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Even Vidhyasagar scores better BGM than Ilayaraaja these days

Topic started by Youth (@ 202.188.22.180) on Mon Jan 27 05:51:52 EST 2003.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

Just watched Anbey Sivam and Ramana. Both have disaster scenes.

In Anbey Sivam, there is a train collision. Kudos to the art director for such realistic settings. Vidhysaagar scores pretty good BGM and gave very good sound effects, that you really feel that you are at the scene of the accident.

By contrast, in Ramana there is a scene where the aprtments collapse. The setting was extremely bad and did not reflect reality. In a buidling collapse, you can see a lot of dust, but not in Ramana. VK looks like he just had a bath!
As for Ilayaraaja's BGM, it just shows that he has lost it. There was absolute silence!
OK, never mind the music. What about human sounds? Shouldn't there be moanings and cries in the aftermath of such a disaster? Abdolutely none!!!

Ilayaraja has stopped delivereing listenable songs and the only quality left in him was supposedly his BGM capability. But if this is his idea of BGM, it is better if he packs up and goes.

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• From: Speaker (@ 203.126.142.232) on: Tue Jan 28 03:02:29 EST 2003
  
  Appa, Enna argument!. LP great, do not allow anybody to deviate from the topic. appadithan, super, kidukke pidi, summa thool kilappareenga, (bigil),Burrrrrrrrrrrrrrr (Baba sound) (do not look for any readable value in the post, athellam unga matheri periya alunga seyyara vishayam)
  
  
• From: Prabhu (@ 210.214.5.11) on: Tue Jan 28 04:09:32 EST 2003
  
  Another Royapuram public waterpipe queue fight.
  
  How much does it take to purchase a bomb and blast this useless thread, postors and all?
  
  
• From: Are Yaar (@ 203.115.31.67) on: Tue Jan 28 04:39:19 EST 2003
  
  LP:
  You missed some more.
  
  Jilla tangu taangu
  adi jumpa
  jinjinikku jikku cha..jinjinukku
  
  I think this itself will make 1000 odd songs...Great contribution ma.
  
  
• From: Youth (@ 210.186.60.147) on: Tue Jan 28 07:12:58 EST 2003
  
  Valuable information vazhippOkkan and senthilv.com!
  
  Such kind of postings add value to a discussion, instead of the typical pig coming and crapping, without any worthwhile contribution.
  
  Lollu Party and Paran
  Pigs crap. What more of Ilayaraaja's pet pig. That is a fact that we have to live with.
  And thanks for the support.
  
  Are Yaar, it is not worth being impartial to these guys. Watch my word as they pound mercilessly on differing opinions, without any thought for civility.
  
  Prabhu, can you tell me what is wrong with this thread? Is the discussion not TFM related?
  Haven't other MDs been criticised worse in other threads? Why should IR be excluded from criticism? As long as he is a public figure, he is subject to criticism.
  
  Those days non-IR fans kept quiet. Stage two was when they were on the defensive. But they have learnt fast. Now they are on Stage 3 and are on the offensive. As more and more people learn of this forum and the high handedness of HCIRF's I assure you will see the numbers increasing.
  
  And soon you will hear some innermost secrets of Ilayaraaja and not what is told by his publicity mill. That is technology for you. Believe me, the days are not far when you will have answers to 100 million dollar questions such as why the symphony was not released, why IR was such a mega success in the 80s, why everyone who is someone ditched him completely.
  
  Just tune in to TFM page regularly. :)
  
  
• From: Prabhu (@ 210.214.5.229) on: Tue Jan 28 09:10:39 EST 2003
  
  Youth,
  Though I do not believe in taking sides in an argument and attack or defend, some very obvious things in this thread makes me post here.
  
  The issue debated in this thread is very subjective. You are debating about type of BGM for a very specific situation. Each MD is entitled to put it the way he likes it. Similarly KB's style of directing(punching dialogues) is different from Mani's(using silence to add conviction). Music is merely a means to convey thought/idea and there's no set mode of doing it.
  
  Of course, we can compare and contrast 2 different styles, that would be an eye-opener. But it does sound odd to me that when you talk of VS, you use expressions like "pretty good BGM", "very good sound effects" and when it comes to IR, you use dramatic statements like "stopped delivereing listenable songs"(cassette sales tell somethin different!), "lost it", "packs up and goes"!! No prizes for guessing your loyalties there ;-)
  
  About your comment on criticising other MD's other than Deva(for copying IR), YSR/HJ(for breathing down ARR's neck), I believe all other MDs have been given a fair deal in this DF.
  
  And yes, you cant help smiling when some individuals clown around. Like this postor who projected an obvious weakness(not even seeing either movie) into a strength by praising his ability to correct himself. In his first post, he jumps to support someone who brought down the MD he loves to hate. To have a presence in this thread(despite his lack of awareness on the situation), in his next post he backs up another postor's irrelevant list of songs(that most of these songs featured Kamal or Rajini in their prime is another matter, you see :)). Anything goes! Sometimes, you learn things here that Harvard Business school doesnt teach you!
  
  Bye, I am out! Carry on the discussion but dont make sweeping statements that only ignite the rabble-rousers. Solrathu righta?
  
  
• From: Biju (@ 136.181.195.25) on: Tue Jan 28 09:30:37 EST 2003
  
  To understand and appreciate IR's music there should be minimum music sense and knowledge.Kai kala aata(valippu vandha maathiri) vaikira paatu mattum kekatheenga thambigala(Youth,Paran and all mutually adoring club members).Heartukkum odambukkum nallathilla.Raaja Sir music kelungappa.
  Unga odambula odra illa ratham soodu thaninju,brain fulla develop aana vudaney ungalukku nalla music'na ennannu puriyum.Appa autmatic'a IR music pakkam vandhaganum.Athu varaikkum IR music na ennaney puriama intha maadhiri madathanamana(Sound effects'ukkum,BGM kuda vithyasam theriyala:-))) thread'sa arambichi unga vayatherichala theethukunga.he he.
  
  
• From: Youth (@ 203.106.162.188) on: Tue Jan 28 11:41:09 EST 2003
  
  Prabhu, I've seen your postings. You are alright.
  
  Since I am talking about BGM in a very specific situation, the issue is no longer subjective. Most guys here make it that IR is the king of BGM and I have showed how he flopped miserably in a particular area and to further strengthen my point, I gave an equally dramatic situation where the BGM lifted the scene. This is called comparing apples with apples.
  
  While you say music is a means to convey thought/idea and there's no set mode of doing it, there are some people here who actually make fun of how some other MDs make music. Therein lies the problem.
  
  But that aside, shouldn't BGM lift a scene? Well, it didn't and therefore IR flopped at BGM. period.
  
  When describing VS, I used positive words, since he deserved them 100%. IR, supposedly the king of BGM deserved criticism to the max.
  I don't know what cassette sales you are talking about? If you are saying IR's songs are selling like hot cakes, then beleiev me, you have been deceived.
  
  I believe that you have targeted Are Yaar in your comments. My feelings on this matter are that Are Yaar is too gentemanly, to a fault. In one of the threads he actually asked why IR didn't get Padma Bushan or something like that?! Can you believe that!!!
  These buggers here deserve no such sympathy. They deserve to be slaughtered, and slaughter I will. At the end of the day, IR is just another MD, with his own set of faults and shortcomings.
  
  
  Biju
  To understand and appreciate IR's music there should be minimum indecent sense and araivekkaadu knowledge. You need to be vulgar, obscene, rude and plain idiotic. After all these is what you learn from his music which appeal to the lowest of the lowest of your levels. Who will set music to the moanings during sex except for YOUR IR? Thanks but no thanks. You keep that kind of music to yourself. He brought Tamil music to such a low that most Tamils were ashamed to be associated with such music. Namakku vekkam, maanam, rosham irukkuthungga anne, saathathule uppu pottu saappidurom, athunaalethaan konjam soranai irukkuthu. No offense. :)
  
  
• From: Biju (@ 136.181.195.25) on: Tue Jan 28 13:53:55 EST 2003
  
  Youth,
  Marupadiyum marupadiyum maramandai maathiri pesathey.
  "You get what you look for"
  Unnoda buththi SEX pakkamey irundha unakku athu thaan kanukku theriyum.ha ha.
  Enakku ippo puriyuthu.Unakku IR mela yen avalavu kovamnu.IR is not producing such mukkal munangal songs nowadays.Athu thaan kovama kanna unakku?:-))
  Mukkal munangal songs contribute not even 10% of IR's songs.Every time you curse IR my fanatism towards him goes up one level.Dont be jealous kids.Genius will have great fan following.
  " most Tamils were ashamed to be associated with such music "
  ha ha appa 26 years'a IR enna Assamese padathukka music pottuttu irukar?Mental maathiri pesathey Youth.maramandai.:-))
  
  
• From: Sivam (@ 161.44.179.121) on: Tue Jan 28 15:57:54 EST 2003
  
  Attrocious - Stop Comparing him with every person u get. This man has given us so many beautiful bgms, that there is no count to it. How much do you want him to churn out ? Lets see how many BGMs one can remember for Mr VidyaSagar, A R Rahaman Harris Jeyraj collectively.....
  
  
• From: John (@ 12.163.39.254) on: Tue Jan 28 17:02:52 EST 2003
  
  unlike songs, a bgm need not be catchy. lot of very good BGMs cannot be remembered easily. Thats how a BGM should be. It should mix with emotions well and so the audience will not notice the music when they seriously watch the scene. Sometime back, I watched an Arnold movie "Hercules in New York" and the BGM was horrible. From the beginning till the end of the movie, the score drove me crazy!
  
  
• From: ambleen (@ 202.95.121.98) on: Tue Jan 28 23:40:15 EST 2003
  
  "As for Ilayaraaja's BGM, it just shows that he has lost it. There was absolute silence!
  OK, never mind the music. What about human sounds? Shouldn't there be moanings and cries in the aftermath of such a disaster? Abdolutely none!!!
  
  Ilayaraja has stopped delivereing listenable songs and the only quality left in him was supposedly his BGM capability. But if this is his idea of BGM, it is better if he packs up and goes."
  
  
  Guys,
  
  This is one of the funniest post i've seen in TFM page. IR is now responsible for special/sound effects in movies. In other words, the nut writing the above posts doesn't even suspect what the director(vision) or sound effects guys are for? With this much knowledge on movie-making and films, it has together with the other trolls come to make a statement. A moronic one at that.
  
  Its actually quite fun to see what this weirdo's are made up of. In another post, another fool once questioned who John Scott is and claiming he's not famous just because its never heard of him. And another one has once declared he's never heard of BGM from other composers while questioning abt IR's BGM ability. Come on.....when one get involves in any arguement, won't the opposing party at least take it that his proponent/opponent would have some knowledge on that topic. But these vaitherruchals have proven they are here just to show their dissatisfacion of IR's existence.
  
  Such is the state of these ARR-ites. But then again, its intersting to note what they're made up of tho'.
  
  
• From: Paran (@ 210.193.13.171) on: Tue Jan 28 23:48:34 EST 2003
  
  Youth...
  u r scolding me...or supporting me?...i am confused?..
  
  
  

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