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Copied songs in TFM

Topic started by SRIKANTH (@ 95.minneapolis-07.mn.dial-access.att.net) on Fri Jan 9 19:18:56 EST 1998.
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• From: cram (@ 206.103.12.102) on: Fri Oct 9 11:10:11 EDT 1998
  
  oh, so deva has already poached on ofra haza, has he? chche, this guy is incorrigible. btw, it is rumoured that deva knows next to nothing of even the basic music fundas and that all his hits and duds are "composed" by his "talented" brothers. deva is used as a front because of raasi. in fact, one of his first big hits "yeh kutti munnaala nee" from Indhu was actually a gaana paattu created by a mahaa vetti in life called "kallarai" baalu, a guy who's mission in life is getting stoned and singing in a graveyard somewhere in madras!! sad but true.
  
  another really sad sidelight is the recent death of the wife of one of deva's brothers, of cancer.
  
  
  
  
• From: Novelty_Lover (@ gatesb02-mac-13.stanford.edu) on: Fri Oct 9 16:09:09 EDT 1998
  
  cram : Thanks for these "revealing" insights.
  
  I myself have noticed some of these copies ;-
  I have also noticed that the rap-humming in Iruvar has been repeated as Ishq kar blah blah in Dil Se.
  
  Did u also notice that the rap-humming after the malayalam chorus "golusalle blah blah" is also in the same "tune" ??? :-((
  
  Two repeats in the same album ! Phew!!!!
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.26.190) on: Fri Oct 9 17:41:32 EDT 1998
  
  the song yeh kutti munnale is from a classic film indhu. this had some of the most beautiful songs by deva with meningful lyrics by vaali. an all time best from deva!!!
  
  
• From: cram (@ 206.103.12.102) on: Sat Oct 10 06:07:14 EDT 1998
  
  yeah novelty, dil se was not exactly what i have come to expect fro ARR. but u can't blame that chap. he needs inspiration to come up with gems, something that never stopped IR from giving us some unforgettable numbers. for eg, i recently saw a movie called agal vilakku that has one of his greatest numbers "Yaetho Ninaivugal" by KJY. was shocked to see vijakanth and shobha koothadifying to such a classic. no wonder IR has stopped giving memorable stuff. ippadi paattai kolai pannina!!
  
  
• From: cram (@ 206.103.12.102) on: Sat Oct 10 09:45:11 EDT 1998
  
  shashi, the hindi song u mentioned earlier does not end "meri yaar shabak hai" but " mere yaar shabba khair". the song was lifted note for note by VEDA (antha kaala DEVA)for a song that goes
  un kanngalil yaen intha veruppu
  something something
  aasaiya koabamaa
  aasaiya koabamaa
  
  on copied songs, on sun tv i have seen this song that goes
  kanavu kaanum vaazhkaiyaavum
  kalainthu pogum kolangal
  thuduppu kooda baaram enru
  karaiyai thedum odangal
  
  which is a straight, unabashed lift of kasme vaade pyar wafa from manoj kumar's uphaar. i can't believe IR (sun tv credits the song to neengal kaettavai) would do such a thing. answers anyone?
  
  
• From: aruvi (@ spc-isp-tor-uas-79-25.sprint.ca) on: Sat Oct 10 14:17:56 EDT 1998
  
  cram
  
  IR copied the song because he was totally compelled by the director. He was insistant on IR reproducing that song in tamil. From what I have read.
  
  
• From: Murali sankar (@ 129.252.23.228) on: Sun Oct 11 00:14:44 EDT 1998
  
  Another song pair which look very similar in emotions are:
  
  "Kangal Engay Nenjamum Engay" by P.Susheelam (Great Man !) and "Maalayil Yaaro Manathodu Pesa " by Swarnalatha (Blown up!). hope Raja has derived his inspiration from that song. the first and second lines are extremely similar. But still I do not feel that IR has copied because the songs have their own individual impact.
  
  regards
  
  Murali Sankar
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.26.190) on: Sun Oct 11 00:41:44 EDT 1998
  
  murali,
  IR is said to have got inspiration for that song from the hindi song 'khilte hain gul yahan' sung by kishore in the film sharmili. IR is a fan of SD burman.
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.22.246) on: Mon Oct 12 00:09:48 EDT 1998
  
  deva's latest
  
  april maathathile (vaali) - interlude music fom 'one night in bangkok' sung by murray head
  
  
• From: shankar (@ webgate0.mot.com) on: Mon Oct 12 09:42:35 EDT 1998
  
  cram,
  Read my earlier posting to see why IR redid the song as Kanavu kAnum.
  It was Balumahendra who insisted on that.
  
  
• From: Ramani (@ ecarh29c.nortel.ca) on: Thu Oct 15 04:06:42 EDT 1998
  
  Guys,
  It was told by Gangai Amaran in a program that
  (few years back) the hindi song 'Ek Do teen' from Tezaab is
  actually copied from ' ANNe aNNE sippai aNNE' tune kOzhi koovudhu..
  Try singing them ;-) KOzhi koovudhu released before Tezaab
  
  
• From: UV (@ webgate0.mot.com) on: Thu Oct 15 07:06:28 EDT 1998
  
  ramani,
  kOzhi koovudhu was released a decade bfore Tezaab :-))
  
  
• From: shankar (@ webgate0.mot.com) on: Thu Oct 15 08:21:42 EDT 1998
  
  The song monalisa by our great Xerox deva is a ulta of Madhanotsavam radhiyOdu thAn.
  Any thoughts??
  
  
• From: copier_of_copiers (@ horus.erlm.siemens.de) on: Thu Oct 15 10:04:47 EDT 1998
  
  shankar,
  I feltt its combination of madhanOtsavam radhiyOdu thaan + samsaaram enbathu veeNai.. [esp.ly maNam kuNam ondraanaaa mullai...twist!]..
  Old SPB's voice which I have been longing far..
  btw, is rOja malarE by Deva? I thought its somebody!
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.22.246) on: Thu Oct 15 11:14:52 EDT 1998
  
  its not by deva, definitely.
  
  
• From: NaNbaN (@ pa-max-ppp30.monmouth.com) on: Thu Oct 15 12:00:06 EDT 1998
  
  I don't know whether this copied song was posted altready in the thread.
  
  1. The song in DIL SE sung by Sonu Nigam "sat Rangi Re.. Rangi re.. " seems like a Punjabi or Hindi version of "Urvasi Urvasi.. Take it easy urvasi.." - kaadhalan.
  
  2. "Kabhi kabhi ka.." - DIL SE sung by lata I guess. The 0pening Heavy Electic Guitar seems to me as a straight lift from PINK FLOYD Album WALL or is it again juts a coincedence as ARR always says.
  
  But I like to hear the DILSE songs putting aside all these things.
  
  Unnmieudan,
  NaNbaN
  
  
• From: shankar (@ webgate0.mot.com) on: Fri Oct 16 00:29:31 EDT 1998
  
  Vijay,
  I don't know whether Monalisa is from Roja malare
  
  
• From: Venkat (@ webgate0.mot.com) on: Fri Oct 16 14:33:20 EDT 1998
  
  If we take the film pudhu Pudhu arthangal By IR
  Keeladi Kanmani was from Teezab song is sogya
  
  
  
• From: balaji (@ compq1.crhc.uiuc.edu) on: Fri Oct 16 16:34:15 EDT 1998
  
  venkat: it was the other way round. sogaya yeh jahaan, was stolen from keladi kanmani.
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.26.189) on: Fri Oct 16 18:28:52 EDT 1998
  
  i do not understand the similiarity between the above 2 songs. except perhaps for the first 2 words which seem to be somewhat similiar sounding the rest of the 2 songs are completely different in both tune and orchestration.
  
  
• From: Srinath (@ 205-92-51.ipt.aol.com) on: Fri Oct 16 23:02:22 EDT 1998
  
  Keladi Kanmani was copied as "Chandni Raat hai" in one of Salman Khan's early movies - Baaghi. Suggesting that IR copied Sogaya is like saying Beethoven's Choral Symphony was copied from "Yankee Doodle went to town..."
  
  
• From: SR Kaushik (@ nova1.cs.wisc.edu) on: Sat Oct 17 00:16:13 EDT 1998
  
  Well said, Srinath.
  
  
• From: G.Suresh (@ begis50.swift.com) on: Mon Oct 19 14:45:25 EDT 1998
  
  Guys I feel 'nenjinilae nenjinilae..' from uiyre sounds similar to 'Thee Thee thithikkum Thee..' from thiruda thiruda atleast in terms of beat , Does anyone else feel the same?
  
  
• From: Ramani (@ gatekeeper.wipsys.soft.net) on: Wed Oct 21 07:16:31 EDT 1998
  
  Guys,
  
  Just check out the song 'narumugaiye..narumugaiye'
  in Iruvar.. Sing it 2-3 times(2,3rd lines) and then sing
  'thangaman inru singa nadai pOttu' from Basha..
  
  Looks like ARR listened to this song before Iruvar ;-)
  
  
• From: Srikanth (@ slip-32-101-16-178.il.us.ibm.net) on: Wed Oct 21 08:47:30 EDT 1998
  
  Hi Mr.Ramami,
  Thagamgan is (a irregular) Kedaram based song, changes as it likes, has no tune in the saranam.
  
  Narumugaye is Nattai based and changes to different ragam. Also a excellent tune and renedered perfectly by Bombay Jaishree and Unni. Not like Thagamgan - Saranam and other parts have a "thoivu" or a hole in the score.
  KJY and Chitra tried thier best to improvise it. The credit goes to them rather than DEVA who hobby, profession, business is copying.
  
  Both the ragas are similar. It is not copy.
  
  
• From: shankar (@ webgate0.mot.com) on: Wed Oct 21 10:02:50 EDT 1998
  
  "multiple-inheritance" (hence forth called -MI)ARR has got some inspirations from "james Horner" in Jeans' BGM and the starting of athisayam (flute piece).
  
  
• From: Shashi (@ eed02990.mayo.edu) on: Wed Oct 21 12:56:57 EDT 1998
  
  I was listening to 'Bombay, Madras, Delhi...' song from Ratchagan. All of a sudden it hit me that this song's starting lines are nothing but the famous nursery rhyme 'Old McDonald had a farm, eeaa, eeaa Oh.
  
  Now try singing Old McDonald had a farm three times and then sing eeaa, eeaa oh as the fourth line--- Wallah.. you have 'bombay madras delhi song.
  
  
• From: Nitin (@ scott.cs.berkeley.edu) on: Wed Oct 21 13:20:50 EDT 1998
  
  Ya, sure, Sashi!!!!:))) Whatever you say!
  
  
• From: Shashi (@ eed02990.mayo.edu) on: Wed Oct 21 14:03:42 EDT 1998
  
  Hi Nitin
  
  If you don't beleive me try playing both the songs yourself on any instrument. The notes are basically the same with one small difference. Bombay madras.. song starts after "samam" or "thatu" whearas Old McDonald starts with "samam or thatu".
  
  Notes in both cases are Sa Sa Pa D2 D2 Pa for the first 3 lines and the 4th line is G3 G3 R2 R2 Sa (ie the eeaa eeaa oh portion)
  
  If you read my posting I never mention that he copied from this rhyme. It is just an interesting coincidence.
  
  Yesterday I happen to watch a commercial for Chrysler concorde. I thought towards the mid portion a melody starts which was very similar if not same as the "Kaatu Vazhiye oor karachaan kuruvihala.." This is that high pitched somewhat irritating prelude to Thaiya Thaiya in Uyire. Has anybody noticed this before?
  
  
• From: srikanth (@ proxy1.dpn.deere.com) on: Wed Oct 21 14:07:10 EDT 1998
  
  In Uyere,
  Thaiya Thaiya : The saranam part is nothing but Harihiri Nandhinee solkam.
  
  Srikanth
  
  
• From: Ravi (@ 208.156.33.82) on: Wed Oct 21 15:39:10 EDT 1998
  
  copier_of_copiers,
  
  The MD for Roja Malare is Adityan.
  
  

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