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ARR and IR the only trendsetters in TFM in the last 25 years

Topic started by Arjuna (@ 137.73.8.176) on Fri May 16 09:26:38 EDT 2003.
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ARR was a trend setter..All the other music directors other than IR did nothing new!! They are just following the footsteps of IR and ARR..ARR need not waste his time on films that are cheap and he is concentrating on better films in Hindi..It is quite funny when u ppl say HJ,YSR are better than the great ARR..ARR has gone into the history books..The other music directors will be forgotten!!Even during the time,when IR was at this peak, MDs like Shankar ganesh and Chandrabose were hyped so much to be the best..But look at them now..they are no where to be seen..IR and ARR are the only music directors whom the tfm industry will remember in the next 25 years and more!!ARR is GOD!!

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• From: Paran (@ 203.123.16.45) on: Sat May 24 01:55:52 EDT 2003
  
  3. He is the only music director who had scored more than 30 films per year.
  
  Err...
  
  
  i thot...DEva scores more movies per year..when he was hot?...please clarify
  
  
• From: Shadotcom (@ 203.117.33.24) on: Sat May 24 03:01:56 EDT 2003
  
  Dear Curses,
  
  1. The 20 year ended in 1994
  2. Yes, but there are many Hindi Musician copied Illayaraja songs in 80's and 90's and they got awards. But Illayaraja didn't care about it.
  5. The whole album.
  
  
• From: Shadotcom (@ 203.117.33.24) on: Sat May 24 03:04:27 EDT 2003
  
  Paran,
  
  Illayaraja scored more than 30 and sometimes 40 throughtout 80's and early 90's. He is the only one to have that chance continously. No one. I can challenge that. Even if Deva is scoring music for many movies per year but the qulaities songs will be less than 50%
  
  
• From: Shadotcom (@ 203.117.33.24) on: Sat May 24 03:06:06 EDT 2003
  
  Another thing. Illayaraja is the only one to scored more than 500 films in 20 years. Is there anyone in India?
  
  
• From: curses (@ 219.65.108.80) on: Sat May 24 04:47:37 EDT 2003
  
  Shadotcom...
  30 mins for a whole album! All the songs in the album wud add upto 40 mins for Godsake!
  
  i was rite when i sed the 20 yrs ended in 92. Rahman took over!
  
  "Yes, but there are many Hindi Musician copied Illayaraja songs in 80's and 90's and they got awards. But Illayaraja didn't care about it"
  
  see. That's my point. IR cud have easily ventured into Hindi and won their hearts. But he dint. He stuck to what he was comfy with.
  But Rahman? He went ahead, announced his arrival into HFM too and if there's one composer the whole nation knows about it's Rahman.
  Admit it, go down south, go to Gujrat, the far east and right upto Kashmir take a poll of all the MDs they know. The one common entry in all the lists wud be ARR. Or shud i say the intersection in a Venn diagram.
  
  
• From: vatsala (@ 203.106.116.163) on: Sat May 24 08:08:57 EDT 2003
  
  i agree with curses. arr has brought a whole new frontier to indian film music, be it in south or north!!there r so many legendary songs that he has produced n still wii be producing. take taalam, lagaan, the evergreen roja, alaipayuthey, thiruda thiruda, duet, paarthale paravasam ( do u know that he combined a few ragaas into one song - adhisaya thirumanam -..and it was done so beautifully), the list will go on. arr has gone into the hindi film music.. sumthing that is not so easy to do..not only has he gone into the hfm industry but he has a made a great impression on the whole bollywood team who simply think that they r better than the south indian industry. for goodness sake, arr is not only well known in india, m'sia or s'pore.. his fame n glory has reached places that ir can only dream of.. do u think sir andrew webber even knows the very existence of ir? has a famed musician came in pursuit of arr NOT ir!! need i say more?..
  
  
• From: dinesh (@ 211.28.96.9) on: Sat May 24 09:52:08 EDT 2003
  
  vatsala nee mothal'la onoda PUSSSY'ya shave panu... apuram IR pathi pesu.. Paran nee shave pana vilaku pudi..
  
  
• From: Music4ever (@ 165.121.131.100) on: Sat May 24 09:58:29 EDT 2003
  
  IR ruled from 1976 to 1992, a period of 16 years. During this period he composed many many great tunes. Both IR and ARR are trend setters in TFM but it takes special talent to compose tunes for so many movies most of which were hits in the eighties. Do not talk rubbish about IR. ARR is still, arguably, at his peak so let us wait for some more years and see what happens. If he can compose tunes like he did throughout the nineties, a comparison may be reasonable. One thing though: IR had virtually no competition in the eighties, while ARR already has from VS, HJ, and YSR.
  
  
• From: dinesh (@ 211.28.96.9) on: Sat May 24 10:01:49 EDT 2003
  
  vatsala modala onoda PUSI ya shave panitu vaa.. apuram ir pathi pesalam.. paran poi vilaku pudi..
  
  
• From: dinesh (@ 211.28.96.41) on: Sat May 24 10:08:33 EDT 2003
  
  Still shouting the ARR's past glory.. not anymore u idiots.. suckers!! its gone.
  ARR captured his possition in 1994.. at the end of 2002 he lost his possition to VS.. no the best MD in tfm is VS.. followed by HJ, YSR, Baradwaj, KR etc.. HJ is going great.. soon he will capture the possition.. ARR's movies already started to suck!! copy king arr is a history..
  
  
• From: someone (@ 128.148.68.57) on: Sat May 24 10:39:51 EDT 2003
  
  Dinesh don't give more thread like this.Give chance some one to post some thing.
  
  
• From: kum (@ 202.56.193.86) on: Sat May 24 13:30:23 EDT 2003
  
  curses,
  according to ur statement, the person who is running after money around the globe is great than the one who totally dedicated himself to tamil music...
  
  
• From: xml (@ 128.148.68.57) on: Sat May 24 15:35:06 EDT 2003
  
  curses
  This is what ARR made the TF industry.
  
  See the richness of TF industry when IR ruled.Many new producers Born and the number of theaters were increasing each year..
  
  See the TF industry with ARR.No mre new producers.
  
  And existing producers are shifting to other business and many are committing sucide.
  
  Many theaters are altering as marriage hall or shopping complex.
  
  Not only producers.Our superster!!!!,Everest KKB kiked out from the field.
  
  This is what ARR made.
  I accept that ARR proved his talent in north and IR did not bother that.
  
  If ARR made the TF healthy and popularized in north I will realy appreciate him.But he did not.
  
  
  
  
  
• From: JP Montoya Rocks (@ 62.117.116.98) on: Sat May 24 19:09:31 EDT 2003
  
  **digression
  //
  BMW can never do what a Ferrari does...
  
  let it be F1...or roadsters
  //
  
  adhenna paran, sandhadi sakkula enga thalaivaroda teama apdi solli putteega? enga engine munnadi verendha teamum nikka mudiyathu.. therdha?.. williams chassis problem theerndhadhum paarunga...inime kaandi indha madhir sonna, naan summa irukka matten.. aaang...:D
  **
  coming to the topic, yes.. rahman and raja are trendsetters. since they set different trends, we cant really compare them..hee hee.
  
  
• From: vatsala (@ 210.186.40.84) on: Sat May 24 22:28:15 EDT 2003
  
  look dinesh.. if u can't discuss with proper manners then don't. this simply explains ur immaturity and inability to take part in such a discussion. none of us r shouting of arr's glory .. we need not do so. wat do u know about arr's music to refer him as a " copy king"? the one who copies in tfm is deva!! do u know how many albums of arr was copied by other MD's ?? especially the famous duo jatin-lalit!!ever heard gentleman songs in hindi? where do u think it came from?? it was copied by jatin-lalit from arr's album!! michael jackson asked arr to perform with him on stage in concert for the less fortuntes.. pls tell me why didn't he ask ir?? yes, there r a number of flops on arr's side.. but do u know why? because arr experiments his music.. he doesn't delivers monotonous tunes like ir, ysr or whoever for that matter..
  
  
• From: Shadotcom (@ 203.117.33.23) on: Sat May 24 23:19:13 EDT 2003
  
  Curse,
  
  For Chinna Thami, i said that it was a tune only which is intial approval for song which took only 30 minns only. But you are talking about the original trcak and composing.
  
  Next, i don't agree that Illayaraja's time is over by 1992. He gave super duper hits in 93 and 94 too .
  
  1993
  Aranmanikilli, Chinna Mappillai, Uzhaipaalli, Valli, Kaligan, Ejamaan, Marupakkam, Kovil Kalai,
  
  1994
  Atharmam, Magalir Mattum, Vitula Visagunga, Rajakumaran, veera, Rasa Magan, Ponumani
  
  It is double your AR Rahman’s total film list for 1993 and 1994.
  
  For Illayaraja going to Hindi, it is up to him. I got nothing to say.
  
  
• From: Shadotcom (@ 203.117.33.23) on: Sat May 24 23:19:49 EDT 2003
  
  Dear Friends,
  
  I agree with you all that ARR is one of the best musicians but he is still under IR. If you disagree with, please compare IR and ARR in my 8 positive points in the earlier page. I will happy if ARR is comparable at least 4 points. Definitely can’t. You all may say that ARR just entered film industry so it is too early to say. No!
  
  Looks like ARR is loosing his ground from 2000 or 2001. There are few other MD taking over. So that means ARR’s hit ended within 8 years about 50 films. But for IR 20 Years with 500 films. What a big gap!
  
  Lastly I would like to tell you all something. I agree with you all IR is not giving hits now but it doesn’t mean that IR is not a Genious Musician. I give you one example. Sivaji Ganesan has proved that he is best actors in 50’s, 60’s and 70’s. Even though Sivaji acted in 80’s and 90’s, his movies didn’t regonise as before. Kamal proved that he is the best actor in 80’s and 90’s. Is that means that Sivaji is not consider good actor? Since Kamal is doing extraordinary acting now, is that means that Sivaji’s acting is nothing compared to Kamal? Same thing for IR (Sivaji) and ARR (Kamal). So you can’t expect IR to give hits until his life ends. Time varies for each one.
  
  
• From: curses (@ 219.65.108.136) on: Sun May 25 03:25:58 EDT 2003
  
  kum..
  my statement meant that ARR was not one-dimensional and was enterprising enough to take his music to a whole different plane and It was the fame he sought. Just the fact that Andrew lloyd Weber backed ARR all the way speaks volumes of his capacity.
  
  xml,
  pls try to get ur reasoning right.
  "See the richness ..."
  Let's get the facts right.
  in the 80s, TV had just made it's appearance with the only channel being DD. Factors like VCD, DVD, Cable were no where in picture. So people thronged to theatres to watch the movies however it mite be. But nowadays w/ all these factorse coming into pic, the ppl ahve become more discerning. They dont go to a movie unless they are satisfied w/ the reviews it gets. They say "What the hell, it's gonna be on TV in a month anway!". And as long as the same masala stuff is being churned out again and again, the producers can kiss their careers goodbye. They need to venture out to do innovative films on hardhitting and daring topics. This generation is too intelligent to be messed around with.
  
  Shadotcom,
  lemme say this for the last time. I said IR stopped ruling tfm from 92. ARR took over as the king. I never said IR stopped composing excellent music.
  Quantity does not always matter. In his prime, IR was having the monopoly over TFM. There were just no other competitive MDs around. And IR just went on and on and on. Most of his films disappeared into oblivion. If u still insist on quantity lemme give you something to chew on.
  National awards:
  IR - 3 in 25 yrs.
  ARR - 3 in 11 yrs.
  
  And coming to ur last point...
  I still maintain that IR is a genius. It's just that he must compose stuff which he's comfortable with. With all these yuppy films coming along, IR just does not possess the sound of this generation. To put it the way u put it.. Sivaji Ganesan did not go around acting as a teenager in love did he?
  Think it over.
  
  
• From: Prabhu (@ 203.199.143.149) on: Sun May 25 04:14:24 EDT 2003
  
  ..and with this post curses wins DF Junior Wimbledon!!
  
  

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