IR's songs with emotional appeals....

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IR's songs with emotional appeals.... IR's songs with emotional appeals....

Topic started by Raghu (@ 212.2.14.241) on Thu May 9 06:02:07 EDT 2002.
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Can we pls list some of IR's songs which were full of emotion, starting with

1) Kaadavul ullame o karunai ullame - Anbulla Rajnikanth

2) Uchi vahuntheduthu pichi poo - Rosaa poo ravukkai kaari- by SPB

3) Thempandi cheemayile - Nayakan - BY IR & Kamal

4) thakidathathame -Salanghai Oli - by SPB

5) Raaja enbar manthiri enbaar - Bhuvana oru ? - BY SPB+SJ

Responses:

Old responses
From: ROTFL (@ 210.186.51.172) on: Thu May 16 06:53:46 EDT 2002

Peeps

The situation which u said abt that feelings of abandonment by the children and the emotional support given by the wife to the husband is very unique one and i hope there wont be many songs for that situation..

Not really. A similar situation arose in Vietnam Veedu with Sivaji & Padmini.
And another emotional packed song was born - Un kannil neer vazhinthaal en nenjil uthiram kottuthadi!!!

Is that all? No! How about the super-emotional
Yaarai nambi naan poranthen pongadaa ponga?

To my small knowledge abt TFM i dont think IR scored any song for tht kind of situation..

Can I consider this as a small victory? :)

i know bringing BGM in this thread is digressing

Yes you are right. Let's stop it here. :)

Who scored the song "Samsaaram athu minsaaram" from SAM.Is it IR?Please enlighten me..:-)

No, certainly not IR. Could be Shankar-Ganesh.
Are you going to add on to the "after-IR" section? :)
From: Gone? (@ 210.186.51.172) on: Thu May 16 06:54:41 EDT 2002

Sorry!
From: ROTFL (@ 210.186.51.172) on: Thu May 16 06:55:26 EDT 2002

Please see Old Responses for my response to Tigger, Yaaro & Kupps.
From: peeps (@ 12.162.224.6) on: Thu May 16 07:31:31 EDT 2002

ROTFL,
Thats why i added "to my small knowledge"..
Is my less knowledge in TFM a victory for you?:-)
There may be songs by IR for tht situation..Pisths like eden,yaaro and kupps might be knowing that..lets wait..
From: ROTFL (@ 210.186.51.158) on: Thu May 16 08:12:45 EDT 2002

No Peeps, I was just kidding.

Even at the end of the day, if I manage to prove that many MDs have done similar stuff as IR, I still won't consider it as a victory, but as an educational process. :)

BTW, I too think IR has not had an opportunity to score for a similar-situational song.
From: Raghu (@ 212.2.14.241) on: Thu May 16 08:30:52 EDT 2002

adra adra semai potti :))
From: peeps (@ 12.162.224.6) on: Thu May 16 09:03:40 EDT 2002

ROTFL,
Then can we remove that song from the list ROTFL?
If IR is not given an opportunity then how can he score?:-)
My list of emotions in which IR is unparalled is
1)Amma sentiment songs
2)Children songs
3)Than thunaikaga yengi thavikkum songs..both female and male..
4)vizha paadalgal or happy songs..kovil,kalyanam,valai kaapu,seemantham..u name it he has done it
From: Raghu (@ 212.2.14.241) on: Thu May 16 09:29:48 EDT 2002

Can anybody much IR's "Amma endru azhaikatha uyir illaiye", by KJY?,
From: sabesan (@ 170.35.240.203) on: Thu May 16 09:35:34 EDT 2002

not sure if this song has been mentioned....

Ponmeni, Uruguthaeeey.....

it does evoke *some EMOTION* does'nt it :-)
From: ROTFL (@ 210.186.51.194) on: Thu May 16 09:39:56 EDT 2002

Peeps

How is that possible? In his days, IR had plenty of opportunities compared to say, VS Narasiman. Does that mean you would accept that Narasimman is the best, because he would have scored well, if given the chance. :)

My list of emotions in which IR is unparalled is

Good. You have come down from global emotional songs to particular kinds.

1)Amma sentiment songs
It is an irrefutable fact that IR gave many more Amma sentiment songs compred to any other single MD.

But there had been plenty of amma songs then and now. Some samples:

1. Amma enbathu thamizh vaarthai
2. Thaayai sirantha kovilum illei
3. Thayillaamal naanillai
4. Petha manam endrum theivam theivam
5. Thaayin madiyil thalai vaithirunthaal

2)Children songs
No way!
1. Ammaavum neeye appavum neeye
2. Selvangaley theivangal vaazhum nenjangale
3. Anbai kurippathu aanaa
4. Thathi sellum muthu kannan sirippu
5. Sirithu vaazha vendum

3)Than thunaikaga yengi thavikkum songs..both female and male..
Plenty
1. Nee varuvaai ena naan irunthen
2. Vasanthathil or naal manavarai kolam, vaidehi kaathirunthaalo
3. Kaathiruntha kannggale
4. Vazhi meethu vizhi vaithu
5. Enge aval endre manam enguthe aavalai odi vaa

4)vizha paadalgal or happy songs..kovil,kalyanam,valai kaapu,seemantham..u name it he has done it

And so has everybody. In fact the older, the merrier. :)

1. Poonchittu kannanngal ... ponggal
2. Unnai kandu naanaada .... theebavali
3. Manamagale marumagale vaa vaa ... kalyaanam
4. Vaarayen thozhi vaaraayo ... kalyaanam
5. Poi vaa magale poi vaa ... send off
6. Whole host of Murugan songs from Deivam, Thiruvarul, Thunaivan, etc
7. Thirunirai chelvi managaiyarkkarasi ... vaazhthu
8. Poo mudipaal intha poonguzhali ... actual wedding
9. Kingini kingini ena varum maatha kovil mani osai - Christmas
10. Elloarum kondaaduvom - Eid

:)
From: ROTFL (@ 210.186.51.194) on: Thu May 16 09:42:26 EDT 2002

Sabesan
I better not comment on this.
Erkkanave, Gowri has said that this is the greatest contribution of IR... :)
From: tigger (@ 205.219.204.23) on: Thu May 16 09:50:44 EDT 2002

...But we are not comparing who is the best king? One party (actually four - Eden, Tigger, Kupps, Yaaro) is saying that RRC is the best in, say giving donations. Another party (me) is saying that there have been many kings previously who have been greater donors... rotfl

you are basically adding up the sums that other kings give in their lifetimes and then saying it is at least as great as what RRC gave in his lifetime.

I need some time for your other points, so I'll get back on that. This one was so easy!
From: sabesan (@ 170.35.240.203) on: Thu May 16 09:52:47 EDT 2002

ROTFL :-)..... anyway, certainly i do not like that song, mainly cause, that laid the path for the "eppadi, eppadi" kind of songs in future....
IMHO....

by the way, about the list u guys are doing - why are u doing it ? end of the day, for sure, there is going to be some songs done by any other MD, whatever IR has done..... so what is the point ? *WE* will still say IR is the *undisputed KING* and *OTHERS* will say "NO WAY" :-)..... same old, same old :-).... but anyway, one thing good about the list is, many will get to know lot of songs now..... go ahead, lets all have fun....
From: sarat (@ 128.192.5.157) on: Thu May 16 09:59:55 EDT 2002

Some Bad news..

I wrote the RPO about Raaja's symphony...
This is what Tim Andrews has to say...

"I understand that there are no plans to release the recording. I am
sorry, but I don't have any further information that this."

I dont know if this has been posted before.
From: Kupps (@ 156.153.255.126) on: Thu May 16 10:03:10 EDT 2002

ROTFL,

fine u say that there are many instance of emotion packed songs in pre-IR era.

eden claims that IR is King in emotions-in-songs.

my contention is, ur statement doesn't satisfy to negate eden's claim. "Look, it has been done before, may be better" is not enough to disprove that IR is the King in emotion songs.

That is why i repeatedly say that if u want to disprove eden's claim show that a pre-IR MD who has done more emotion songs(more emotion songs include different types of emotion songs, done better than IR in a particular emotion in many songs).

As you say, yes, we are not comparing who is the better king, fine. But, we have a set of people, a few persons claim that one among those people is King, how would you like to prove that that person is not the King? Wud u say that all others collectively do better than the person in question?

Finally, eden's claim is IR is the King in emotion songs. His/Her claim is not "before IR has done there was no emotion songs". Your point is answer for the later statement which is not at all made. Btw, ur answer for the later statement is infact more than a answer bcos in some instances u may/can quote a better peer in pre-IR era.

When X says A is the only person who has all possible good qualities. Then, if Y wants to disprove Y has to show another person, say B who has all possible good qualities (it might be great that B might have a few good qualities that are not in A). But Y cannot disprove saying that others-except-A have all those possible good qualities (or even, have a few good qualities that are not in A).

Hope im clear.
From: WN (@ 203.24.100.133) on: Thu May 16 10:07:41 EDT 2002

"you are basically adding up the sums that other kings give in their lifetimes and then saying it is at least as great as what RRC gave in his lifetime."
I dont think it is ROTFL's intention to dethrone IR jus to replace him wit another one (then he wont be any different from u ppl), wat he is getting across is tat tis whole idea of glorifying one single MD as a king (in tis area) is wrong. So he is saying tis whole process of monarchy is wrong. When someone tells a robber, "stop! dont break into the house", wud he turn around and ask "then which house shud i break into?" it's not the house tat is wrong, it is the process of breaking into it. ok far-fetched analogy, but i hope someone understands wat i'm saying.

btw, rotfl: great going! u r a wizard ;-)
u mus be making OISG a proud man. :-)
From: ROTFL (@ 203.106.139.94) on: Thu May 16 10:35:51 EDT 2002

Tigger

you are basically adding up the sums that other kings give in their lifetimes and then saying it is at least as great as what RRC gave in his lifetime.

No additions here. All I am saying is that some of the earlier kings have given equal if not greater amounts. Individually.
Remember we are comparing song by song.

Sabesan
by the way, about the list u guys are doing - why are u doing it ? end of the day, for sure, there is going to be some songs done by any other MD, whatever IR has done.....

Aaa. And then we shall all agree that IR is not the King of these kind of songs.

so what is the point ? *WE* will still say IR is the *undisputed KING* and *OTHERS* will say "NO WAY"

Don't come to a conclusion so fast. As at now, there has not been a single song given by me that has been refuted.

Talking about listing. Since it is 1 against 5, can I ask for five songs for every song I list? :)

but anyway, one thing good about the list is, many will get to know lot of songs now..... go ahead, lets all have fun....

Great spirit. The more we know, the more we realise how little we know. :)
From: tigger (@ 205.219.204.23) on: Thu May 16 10:45:41 EDT 2002

1. Ponaal pogattum podaa intha boomiyil nilaiyaai vaazhnthavan yaaradaa
2. Aadi adangum vaazhkkaiyadaa aaradi nilame sonthamadaa
3. Annaiyin madiyil thodangiya vaazhkkai mannin madiyil mudigindrathu
4. Ullathin nalla ullam urangaathenbathu vallavan vagithathadaa
5. Thanneerile thaamaraipoo thallaaduthe alaigalile
6. Vaazhve maayam intha vaazhve maayam.

vaanam thottu pona engey, intha aaru paadalgalum enge! Are we talking about the same things ... or are we from the same planet? :)

..I agree that both Oru thanga rathathil and Poovile medai are good songs. But do they emote strong emotions? Nahi! You're right, they are not emotion-packed... rotfl
I listed songs that evoked strong emotions, not just songs that showed emotions on screen. The style of filmmaking and consequently the songs evolve slowly. 60s and 70s everything had to be spelt out for the viewer. Later on there was more finesse, but the emotions they evoke are the same. Poovile medai evoked greater feelings in me than malarum malaraadha.

And what is with this subtle stuff? Don't change goalposts mid-way in the game! Emotions are strong feelings - you don't cry over subtlety...rotfl
machi, emotions does not mean ONLY crying. that's what I meant by being subtle. Maybe Nambiar was the biggest villain in your book and you seethed with rage (a very strong emotion) when you heard him say "dey peter, ivana thooki yennai kinarula podu". The smooth talking villain of Mahanadhi evoked greater emotions in me. Quoting a "great" soul: The more we know, the more we realise how little we know. :)

..I also know that such stuff has been done equally well, if not better, before and after IR...
...What I am trying to say is "Look, it has been done before, may be better..." ...

from "done equally well", you have come down to "done before". Let me make one thing clear - if you claim later in some thread that I said IR "introduced" emotional songs, I'll surely blow up. (remember the village songs thread?)

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