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IR's hardcore Fan's Expectations

Topic started by MusicMouse (@ 61.1.212.186) on Wed Aug 14 14:13:11 EDT 2002.
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more songs of the following types

1) Violin and Fluit combination music (like POVOMAA URGOLAM, MANNIL INTHA KATHAL ANRI)

2) Very Hard Archestration song (like Suttum Sudar Vizhi Parvaiyilae, Sundari Kannal Oru Sethi)

3) Kalakkal Folk Song (like Otha Rupa thaaren, Maman Oru naal)

4) Rhythm that touches heart immediately based songs (like Ila Nenjae Vaa, Asai Athigam Vachu)

5) Fresh Duet songs (like Geetham Sangeetham, Vaanilae Thenila)

6) Love Sad Songs (like Earamana Rojavae, Kanna Unnai Thedigireen)

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Responses:

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• From: Sriram (@ 136.2.1.101) on: Thu Aug 19 11:33:08 EDT 2004
  
  Guess Me,
  
  Thank you for your arguements.
  
  I gave up. You can wake up somebody sleeping. You can not wake up somebody drugged and dreaming...
  
  Let them dream.. do not disturb...
  
  In the mean time.. rest of the world will go on...
  
  
• From: rs (@ 61.2.35.57) on: Thu Aug 19 13:07:55 EDT 2004
  
  >>6. he doesnt listen to "jalra" parties neither he will do it in future
  
  it is good rajasaranam knows his limitations that IR will not listen to him.....
  
  
• From: Note Man (@ 35.9.20.85) on: Thu Aug 19 13:25:13 EDT 2004
  
  "Mr. Note Man, in terms of the no.of movies, Deva will beat IR (in the last decade). Does that mean that Deva is anywhere close to IR? "
  
  Mr.Guess Me, I have listed those movies in terms of variety and quality, which apparently for you seems not good enough. One Julie Ganapathy and Hey Ram are good enough to outdo and outclass any number of craps that Deva dishes out. Who the hell would try and watch Kutty without IR's name in it. What about Azhagki? Don't be a fool to think Cheran's name would have drawn people to it. Or what about Sethu?, I have read testimonials of Dfers who had seen the audience whistle at the Maestro's name in the credits.
  
  "May be. But there are more no.of directors and producers who tell how high his ego is. "
  This is just gossip and rumors, and what I have given were hard facts. You expect me to buy in your drivel? If I might say so, you think these directors are big and famous, I differ. Most of them got famous after IR scored music for their movies. And, it is a well known fact that IR's name was enough to guarantee even a dabba movie great openings. Do you why people came in hordes to the 100 days function of Annakilli? to see who this IR is! Before IR no other MD was accorded the honor of having his picture on the posters along with the stars. Sometimes he was the only star (e.g., karagattakaran, chinna thambi).
  Now, after having got what they want the directors and producers may talk crap, that is the way of the film industry. I haven't heard KB or MR or BR talk bad about him. Only VM sometimes blows his mouth off and if rumors are to be believed (like you do I think) he still regrets breaking off with IR.
  
  "Therefore what I say is IR is a legend in terms of composition. But he is not Mr. Perfect and has his own misqualities and which only IR fans would tolerate. And IR's recent lack-lustre performance is a fact that each fan should be bold to accept."
  
  What do you mean we HAVE to accept? Is that a demand? What is your point in saying he has inadequacies. Only negative people think about such things. True IR fans would ignore the 4 bad songs for his one great song. So, after all he is human and he has given bad scores occasionally, who else hasn't? His recent lacklustre performances? you mean in 2004? I don't think he has released any thing new this year except shivshankar and we are all awaiting with bated breath his opus TIS. Last year was superb with Konji Pesalam, Shambu, Pithamagan, Virumaandi,Pon Megala and Manasinakkare. What lacklustre are you talking about? Even commercially flop movies had some songs worth celebrating.
  
  Finally, I am sure you will come up with a 'great' answer to all my points, based on your 'knowledge'. So like Sriram I give up too.
  IR will always have fans who will adulate him for the contributions he has made to music.
  If you are not going to talk based on facts I am not going to reply to your answers.
  
  
• From: k (@ 165.140.4.22) on: Thu Aug 19 14:38:27 EDT 2004
  
  Also, the posting by Guess me quotes that there are many directors and producers who complain about IR's ego. You have heard only one side of the arguement because IR's keeps his dignity and does not speak back.
  
  BaratiRaja hated him because he wanted IR to give priority to his movies which IR refused. Even recently, IR refused to doa movie with Thangar Bachan because Thangar mistreated Panju Arunachalam. IR sticks to his principles of loaylty and deication and doesnt put up with a lot of bs from producers and directors and hence they complain.
  
  You have to just lookat the type of people who adore IR. Semmangudi Srinivasa Iyer, a doyen in Carnatic music, Kanchi Swamigal and people like Subbudu, MSV. I dont think they would respect IR so much if he was as egoistic as people make him out to be.
  
  Also this has been perpetuated by cine reporters because IR would do interviews or not turn up for thier award functions. One can chose to be ignorant by believing and propagating falsehoods about IR and I could only feel sorry for them.
  
  
• From: Dude (@ 199.2.219.67) on: Thu Aug 19 14:59:15 EDT 2004
  
  "What about Azhagki? Don't be a fool to think Cheran's name would have drawn people to it."
  
  Going by ur logic, Autograph was such a massive hit because of Bharadwaj...
  
  
• From: Note Man (@ 35.9.20.85) on: Thu Aug 19 15:10:34 EDT 2004
  
  "Going by ur logic, Autograph was such a massive hit because of Bharadwaj..."
  
  After one movie is hit everyone associated with the movie gets a good name, e.g., P.Vasu, where is he now?.
  
  What I my statement implied was that IR's name definitely mattered for Azhagi, but it did mean Cheran did not have talent. IR's name was the initial draw and Cheran's taking and story made the movie hit. Otherwise movies like Devan, Ilaiyavan, Dhanush, would also had to be big hits, going by my 'logic' you discovered. Any interest people might have for these movies is only due to IR's name. The recent telugu movie Sambhu's only draw was IR, as pointed by the reviewer on idlebrain.com.
  
  
• From: rajasaranam (@ 61.1.202.175) on: Thu Aug 19 15:28:27 EDT 2004
  
  rs,
  
  yeah we know it. well we shud be proud of it that he doesnt listen to us like other mediocre MD's who listens/copies/buys/improvises etc., and finally put a stamp over the final product as if its their own creation.
  
  Guess me,
  
  your meassure of success is diametrically opposite to our measure of success. we appreciate for what IR has given/giving us. our whole life is driven by the music of IR rgt frm 'thaalattu till opaari'. for u yuppies a minute part of life i.e., celebrating youth is wat driving u to listen to the music of ARR.
  even considering ur measure of success IR was well ahead of ARR, if we are to compare the prime time of their career.no other MD in the whole world wud hav been celebrated as IR was.even after 12 yrs of ur favourite MD's arrival IR is still here to rule.
  Jus try to ponder over some of the following points
  how many film related personalities are fans of HCARRF
  well for IR the list is endless. one example is Bala whose autobiography is a testimony for that. and also at the begining of title credits of pithamagan it started as 'WITH THE GRAND MUSIC OF MAESTRO ILAYARAJA'. mind it no superstars like surya n vikram,For bala it is Raja. Even though we all know that audio sales of Pithamagan wud be nowhere near ARR's crap movie's audio sales. such is the kind of love we HCIRF's hav towards IR.
  others include like 'thankar bachan' who even after IR's refusal to score for his movie gives interview as ' azhagi padathukku virudhu vaangittu avar kitta thaan ponen aana avar ennai kandukavae illai, manasukku romba kashtama irundhadhu. sayandaram avara phone panni vera moodla irunthaennnu sonnathukku appuram thaan ennala sapdavae mudinjadhu.
  Or a media moghul like 'Balki' - who says my life is driven by IR's music.
  others include Cheran,Fazil,Kamalhassan...
  
  iam stressing on the point for u to name a film personality cos the people who goes to ARR goes not bcos he is a fan but that he is one of the commercially viable MD's.but a person who asks IR to score music for his film doesnt want a commercially successful audio sales for his movie but they as fans of IR, wants IR to breathe life into their movies.
  
  
• From: rajasaranam (@ 61.1.202.175) on: Thu Aug 19 15:32:14 EDT 2004
  
  Dude n Noteman,
  
  well how is cheran connected with Azhagi? r u people referring to SMK.
  
  
• From: Dude (@ 199.2.219.67) on: Thu Aug 19 15:50:13 EDT 2004
  
  Rajasaranam,
  
  I stand corrected! Confused thankar bachchan with cheran...
  
  Now can you tell me how ARR is connected to this thread? Why this unnecessary comparison now???
  
  
• From: Note Man (@ 35.9.20.85) on: Thu Aug 19 15:55:44 EDT 2004
  
  Ditto for Azhagi discussion.
  
  ARR's name was probably dragged because of Guess Me's comments on Audio sales. I don't think there was anything inappropriate said about ARR anyway, unlike some comments made on IR in this thread.
  
  
• From: Sriram (@ 136.2.1.101) on: Thu Aug 19 16:15:12 EDT 2004
  
  Note man - Wow!! I really liked your arguements. Very balanced.
  
  However I have differ on one point - I do not think IR's music is as good as it used to be. (Including Julie Ganapathy and Virumandi).
  
  Saying people have lost taste for good music sounds fake.
  
  
  
• From: rajasaranam (@ 61.1.202.175) on: Thu Aug 19 16:27:16 EDT 2004
  
  hey cmon Dude dont be kidding all you people's posts r to be read between lines cos u people keep ARR as a comparison when making any, mind it any kind of comment IR. be open to drag ARR's name if want to do so.
  if u comment on IR's- ego it subtly implies ARR's-Humbleness
  similarly IR- no sales subtly implies ARR-superb sales.
  for u people ARR is the yardstick for us there is nothing more nothing less than IR.
  
  sari appadiyae illanallum ungalukku enna IR mela avalo akkaraiya enna, avar kitta neenga kettadhunnu nenaikira vishayagala solli thiruthi avara commercially successful MD aakittu matha MD's ellam mootai kattittu kelambi poga vaikka poreengala? Appadi avar commecially successful MD'aa ayitarunna appurama inga evanumae nikka mudiyathae.[remembering the 80's hmmmmmm....]
  athaan solraen udaichi pesu, nee ARR rasigan IR pathi korai sollalena unakku arippu nikkathu same stands for me ASAT.
  
  
• From: Dude (@ 199.2.219.67) on: Thu Aug 19 16:46:55 EDT 2004
  
  Rajasaranam, forget ARR... compare IR of the 80's with IR of the 2000's. You have already accepted that he is not commercially succesful anymore.
  
  And all his songs nowadays are pale traces of his old songs. [keep remembering the 80's hmmmmmm....]
  
  That is what we are discussing right now.
  If you want to throw flames at ARR, there are so many other threads, please go there!
  
  

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