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IR's songs with emotional appeals....

Topic started by Raghu (@ 212.2.14.241) on Thu May 9 06:02:07 EDT 2002.
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Can we pls list some of IR's songs which were full of emotion, starting with

1) Kaadavul ullame o karunai ullame - Anbulla Rajnikanth

2) Uchi vahuntheduthu pichi poo - Rosaa poo ravukkai kaari- by SPB

3) Thempandi cheemayile - Nayakan - BY IR & Kamal

4) thakidathathame -Salanghai Oli - by SPB

5) Raaja enbar manthiri enbaar - Bhuvana oru ? - BY SPB+SJ

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Responses:

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• From: peeps (@ 12.162.224.6) on: Wed May 15 07:02:53 EDT 2002
  
  no jalra,
  PARITHABAM on other MD's who cant produce such beauties?he he
  
  
• From: Raghu (@ 212.2.14.241) on: Wed May 15 07:16:43 EDT 2002
  
  Peeps;
  
  Ha ha, good one :)))
  
  
• From: ROTFL (@ 210.186.51.194) on: Wed May 15 09:50:55 EDT 2002
  
  Tigger
  
  please dont let ROTFL get away. Please give a list of, say, 10 songs and lets see how he responds.
  
  Why should I get away? Rest assured I intend to stay. :)
  
  Remember he promised to give matching songs from both old and new (90s) movies.
  
  Please reproduce what I said. Not that I can't do what you have said, but I hate to be misquoted.
  
  I think he has painted himself into a corner here, so it will be fun to watch.. :)
  
  Ennai kavukka, ippadi ethanai peyer kilambi irukkareenga? :)
  No problemo!
  
  
  Yaaro
  how old are you?
  Old enough as old can be. :)
  Just celebrated my birthday. Still very young. :)
  
  
  Kupps
  we would pick one MD's creation and compare it IR's creation and decide and move on to another MD. If that is the case then listing songs by different MDs will give a kanpeensan.
  
  No, no. That's not how it was. Let me summarise very quickly how we have reached here...........
  
  It all started when Eden said that IR is the King of emotional-packed songs.
  Obviously I could not let THAT go unchallenged. :)
  So, I mentioned "ithai neengal arinthuthaan sollgareergalaa?"
  That set the templers flaring. Kupps replied by saying that Eden meant that IR was a king among many and quoted mahabaaratham. :)
  I disagreed on the meaning and Kupps got angry. :)
  Eden came back and said that he EXACTLY meant what I had understood.
  So, I asked him to give me five IR songs and I will match them with non-IR songs.
  Since then there has been a lot of ding-donging without a clear direction.
  
  
• From: ROTFL (@ 210.186.51.194) on: Wed May 15 09:59:59 EDT 2002
  
  Eden
  
  You blame the MD (non IR) for the fault of the singer but won't give credit to the singers when IT MDs. IMO lots of songs of IR has been given "uyir" by SP Bala. How can you consider them to be only-IR song?
  
  To me a song comprises three major components - the lyrics, the music and the singers. When all three rise to the ocassion you have a wonderful song.
  
  You have posted an impressive list
  
  Thanks for being impressed.
  
  but where is the performance of MD in each of that song,
  
  Remember the three components? Do you think Thannan thanimaiyile would be where it is withot the pathos tune? Do you think Engey nimmathi would be where it is without the music? :)
  
  Now you probably understood why IR is rated as King:-))
  
  Eden, this is just a shot at the dark. You are hoping to hit targets.
  Better luck next time. :)
  
  Why don't you give me five of the best of IR and let me match them?
  (Inside me I have a curious feeling that you are well-versed with TFM before IR and know the power packed songs of the period. Maybe your love for IR is not allowing you to admit this. :) )
  
  
• From: ROTFL (@ 210.186.51.194) on: Wed May 15 10:06:43 EDT 2002
  
  OK, let me take the bull by its horns and ask ANYBODY to match these songs with any IR songs:
  
  Old age - Thannan thanimaiyile, udal thallaadum vayathinile
  The song must reflect clearly the feelings of abandonment by the children and the emotional support given by the wife to the husband.
  
  Helplessness - Enge nimmathi enge nimmathi, ange enakkor idam vendum
  Your song must reproduce the restlessness feeling complete with feelings of being trapped.
  
  Sibling love - Malarnthum malaraatha paathi malar pola
  Just give me any song that so beautifully paints the love between a brother and sister. Don't thanga rathathil me - give me a emotion-charged song. :)
  
  
• From: Vj (@ 202.9.151.201) on: Wed May 15 11:24:50 EDT 2002
  
  well well well.... even if someone posts equivalents, am very sure that ROTFL or someone will come up with another set of "Do-it-yourself"... better get back to the thread rather than "you-challenge-me-i-challege-you"....It might lead to unnecessary stuffs,period.
  
  
• From: tigger (@ 205.219.204.23) on: Wed May 15 11:51:14 EDT 2002
  
  Sibling:
  * pooviley medai naan podavaa - murali starrer - maniratnam's early movie, remember the line "nooru nooru jenman, koodi nindru vaazhum, varamum vendi dhinamum thavam irukkum...
  * oru thanga rathathil - dharmayudham
  
  So you thought thanga rathathil was the only classic IR bro-sis song, eh? and you thought it was a master stroke with the "dont thangarathathil me"! Anyway, what's wrong with the song? not too emotion-packed for you, eh? Though you are young looks like you belong to the old school, and dont know "subtle" even if it hits you in the face :). "emotion-charged song", I believe!
  
  Helplessness:
  azhagu malar aada - vaidehi kaathirunthal
  sontham illai bandham illai - annakili
  
  Old age, you have got me there, I dont remember anything, other IR fans can chip in here. Going on to the next level - death, I have given four songs in my earlier posts. Can you match them?
  
  BTW what about "after IR" I assume you meant 90s and beyond.
  
  ..Remember he promised to give matching songs from both old and new (90s) movies.. - tigger
  ...Please reproduce what I said. Not that I can't do what you have said, but I hate to be misquoted... rotfl
  
  This is what you said:
  "I have faith in Eden that he honestly believes that IR is the best MD in this genre of music. I also know that such stuff has been done equally well, if not better, before and after IR.
  We will now try convincing the other on our beliefs, with literal examples. ".. rotfl
  
  I guess your implications are clear. Please take up the challenge with "After IR" songs too.
  
  
• From: tigger (@ 205.219.204.23) on: Wed May 15 12:10:16 EDT 2002
  
  Old age - Thannan thanimaiyile, udal thallaadum vayathinile..
  
  I dont remember this song at all. Can you give me some more info and the first few lines of the song so that it might help trigger my memory?
  
  
• From: yaaro (@ 195.93.34.153) on: Wed May 15 12:31:13 EDT 2002
  
  ROTFL, you seem to be doing a rip van winkle thing for the period from 75-till date.I just dont believe that at all.
  I remember reading uma ramanan's interview when she was talking about manjal veyil song from nandu-she came out of the recording room -and he was standing there with tears streaming down his face.so moved he was by this song apparently.
  
  
• From: yaaro (@ 195.93.34.153) on: Wed May 15 12:34:55 EDT 2002
  
  he=AV ramanan
  
  
• From: Kupps (@ 156.153.255.126) on: Thu May 16 00:41:45 EDT 2002
  
  So, I asked him to give me five IR songs and I will match them with non-IR songs.
  Since then there has been a lot of ding-donging without a clear direction.
  
  I understand u said that u wud match with non-IR. i just want the "usual fight" to take a different direction. I guess Eden's intension was also that. My request/point is, see eden says IR is king is showing emotion in music and u say that no i can't agree to u. i want u and eden to discuss with facts. so when eden says and u refute then to start with let u list some of the best(to ur knowledge) emotion showing songs of pre-IR MDs, not collectively but by individual MDs. only then we can either prove that IR is THE king in showing emotions(in songs) or IR is NOT THE king. coz when one says raja raja cholan is the best king, to refute it, it is not good to say all other kings collectively better than raja raja cholan(RRC), even there might be a king who might be individually better than RRC but his might wud go unnoticed.
  
  That set the templers flaring. Kupps replied by saying that Eden meant that IR was a king among many and quoted mahabaaratham. :)
  I disagreed on the meaning and Kupps got angry.
  
  Nice way of telling ur own side only. did u just disagreed, merely, and that its made me angry ? :-)
  
  anyway past is past let it be sleeping there in old responses. i dont want to start another fight and unnecessarily deviate a nice, to be good discussion of proofs and refutes.
  
  
• From: peeps (@ 12.162.224.6) on: Thu May 16 00:44:46 EDT 2002
  
  ROTFL,
  The situation which u said abt that feelings of abandonment by the children and the emotional support given by the wife to the husband is very unique one and i hope there wont be many songs for that situation..The director of that film must a very 'diff' guy to ask for a song for that situation..To my small knowledge abt TFM i dont think IR scored any song for tht kind of situation..
  i know bringing BGM in this thread is digressing but still can we say directors preferred BGMs rather than songs for these kind of very specific situations..Did IR score for the Balumahendra movie Sandhya Raagam which deals with the abandonment of elder?It had no songs i beleive and only BGM..
  Who scored the song "Samsaaram athu minsaaram" from SAM.Is it IR?Please enlighten me..:-)
  
  
• From: peeps (@ 12.162.224.6) on: Thu May 16 00:48:02 EDT 2002
  
  Digression
  Kupps,
  Kaalaila office vanthathumey TFMPafe posting thaana?huh?:-)
  Unga Team lead mail id kudunga..:-)
  
  
• From: ROTFL (@ 210.186.51.172) on: Thu May 16 06:34:53 EDT 2002
  
  Tigger
  I agree that both Oru thanga rathathil and Poovile medai are good songs. But do they emote strong emotions? Nahi! You're right, they are not emotion-packed.
  And what is with this subtle stuff? Don't change goalposts mid-way in the game! Emotions are strong feelings - you don't cry over subtlety.
  
  Though you are young looks like you belong to the old school,
  Was waiting for this... :)
  
  Helplessness:
  azhagu malar aada - vaidehi kaathirunthal
  sontham illai bandham illai - annakili
  
  Enge nimmathi enge intha irandu paadalgalum enge! Are we talking about the same things ... or are we from the same planet? :)
  
  Going on to the next level - death, I have given four songs in my earlier posts. Can you match them?
  
  Sure.
  1. Ponaal pogattum podaa intha boomiyil nilaiyaai vaazhnthavan yaaradaa
  2. Aadi adangum vaazhkkaiyadaa aaradi nilame sonthamadaa
  3. Annaiyin madiyil thodangiya vaazhkkai mannin madiyil mudigindrathu
  4. Ullathin nalla ullam urangaathenbathu vallavan vagithathadaa
  5. Thanneerile thaamaraipoo thallaaduthe alaigalile
  6. Even Gangai Amaran has come up with one of the best songs on death, i.e. Vaazhve maayam intha vaazhve maayam.
  
  Pothumaa Tigger? :)
  
  BTW what about "after IR" I assume you meant 90s and beyond.
  
  We will come around to that after we finish this "before IR" round.
  
  Old age - Thannan thanimaiyile, udal thallaadum vayathinile..
  I dont remember this song at all. Can you give me some more info and the first few lines of the song so that it might help trigger my memory?
  
  Song sung by P. Suseela. Movie is School Master. Gemini Ganesan & Sowcar Janaki act as parents whose children desert them.
  
  
• From: ROTFL (@ 210.186.51.172) on: Thu May 16 06:45:55 EDT 2002
  
  yaaro
  ROTFL, you seem to be doing a rip van winkle thing for the period from 75-till date.I just dont believe that at all.
  
  Let me make one thing very clear. I have always maintained that IR has given some very good songs, and those include emotionally charged songs too. What I cannot accept is that only IR is the best in these kind of songs.
  
  So, please don't come around and try to convert the converted. :)
  
  
  Kupps
  
  I understand u said that u wud match with non-IR. i just want the "usual fight" to take a different direction.
  
  Your wish has been granted. :)
  
  ..... eden says IR is king is showing emotion in music and u say that no i can't agree to u. i want u and eden to discuss with facts. so when eden says and u refute then to start with let u list some of the best(to ur knowledge) emotion showing songs of pre-IR MDs, not collectively but by individual MDs.
  
  Guess we are splitting hairs here. What I am trying to say is "Look, it has been done before, may be better..."
  And here I am proving it. I rest my case. :)
  
  coz when one says raja raja cholan is the best king, to refute it, it is not good to say all other kings collectively better than raja raja cholan(RRC),
  
  But we are not comparing who is the best king? One party (actually four - Eden, Tigger, Kupps, Yaaro) is saying that RRC is the best in, say giving donations. Another party (me) is saying that there have been many kings previously who have been greater donors.
  
  Nice way of telling ur own side only. did u just disagreed, merely, and that its made me angry ? :-)
  
  Whatever it was Kupps, my gist of it was not incorrect, was it?
  
  anyway past is past let it be sleeping there in old responses. i dont want to start another fight and unnecessarily deviate a nice, to be good discussion of proofs and refutes.
  
  Thanks. I too feel the same way.
  Nice talking to you. :)
  
  

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