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Do we really need them?!!!

Topic started by shwetha (@ 219.65.120.186) on Fri Jan 10 00:56:24 EST 2003.
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Do we really need them? Gaanas!!! They lack in musical content, lyrical content and everything else that it takes to make a song. Even the video for gaanas is so cheap and 3rd rate.

** coca cola brown color daa, enga akka ponnum adhe color daa
coffee- ila bun-a amukku daa, andha combination romba dhool daa
podango, podango, podango, podango **

Indha maari paatu laam thevaya? :-(

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• From: Srinath (@ 129.33.49.251) on: Wed Jan 15 17:30:33 EST 2003
  
  Sivam, it requires a unique level of cerebral deficiency to compose a 'gaana' number. I am not intellectually challenged, ergo I don't go around composing 'gaanas'.
  
  crude : refined :: inferior : superior
  
  ...calling it art is subjective.
  
  As for what songs I like and why I like them, it would be much easier for me if you just searched the archives. I've explained (much others' consternation) in excrutiating detail what I like about those songs :-p Anyway, I don't intend to digress, so, coming back to the topic, 'gaana' is crap and trash and fits to be banished from the realms of humanity.
  
  LLD, nature loves symmetry (my Physics teacher once told me!) - so, as some people become more intelligent, others become more stupid. So, don't be surprised to see even worse forms of trash than 'Gaana' making their appearance in the future ;-)
  
  
• From: Lord LabakuDas (@ 12.162.224.5) on: Wed Jan 15 17:49:01 EST 2003
  
  Srinath,
  :-).Nalla physics teacher..she(shud be a 'she'..illati ivalavu naal njyabagam vachirupeengala??) shud be of good nature to explain nature like that..:-)
  
  Just not noticed..enna 1976-1993'nnu solliteenga?athukappuram pidikalaya?Illa ARR'ukku mariteengala?
  
  
• From: sabesan (@ 67.33.114.13) on: Wed Jan 15 17:49:39 EST 2003
  
  oh - so u r the same old *SRINATH*.... hello sir.... how r u?
  
  anyway, "GAANA is CRAP" - isn't this a little bit TOO much statement ? any reasons ? saying "i don't like GAANA" is different from "gaana is CRAP" isn't it ?
  
  also, does the "thEruKuuthu" songs sung in our "villages" - do they fall under GAANA, or did i get that wrongly ?
  
  as for my opinion on GAANA - this is something that makes anyone "happy" for a small moment of time.... so i like it..... of course there are some "junk" gaana's..... am not talking about that.....
  
  and iam with Sivam on "how can u call one inferior and another superior" ?
  
  
• From: Srinath (@ 66.57.18.157) on: Wed Jan 15 21:37:01 EST 2003
  
  Sabesan, I am fine, thank you! I am honored that you should even remember me :-) I hope you've been doing well too. I think you are confusing folk music with 'gaana'. 'Gaana' has no cultural or social significance. As an art-form it has little value. To the best of my knowledge, it is a fairly recent creation and was unique to Madras until it spread via movies and the college atmosphere to other parts of the state. Yes, I don't doubt it makes some people happy - there are worse things that can make one happy - but that does not make the source of your happiness any greater!
  
  From 'Solam Vedhaikayile' to 'Megham Karukkayile', there's plenty of class in folk/folk-ish music. But not 'gaana' - 'Kavalapadadhe Sagodhara' has NO intrinsic musical value attached to it. It can make someone happy - but it is still an inferior instance of music. From what I've heard of 'gaana' songs, every single instance has been inferior - they've invariably had lyrics that depict the mind of an uneducated, lewd person and they've had music that has little substance. Typically, if you ask any 'gaana' fan, he'll tell you that the music is not the focal point in a 'gaana'. He'll ask you to enjoy the lyrics - I tried, and even on rare occasions when I enjoyed the silly, absurd lyrics, I couldn't for a moment think of this form of music as anything superior to any other form of music I've ever heard. At this point, I have to admit - since I have not heard every single genre of music, it is possible that there might be some form of music worse than 'gaana' - until I come across that, 'gaana' shall and will occupy pride of place as the worst form of music in my dictionary - in other words, 'crap music' ;-)
  
  LLD, physics teacher was a humungous 'HE' :-) Avar kitta vaangina adi innum marakkala, vera onnum illa vishayam :-) See, once again - 1976 - 1993 songs are my favourite songs. It is possible that superior songs might have come before or after that period - just not my cup of tea ;-) I know for a fact that a lot of inferior songs came after that period - hey, before you jump to conclusions - those inferior songs came from all source, including IR, podhuma!!!
  
  
• From: kiru (@ 192.138.150.249) on: Wed Jan 15 22:57:59 EST 2003
  
  Srinath..thanks for the clarifying post. You probably also remember me as a 76-93 music fan :) I am posting in the forum after a small hiatus, mainly because this subject is more sociological than just 'film music'. It is bigger and I am getting old to worry about different 'kazhagams' of music. Not that I dont belong to any kazhagam :) ..But I digress.
  You clearly described the genesis of 'gaana'. It is our equivalent of rap. It is an expression of the 'inner city deprived' class. Yes, I have to agree there is nothing musical in these songs. The lyrics portray a degenerating culture, however true that its existence might be. As Srinath, pointed out about the lyrics, for eg, one song describes a married woman (ava purushanoda avaLa parthEn da) . This is a really really bad development. As a society we have not inherited much materially from our forefathers :( but we do have been given a good cultural legacy ..we cant fritter that away.
  Anyways,I dont think we can do much about 'gaana''s growth. The current westernised economy will provide credibility to anything that has any commerical significance. So, we should surely think about the new 'urban poor' which is bound to grow with more industrial growth.
  I do consider myself a liberal (or EzhaippangAlan as our politicians would like to describe themselves :)) and like to talk like Sivan or Sabesan..Actually, I find certain observations of Sivam (about 'modern beat' songs) funny to the point of utmost honesty. I couldn't control my laughter. I do think inspite of the warring fan factions..these site is still attracting funny, witty and independent thinking people like Sivam, sabesan and shwetha (more confident women (?) posters is a good sign of progress).
  Still Sivam and Sabesan..honestly ..those people singing/patronising 'gaana' need to grow up..mature and straighten their ways.Ofcourse, we all have some social responsibility in help such people too.
  I did have a CD collection of 'gaana' songs..One of them being a pushpavanam kuppusamy/IR song. this song sticks out like a gem in a garbage pile. Our folk songs are the source of our classical music..Listen carefully..you'll see the origins of gamakam in it..many are set to completely one rAgam (unlike some top MDs who cant stick to one rAgam in one song)..So listen to folk..not gaana..
  
  
• From: Lollu Party (@ 61.6.38.132) on: Wed Jan 15 23:10:18 EST 2003
  
  Seeing the last few posts, I think that this entire lash-out against Gaana is nothing but a concealed effort to boost IR.
  
  If IR had composed a few Gaanas, then these very chaps would be praising them and evaluating them. :)
  
  It is the typical IR fan who thinks that he has the god-given right to determine what is good music and what is not.
  Literally LOL.
  
  
• From: sukkarotti (@ 68.113.36.96) on: Thu Jan 16 03:00:07 EST 2003
  
  OOOOo...
  
  sings "Coca cola pola coloruda, enga atha maga athey coloruda... podangO... podangO... PONDAGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO" *dapangoothus around*
  
  SOrry... Had to do that!
  
  Ghana paattu's rock dude! Doesnt matter what stupid lyrics it has... Well, actually it matters... as long as its not so effin crude, its fine. Listen to these songs really carefully, you shouldnt get so mad at these songs, they are suppsoed to humor us... just go.. HEHE.. HOHO, ow that hurts.
  
  
• From: Are Yaar (@ 203.115.31.67) on: Thu Jan 16 03:09:35 EST 2003
  
  Before I make a statement here...Let me make is clear that Gaana songs are the least that I like...
  
  But, I agree with Sivam and others that...I can't say that it is inferior or superior to a music that I like....
  
  As said earlier also, I have heard some Gaanas that talks about education, family and even patriotism...Yes...
  Long ago there was a program in Vijay TV called Naiyaandi Dharbaar.
  
  A Gaana singer was the guest and he sang some song and said the real nature of songs...
  
  Well all art form has its good and bad...supporters and non supporters...
  Bharathanaattiyam..till a century ago was termed as vyshyaa's art form and decent families never evem dreamt of talking about it..Now what happens...It is become one of the marketable factors of a bride...
  
  Gaana might just become that...
  My only request to Kiru and veteran Srinath is don't just belittle an art form...juts because you hate it...give and independent thought...the art might not be superior but nor are people practising that crooks.
  
  
• From: sabesan (@ 67.33.114.13) on: Thu Jan 16 06:13:03 EST 2003
  
  Kiru - nalla porumaiayaaa azhagaaa Srinath solradhaaa polishaaa solli irukeengaa :-)..... nice observation.....
  
  and Srinath..... ungalaaai marakaaa mudiumaaaa.... hmmm "andhaaa oru silaaa nalaaa varudangaaal in newtfmpage" :-).....
  
  anyway, how does one draw a line between "folk" and "gaana" ? if it has a decent lyrics, does it mean, its "folk" ? of course there are "worst" lyrics in many "gaana" songs - why take a bad sheep out and say "everything" is bad ? (oh well, can't blame u guys, cause 90% of today's are like that, but then, each and every art has it in a bad thing right, and this generation's trend is to take the "bad" alone right :-))......
  
  and iam not sure if "gaana" is a CHENNAI version..... what do u call the songs that are sung in our "town/villages" - wherein a guy sings, and a girl (many times ALI) dances - wasn't it GAANA too ? or was it different ?
  
  Kiru - "The lyrics portray a degenerating culture" - well, isn't that true in 50% of today's movie songs (excluding the GAANA) songs ?
  
  
  
  
• From: Youth (@ 203.106.162.116) on: Thu Jan 16 06:22:38 EST 2003
  
  >>>>oh well, can't blame u guys, cause 90% of today's are like that
  
  Today's lyrics are bad?
  Go and take a look at the lyrics of the late 70s and 80s. Children singing them had their behinds smacked by their parents. :)
  
  
• From: sabesan (@ 67.33.114.187) on: Thu Jan 16 07:12:33 EST 2003
  
  Youth - atleast they were able to "sing them".... not like today's lyrics :-).....
  
  but one thing, many illetrate can "improve" their "ENGLISH" knowledge listening to today's TAMIL songs :-).....
  
  sorry for the digression guys.....
  
  
• From: JPM (@ 194.85.200.36) on: Thu Jan 16 08:18:44 EST 2003
  
  I like to think all of us listen to all kinds of music across the spectrum. From heavy Metal to grunge to carnatic to tfm. It all depends on our moods.
  Though Gaanas are not my cup of tea, I do tend to listen to them once in a while. Its like going to a masala movie. Like say Terminator. U know its illogical and u take away your brains and we go out of the way to appreciate it. Same way, gaana songs provide a sense of relief when u r not forced to concentrate on any particular aspect of the song like lyrics, the orchestration, raaga etc. Just listen to the music and the pep in some numbers are rare to come by. my recommendations to those who havent listened to much gaana to check out.. But just dont scrutinize the lyrics or the music.. well paramolam of course... not to forget., paramolam is an instrument having an important part in our lives :)
  1. Ada Sirippu Varuthu Chittappa
  2. Oothikinu Kadichikkuva
  3. Thirupathy Ezhumalai
  
  By saying take of ur brains and listen doesnt mean that the makers of such songs are not creators or talented. They just happen to be talented in such forms of music. We need masala movies. We need good movies. Likewise, we cant be stuck up in classical/conventional forms of music.. we need to freak (!) out once in a while.. and gana songs are fine in that regard ;)
  
  

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