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the psychology behind "raja & rehman comparison" threads

Topic started by velramanan (@ 202.88.154.169) on Mon Oct 22 06:25:41 EDT 2001.
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I am sick of finding seemingly endless comparisons between raja & rehman. For once, let us stop talking about comparing raja & rehman. Instead i would like to discuss the real psychology behind "what prompts people to resort to such comparisons. What sort of personalities relish such fights. What might be the internal motives of such comparisons? Are there any sincere people involved in such threads or is it mere cheap ego trips?". This has always been an intriguing riddle to me. Help please....(for heaven's sake please do not start another sickening fight here too.) :-)

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• From: Pras (@ 193.56.241.19) on: Tue Feb 5 06:08:09 EST 2002
  
  'AR's success and domination in TFM had hurt all the IR fan's EGOS , that makes them talk against AR unnecessarily ..."
  
  Kiran,
  just have a look at all the threads !!
  There are more threads on "IR sucks" than "ARR sucks" !!
  I think your sentence should be :
  "IR's domination in TFM had hurt all the ARR fan's EGOS" ...
  
  
• From: WhyNot (@ 203.24.100.137) on: Tue Feb 5 06:26:45 EST 2002
  
  Pras, the point of this thread is not to start another arr vs. ir yutham. It was meant for examining why it happens. There r no shortage of suitable threads in this forum presently if u r bent upon pursuing the ir-arr agenda.
  
  whinenot, I think it is quite obvious why I chose to revive this thread at the present moment. but going back to which category I belong, i'm not denying my own follies. In fact I came up with at least one on that list, from observing my own behaviour in a detached manner, as suggested to me by a close friend. :-)
  
  
• From: Gowri (@ 161.142.100.86) on: Tue Feb 5 06:26:58 EST 2002
  
  Wrong daa Pras.
  There is no reason for ARR fans to feel threatened. Those are merely reactions to ARR flaming.
  Whereas there is every reason for IR fans to feel threatened. That is the real picture.
  
  
• From: hihi:-) (@ 128.111.113.76) on: Tue Feb 5 13:24:32 EST 2002
  
  Whereas there is every reason for IR fans to feel threatened. That is the real picture. correct dA gowri. i am really threatened.
  
  
• From: Bharath (@ 156.153.255.126) on: Tue Feb 5 16:15:44 EST 2002
  
  if a person likes ARR more than IR.. it means he see something in ARR what he does not see in IR and so he can point out what he finds lacking in IR. (vice versa holds good)
  
  now thats is a natural upshot of preferences.. so the critisism coming out from people on IR/ARR is quite natural..
  
  I wudnt call it a result of low self esteem. It wud be a case of trivializing the whole issue.
  
  Although its a common impression that i am a ARR fan( i cudnt disagree more) i dont find it offensive when people trash ARR. they dont like so they trash him.. its the reason why they dont like him and the forum where the address it that interests me more ...
  
  
• From: neutral_fan (@ 202.88.152.159) on: Tue Feb 5 23:39:35 EST 2002
  
  dearest & loveable whynot, who is this eccentric who suggested u shud watch things in a detached manner? I guess he/she shud be as weird as you are :-) (oh, its been a long long time we had a real verbal war, ain't it?) ;-)
  
  Bharat, that was a very 'plain vanilla' way of looking at the issue :-)...there is more to it that what meets the eyes :-) IMHO
  
  
  
• From: neutral_fan (@ 202.88.152.159) on: Tue Feb 5 23:40:34 EST 2002
  
  oops correction, there is more to it than what meets the eyes
  
  
• From: Naaz (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Wed Feb 6 01:50:39 EST 2002
  
  Has anyone even for a moment considered that IR and ARR are going about their work as usual, with no time of such pettiness...It is only the fans with too much time on their hands who keep flaming these imaginary fires...That's the saddest truth of them all.
  
  
• From: Naaz (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Wed Feb 6 01:53:39 EST 2002
  
  correction:" No time for such pettiness...?" is how it should read. my apologies.
  
  
• From: neutral_fan (@ 202.88.152.159) on: Wed Feb 6 02:16:16 EST 2002
  
  Naaz, mostly there are morons who intially start such crap comparison threads, and then the genuine fans of both IR & ARR fall prey to the trap, and develop a virtual war & riot which the morons who started it enjoy...u can clearly make out who is a genuine fan and who is a moron/mischief-monger, by just observing their posts closely...well, we do have one good example in recent few days...
  
  
• From: Naaz (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Wed Feb 6 10:19:50 EST 2002
  
  Being a fan of IR is the greenlight to slam ARR? And vice versa? Is that how it works? I find both the composers to be immensely gifted. They both have their own unique style and genius. And, of course, they both have their stylistic limitations as well. I prefer to concentrate on their music, which is (mostly) divine and uplifting. Their drawbacks vanish when one appreciates their positives! Why is that so hard to do for some folks??
  
  
• From: WhyNot (@ 203.24.100.137) on: Wed Feb 6 10:35:58 EST 2002
  
  >>>dearest & loveable whynot, who is this eccentric who suggested u shud watch things in a detached manner?<<<<
  A very dearest & loveable one ;-)))
  
  >>>I guess he/she shud be as weird as you are :-)<<<
  Oh yes...and when we're together, we get weirder by the day. :-)))
  
  >>>>(oh, its been a long long time we had a real verbal war, ain't it?) ;-)<<<<<<
  Yes it's been awhile, eh? But i doubt i can withstand one for long now as a recently created dope addiction is keeping my head all high and fuzzy these days :-)))
  
  oops, have I digressed? :-)
  
  
• From: Gowri (@ 61.6.38.132) on: Wed Feb 6 22:34:21 EST 2002
  
  correct dA gowri. i am really threatened.
  
  Maybe not you as I have hardly seen you (in your present form or previous incarnation) critical of ARR.
  
  But most of the HCIRF's who have posted here and posting now, are feeling threatened. And that explains their severe outbursts.
  And I am no "daa."
  
  Being a fan of IR is the greenlight to slam ARR? And vice versa?
  
  No vice versa. You will find hardly many ARR fans being highly critical of IR.
  And that's because they are comfortable with their idol's position.
  Basic psychology.
  
  
• From: mahabs (@ 203.199.209.81) on: Thu Feb 7 10:50:14 EST 2002
  
  gowri
  
  it seems you have missed many discussions here.
  
  in an arguement, everyone feels insecure, imho.
  
  anbudan
  
  mahabs
  
  
• From: Bharath (@ 156.153.255.134) on: Thu Feb 7 11:26:57 EST 2002
  
  Naaz,
  
  what do you expect .. IR & ARR stop their work and jump into our discussion. Its bcoz they r going about doing their work that we get a chance to discuss/fight about them.
  
  If they dont do their work we will have nothing to discuss about. Every TFMDF'er knows that we are the ones who do the talking(typing) and they do the actual work.. that observation is redundant.
  
  
• From: RangA (@ 216.65.221.154) on: Thu Feb 7 13:41:55 EST 2002
  
  The real psychology behind raja & rahman comparison is simple: The american corporates pay high dollars for the easy work these software guys are doing. And these guys have plenty of free time, free unlimited internet access, unchecked ego, fancy theories that nobody will listen to and a server that can hold all their biased opinions. Those are all the real reasons. Let there be anything taken away from these guys, you would not see any core discussing it, whether hard or soft.
  
  
• From: RangA (@ 216.65.221.154) on: Thu Feb 7 13:46:55 EST 2002
  
  After all, doesn't every donkey want to hear its bray?
  brrrrrrrrrrrraaaaaaay!! brrrrrrrrrrraay!
  
  
• From: AgnaR the Idiot (@ 156.153.255.134) on: Thu Feb 7 14:19:38 EST 2002
  
  RangaA,
  
  which software company do you work for? send me ur resume when(not if) you get laid off.. i will black list it..
  
  I am a very busy person who can manage my time very well...but in the other case you are some vayatherichal case.. who couldnt get into "software"(whatever u think it means) field
  
  let me know if you have problems with your computer I will send a carpenter...
  
  
• From: RangA (@ 216.65.221.154) on: Thu Feb 7 15:20:10 EST 2002
  
  Hey AgnaR (with the correct adjective)!!
  If you think I am also an unclaimed lot (that is what is called poRambOkku, right?) like you, then you are sadly mistaken. However, I thank you for proving all my points above. Unfortunately I had to relent to my principle of not talking to idiots in your case.
  
  
• From: Naanum indha ooru thaan (@ 63.95.59.197) on: Thu Feb 7 17:08:33 EST 2002
  
  All
  
  I'm a guy who grew up as a ARR fan initially becos ARR got introduced to the scene when I was old and mature enough to understand what quality music is and what is not...... Before that time music was too different... Just like whatever ARR composes now is a hit, whatever IR composed 15-20 years back was a hit..... Forget who sang it, what tune it is inspired from and what instruments are used......... the songs were hit songs and when I used to pass through tea shops and audio cassette shops, I stand there in the road for 5 to 10 minutes to listen to those songs..... Raja had scored thousands of such songs.... I dont blame him nor do I blame myself for listening to those...... 'Change' is the only thing that is permanent in this world and we need to accept this.... I used to ridicule my dad when he used to listen to TMS songs when I was young.... I used to tell him all songs sound like the same, the lyrics are almost similar and there is nothing different the music directors try out but my dad never came out of his own MSV and KVM's world..... We are caught in a similar situation here........ When Raja entered the scene, not everyone accepted his style of music bcos it was different from the existing MSV style of music........ I'm sure that if there was a thread like this those days, IR and MSV comparison would have been equally hot.............. Coming to the point, its the first impression that carries on as to whether ARR or IR is hated or loved.... I find some people supporting or rather start listening to YSR or Karthik raja or Harris just for the sake of trying to be against ARR..... I hope those are the people who dont care for quality music but think that the people whom they follow is always great always........ This happens with ARR fans as well as they dont listen to YSR or HJ 's music or if at all they do they keep criticising about it.. ARR is in a new world when compared to Raja.....He has a more competitive world and more advanced technology......If he's not trying to be with the technology he will soon be lost somewhere.....Raja composed in a world where he had competition from Shankar-ganesh and chandrabose...........I dont know how many of you agree to this, but i wonder if shankar-ganesh and chandrabose did any good to tamil music........ They proved to be just a cheap alternative compared to Raja and whenver raja didnt have dates, they were the only choice....... This doesnt literally mean that Raja doesnt deserve any credit for his monopoly....I would like to quote the saying 'Anyone Can hold the helm when the sea is calm' ..........Raja ruled the tamil film music world when there was no real genius around him to compete with him....Raja wasa legend during his time and that kept him on top always and ARR fans need to accept this. .... Look at the current scenario, directors do have a choice of music directors who can fit their budget, taste etc....... There ends the main motive of the comparison.........
  The one disadvantage that I felt with IR was when he changed the whole shape of the tamil film music, he didnt want the same shape to get altered by others.. When rahman managed to change the whole shape of it, IR couldnt restrict it nor could he follow it........He didnt want to come out of the shell which he had built........ and that has let him down in a way....... The other day I was listening to some of his classics and I wonder whether he could repeat those again...... just like 'Sempoove poove' or 'Thendral vandhu theendum podhu' or 'Sundari Kannal' or so on...................... Well he could and probably he has but no one thinks that those are classics except for hardcore IR fans....... To be frank, i lost touch with IR songs and didnt listen to them time unless someone tells me that they are good.....The same doesn't happen with respect to ARR or YSR or HJ....... I buy their cassettes or CDs without anyone's opinion or listening to them before buying.....The main reason is the generation....... We live in a different generation and our parents dont accept certain things in our generation... TFM is similar to this........
  These things happen in US as well.. When parents listen to Bob dylan and Jim morrison, the kids listen to backstreet boys and N sync.. They cant simply compare who is the best across decades...... The same thing holds good for tamil film music as well...... Raja was great during his times but when a genius like Raja is being pushed back to the second spot for such a long time , it has to be accepted that ARR is a genius too...... but comaparing a genius to another genius is a fool's job and i dont want to do that........ i would better listen to IR, ARR, Deva, Hj , Bharathwaj , YSR and KR and spend my time enjoying their music rather than trying to prove others that IR is the best or ARR is the best........
  
  Comments and Criticisms Welcome.................. :-)
  
  
• From: ML (@ 172.189.91.38) on: Thu Feb 7 17:12:16 EST 2002
  
  
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