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Copied songs in TFM

Topic started by SRIKANTH (@ 95.minneapolis-07.mn.dial-access.att.net) on Fri Jan 9 19:18:56 EST 1998.
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• From: Shashi (@ eed02990.mayo.edu) on: Thu Oct 1 18:52:33 EDT 1998
  
  Listen to Dilse/Uyire and pick out the following inspirations!!
  
  1. Thayya Thayya... Now the verse Thayya Thayya is a couplet; try humming the second thayya thayya (i.e., the one that ends in Sa)---you will find that you are humming the starting interlude guitar portion of the song "Kana kaaNum KaNNgal mella.." (this guitar peice also repeats numerous times in the song just before the words Kana kaaNum)
  
  2. KaNNeere... song next. Somebody already mentioned that the starting few lines(sung at a high pitch by ARR) resembles the lines "Nee Aadai aNigalan soodum araigaLil Roja malligai vaasam" from Neethane endhan pon vasantham. They are right it is the same notes but sung at a higher pitch. This can be excused as Sudhadhanyasi is the most common scale used in Western-Rock music
  
  3. Enuyire... This song is heavily inspired by the song Chappa chappa charka chale... in Machis. Hats of to Vishal Bharadwaj (MD) in inspiring ARR. Anybody who has listened to both these songs can immediately pick out the similarities--it is just amazing! However, I will concede that the accordion peice which ARR has introduced in this song is wonderful.
  
  4. Poongatrile... In this song the first humming peice by the female singer is a continuation of the interludes from a song in Rangeela sung by Suresh Wadkar initially and in the tamil version sung by Unnikrishnan as "Kadhale enge sendrayo.." or something like that. The inital 2 lines of Poongatrile sung by Unnimenon is similar to a Hindi song "Kaate nahi kathe hai dil ke baat..."or something like that. I dont know the name for this movie. However rest of this song is very well composed. At least the humming portions have a lot of Keeravani touch with some G3 at times. Interesting to note that this song seems to be the favorite among the TFM-DF survey (please see survey at the start of this forum). Could this be because most Raja fans are well accustomed to Keeravani and they see similarities? (I personally feel Keeravani played well is going to sound the same and hence the similarity and I would not blame ARR for this)
  
  5. Nenjinile.... This song stands out. I cannot see any inspirations other than it being mostly in Dharbari Kannada which gives a feeling that the notes are similar to Kalyana thennila... or Agaya Vennilave... in Mounam Samatham and ArangetraVellai respectively. Just one comment I liked the Hindi version for this song especially since Gulzar has done much better than VM. My only problem with this song is that the words in the 2nd and 3rd stanza appear crammed and do not fit with adequate room!; hence it appears that you are either rushing thru at that particular portion or else you have a mouthful of words to spit in a limited time.
  
  Overall the bass score is rather dominant and at times sticks out like a sore thumb at times. Recording is excellent, however variety of instruments used is poor except in Nenjinile interludes.
  
  
• From: Shashi (@ fw1xlate1.mayo.edu) on: Thu Oct 1 23:00:18 EDT 1998
  
  Oh I almost forgot to mention.
  
  Regarding Thayya Thayya..song; the starting lines after thayya thayya that opens the pallavi sound very similar to the lines 'Aasan hai aana mehfil me....' the very popular hindi song--most people know this song as 'Meri yaar Shabak hai' song. This hindi song is sung in most lightmusic programs as the goodbye song. The lines 'meri yaar shabak hai' means 'well wishes my friend' or something like that. This is an extremely popular song and using the opening lines of this song for the thayya thayya song is a great move (makes it very catchy since people have heard it before and can tune into it easily).
  
  
• From: aruvi (@ spc-isp-tor-uas-87-20.sprint.ca) on: Fri Oct 2 00:22:04 EDT 1998
  
  Don't any of you think that since some of the tunes for various instruments may sound similar because they are in the same ragas. Another reason may be that since MD's also grew up listening to songs, they might unconsiously use tunes that they loved. For example, a music director, I believe his name was Kumar was here in Canada a while back. He was giving an interview on the 24 HR tamil radio. He said that he knew Rahman's father well. He also said that rahman was inspired by his father. By inspire, I mean that when you hear someones work a lot ( music wise) your mind clings on to the memory. Anyways, he said that Rahman's "Odakada kadiko" in Gentlemen was similar to the song that rahman's father composed in a malayalam song. I think I remember it as being " kozhi onnai pudichu" or something like that.
  
  
• From: Murali Sankar (@ l-1d29-08.me.sc.edu) on: Fri Oct 2 02:21:21 EDT 1998
  
  Dear shashi,
  
  regarding dhiya jaley:
  
  I personally feel that the song has minimal resemblance in notes with Chappa Chappa. But you are right in one way - the "santham" of the two songs are some what similar. Please try singing "aagaya Vennilavae". the "vennilavae" sounds extremely similar to "Dhiya jale" line's ending. I personally feel that the song is more of IR inspired. the choral background and the melody immediately made me think that it is an IR song.
  
  Regards
  
  Murali Sankar
  
  
• From: Shashi (@ eed02990.mayo.edu) on: Fri Oct 2 14:30:34 EDT 1998
  
  Dear Murali Sankar
  
  I think you misread my posting. The song that is heavily inspired by chappa chappa is "Enuyire or in Hindi Tu hi tu..Satrani re".
  
  Dhiya jale is Nenjinile in tamil, and I do agree that it is in Dharbari Kanada predominantly. Hence it tends to resemble aagaya Vennilave or Kalyana Thenila.
  
  Please note that when I say they have been inspired by these songs--they DO NOT REPRESENT DIRECT LIFTS OR COPYING. I agree with Aruvi's posting; over the years all these songs you hear tend to have an influence on a MD's composition.
  
  
• From: Murali Sankar (@ 129.252.23.156) on: Fri Oct 2 21:44:01 EDT 1998
  
  Dear Sashi,
  
  Sorry for the mixup of lyrics.
  
  regards
  
  Murali Sankar
  
  
• From: Srinivas (@ scproxy3.sc.intel.com) on: Mon Oct 5 16:00:29 EDT 1998
  
  Looks like the small accordion loop in "SAtragirE" is getting "rave reviews" from everyone.
  My take on the matter :-
  
  There are 3 possibilities.
  
  1. It is actually a Sufi/Muslim chant that was converted to an accordion piece. ARR has done this before in the VandE Matharam album for the song "Only You", where he has acknoledged that the "ooooo" humming is a muslim prayer.
  
  2. It is a "sampling from the keyboard". Again there are several cases of ARR having done this. Eg - The accidental resemblance of "Teliphone Manipol" to Ace of Base, humming piece in "Tillana Tillana"
  
  3. It is an absolutely original piece.
  
  Based on ARR's past record, we may assign probabilities 0.3, 0.6 and 0.1 to 1, 2 and 3.
  
  In the unlikely case that this is INDEED an original composition by ARR :-),
  Well : Who CARES? It is not such a great piece anyway. :-))
  
  
• From: Geetha (@ gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk) on: Thu Oct 8 11:23:39 EDT 1998
  
  Sashi/Murali Shankar: I can't agree with you guys that Jiya Jale is predominantly in Dharbari Kanada, it's more NATABAIRAVHI. Have you heard the actual 'inspiration for this'? It's a Natabairavhi Thillana type piece I heard rendered by RaviShankar(The Sitar Maestro), where his group sing Nadhru Dhani thomdhrdhani Thakaa nakaa Jhum Jhum DhiranaDheem DhiranaDheem Dheem Dheem......The structures are definitely 'inspired' from this piece. Another film song in this Ragam is Kalyana Maalai from Pudhu Pudhu Arthangal.
  
  
• From: Shashi (@ fw1xlate1.mayo.edu) on: Thu Oct 8 18:42:02 EDT 1998
  
  Hi Geetha
  
  I agree that the fundamental scale on which Nenjinile is composed is Natabhairavi scale. However, at various occasions--example-start of anupallavi--the notes S R2 M1 P N2 phrase and the way G2 is showed (as a glide from M1) all are reminiscent of Dharbari Kaanada. At other places there is definitely shades of Natabhairavi.
  
  One other song of Raja has similar usage. It is "Isai medayil inba velayil suga raagam pozhiyum, iLLamai nerukam, irunthum kalakam...." The pallavi has Natabhairavi progression and the anupallavi and charanam have shades of Dharbari Kaanada.
  
  Bye
  
  
• From: copier_of_copiers (@ horus.erlm.siemens.de) on: Fri Oct 9 01:38:36 EDT 1998
  
  people..
  I was told tht"we will, we will rock you" had been "dubbed" in tamil recently like "we are, we are bad boys" in some recent movie.. [nialvE vaa?]
  
  is tht really true?
  
  
• From: cram (@ 206.103.12.102) on: Fri Oct 9 09:30:59 EDT 1998
  
  hi friends, cram here. nice topic u got going here. the first time i heard dil se, i got a feeling that in the song "jiya jale", somewhere there is a part reminiscent of the stanza that goes "sivanidam thuninthavan evanidam anjuvaan" from maappillaikku maman manasu from netrikkann. listen to the song closely and i am sure you'll agree. do the two songs share some raga funda? i wouldn't know as my ignorance of carnatic music tenets is phenomenal.
  
  ARR has also repeated himself in the song tu hi tu satrangi re, in the part where a female keeps "singing" ishq par zor nahi, which technique he used in "hello mr opposition party" from iruvar, where harini keeps saying "kangal imayai printhalum"..blah blah.
  
  talking of ARR's lifting notes from all over the world, i could provide an entire list. here goes:
  
  opening lines paarkaathe paarkathe panchaangathe paarkaathe, from gentleman, are a straight lift of kilele kilele aao aao kilele by that rotten group osibisa, who created this song for indian rasikas during their indian tour.
  
  kuluvalile, the bass guitar opening is a straight lift from Micheal jackson's billie jean.
  
  poovukkul olinthirukkum's (jeans) opening humming is another straight lift from jackson's heal the world.
  
  ARR's favourite lifting haunt is the African music album called deep forest. the opening lines from thillana, thillana are an example.
  
  there was a supehit number by paul young called life of the common people, the opening beat of which was lifted straight for akkada in indian, which ARR had already copied in malargale, malargale from love birds.
  
  in the little known movie called pavithra, he tuned a number that goes "mottu vittatha mottu mottu vittathaa" that's a straight lift from a London-based Arabic (trashy) band called Ofra Haza.
  
  but of course, ARR's copies at least sound good, unlike Deva's, who hasn't spared even Thyagabrahmam (manam virumbuthe unnai) or that devotional song which appeared as 18 vayathu ilam mottu manathu (sooryan). why, the besharam has even copied the Paki band Junoon's sayonee in prashant's new film. what an unpatriotic guy.
  
  cathc u later, friends.
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.22.246) on: Fri Oct 9 10:41:46 EDT 1998
  
  ofra haza again!! already deva copied from this band the song 'thilothamma' in aasai!
  
  

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