally different. But it was not so.
  I do not want to dwell on those issues as they are moot now as the recordings are underway and in another 20 days the recordings at Chennai and Mumbai would be over.
  Then the mixing has to be done and a master copy made for copying by the end of this month or early part of Aug.
  Which necessarily means that all these folks have to paid in full before or by that date!
  We are making everything possible to meet this deadline, no matter what and that's why I said that 'we will be running in RED'!
  Efforts are underway currently with two leading companies for production and marketing and we will be finalizing in a few days.
  Any ways, as Kupps rightly said having a team of HCIRF's lined up in various cities to oversee the sales doesn't hurt.
  Regarding the deficits, what I meant is the 'loan'we have got from some well-wishers to whom we have the obligation to repay from the first pool of income and not from the 'profits'.
  My only request is to set aside all our apprehensions and work as a team as we all will do in the case of a marriage in our houses. 'namma veettu kalyaaNam pOla'!
  We do need you....not only the HCIRF's but every music loving, and Tamil loving person! Thanks.
  
  
• From: cho (@ 209.47.143.226) on: Thu Jul 8 16:31:00 EDT 2004
  
  Just small request,
  
  When the CD is released, please do not make MP3s from it and make them available for free download.. This way people would be forced to buy it from the market..
  
  Etho nammalaala mudhinchadha seivom! :)
  
  
  
• From: isaiosai (@ 68.231.12.84) on: Thu Jul 8 18:00:02 EDT 2004
  
  Kupps, thank you for bringing me onto your track:)
  
  
• From: Gyan (@ 4.158.117.167) on: Thu Jul 8 19:04:35 EDT 2004
  
  success is only dependent on wanting to succeed, wanting to succeed to fulfil a certain "self-actualization 'need'" (i don't personally believe in success, because a person like basically has no major wants (only needs like family welfare, food, shelter and music, of course. even a third grade radio can take the place of my stereo, if it comes to that i'll listen to my own singing or hear the birds and the breeze in an open-air bath ;---)
  
  when the Maestro declared his projects, the feeling I got was here is IR really wanting to succeed now for a great cause. Unlike HTNI, NBW, I24hrs, film albums, where it was his very breath, bread butter art, legacy, etc.. where success was a natural outcome like a reward for which IR did not have time to relish.
  
  then when fans like SSSSA began to work for the cause, "optimum" effort was being put in. success requires only minimum effort, IR' annoucement itslef was the minimum. And, success requires preparation, IR has perepared all his life os the project only needed participation of well-wishers.
  
  many doubters maybe skeptical, but i think for their valid reasons. for those convinced and able fans, i feel 2.5% of their annual income is a modest contribution, i would go upto 10%, 5% of annual income is encouraging, since this is not happening every year.
  especially, when the contribution is going to establish an institutaion for music in India. here, in the USA entrepreneurs contribute millions of dollars to their alma mater or social welfare. Music of IR is equally inspiring and has been for many thousands of his fans.
  
  
  I would say this might not be a good idea for fans with famiilies, etc.. yet let us look at 1% of annual income as a minimum for soemthing integral to a fan' life.
  
  whatever said, Fr. Jegath and SSSSA are doing the optimum and even maximum in this forum with repeated requests. And I say, success is in our hands, destiny is in God' hands.
  
  but, one great "strategic move" by the team is involing a major professional, marketing company like SONY in the design, prestenation, distribution for appealing to discerning markets, to foil mp3 copies, plus i think a affordable pricing for the mass market (eg.: $17-25. i think pricing for the fans' distribution network should be of higher value ($22 to $30). here, it is easire to convey the purpose of the project and offer that intrinsic value to the buyers who are more personally reachable.
  
  Godspeed, Fr.Jegath, SSSSA and team. Looking forward to experiencing one of the happiest moments of my life!
  
  
• From: SeriosThisTime (@ 192.193.221.149) on: Thu Jul 8 19:06:43 EDT 2004
  
  Isaiosai,
  Why do you think that my questions are not valid?. Blind faith on whom?. I have great respect for IR and that is the reason I gave my small contribution , not based on any blind faith on any one working on this project. Every second message in this thread is for asking money and the moment I ask some genuine questions, what I am getting back is some irriated answers and top of that a ( I am holier than you) message from you.
  
  
  
  Infact after my repeated questions, only Kupps managed to shed some light on the issues and I am not even sure, what is his involvement in the project. TIS project people managed to give only elusive answers. So far we do not even know who is going to own the audio rights for this project.
  
  This is what my understading on this process. Correct me, where I am getting it wrong.
  
  Tamil Mayam is the sponser of the project. SSSA and others are working in US to get funds for the project. There might be some loans borrowed for the project, but we do not know ( may be not for every one), who are they, and how much. Once the project is finished, Tamil mayyam or other interested parties who have put down money will get the rights for selling and distributing and will be the primary beneficiar from the proceedings. There might be other small interested parties, who might be part the distribution and beneficiar to the project.
  
  As for the public funding goes, the theme is, help us if you want to help IR and to speard the message of ThiruVasakam to the world. We want to call it as a public project, but basically it is a private project, who do not have ( or want to) funds for the project. We do not know you, and you may not know us, but please write a check to TIS. We will make sure that money goes to the project. But please do not ask questions, how we are going to do this. We can not answer that, and that is not important, but please contribute.
  
  I have talked to few people about this project, and these are the questions, they asked me. When I was in the NY meeting, at least the folks with me did not contribute, because they are not sure, whether the whole project is for non-profit basis or not. There might be so many other people, who would be willing to contribute, if there is a clear cut explanation on this. May be the web site is the best place.
  
  To answer the criticizm that I am not contributing any postive for the project, I am trying to get this questions cleared so that any person who wants to help this project but doubting the process, will be inclined to write that check after finding right answers here. This is one of the best places for people to find out about the project. I feel that any answers to my question to be answerd here, not in a personal email.
  
  Look, I want this to succeed for the Sake of IR. Let's hope that this will
  
  
  
• From: Gyan (@ 4.158.117.167) on: Thu Jul 8 19:11:50 EDT 2004
  
  ....success requires only minimum effort, IR' annoucement itslef was the minimum. And, success requires preparation....
  
  oops, quite contradictory, but
  
  i meant minimum effort over a great period of time in other word, preparation.
  
  which, depends on the individual, some take longer preparation, some can do it overnight, "longer time" taken for the preparation better the variety and quality of output. for eg.: IR scored Annakkili around 33 yrs, but since young, IR has been preparing for years and years under so many many teachers and music directors (gurus), now that is preparation, which IR 'needed' because music was going to be his life, not hobby or work, this Symphony is aimed at as a milestone achievement as dedicating to a cause. So, this is a want as opposed to music as being the life itslef, which is a need.
  
  

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