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B G M - Eternal Myths!

Topic started by OISG (@ 193.188.97.152) on Tue Aug 27 11:45:05 EDT 2002.
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Can any HCIRF please enlighten this poor soul?



1.How many movies have run simply because of IRs rerecording?
2.Has he managed any recognition at the state,national,Asian,international levels for his BGM ?
3.Has he won any awards (say like Filmfare,Zee ,IIFA etc ) for his BGM?( i hear Adhesh Srivatsava won a Filmfare or Zee award for his BGM in "Border")
4.Who would you rate as the other good BGM scorers at the national ,international levels? (apart from the staple answer "Nobody")-[This is just to determine where he stands vis-a-vis "Them"]
5.Why is he not getting offers to score BGM for Hollywood movies when his credentials are extraordinary as per your judgement?

6.Are there any awards instituted by our govenments for BGM ...like the ones for special effects,editing?If they exist has he won anything?If it does not why don tyou guys make a representation to the government?(But if the Governement accepts your representation and gives the award to some other MDs .....)

7.Mention some scenes wherein without his BGM the scene would have fallen flat pulling down the whole movie.

8.Are there any movies by other MDs in which the BGM was ...say..Ok!?
I shall request all non-IR fans not to post in this thread.Lets listen!

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Responses:

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• From: !@$ (@ 199.50.29.40) on: Wed Aug 28 12:33:37 EDT 2002
  
  http://www.vikatan.com/av/2002/sep/01092002/av0501.shtml
  
  
• From: !@$ (@ 199.50.29.40) on: Wed Aug 28 12:34:11 EDT 2002
  
  http://www.hinduonnet.com/fr/stories/2002082301030200.htm
  
  
• From: !@$ (@ 199.50.29.40) on: Wed Aug 28 12:36:23 EDT 2002
  
  http://www.thinnai.com/ar0421024.html
  
  Read the last few paragraphs.
  
  All this is for OISG.
  
  
• From: Awe (@ 65.69.59.115) on: Wed Aug 28 12:39:45 EDT 2002
  
  Kaumudi i agree with your fair review. When people wear black glass everything will look black. If only IR get the amount of time and equipments the hollywood composers get sure he can come out with wonderful BGM. Here he has to score music for songs, BGM. On top of that so many movies in an year. Inspite of that he came out with heart warming music in Tamil, Telugu and Malayalam. It needs little more broad mindedness if not musical sense to appreciate the works of IR. I am glad i am one among the millions who appreciate his BGM works in movies.
  
  Fair anaylsis means there should be no prejuidice.
  It should not be influenced by what HCIRF say and HCARRF say or HC**** say... But some people clearly admit that their reviews are influenced by prejuidice. So their reviews lose credibility instantly. statements like "HCIRF drives me nuts thats why i say bad about IR" make your argument very weak. It all started with me seeing the movie Ninaithale Inikkum. When i saw the movie i instantly felt he could have put little more effort in BGM. It was not MGR/SIVAJI era after all. It was Rajini/Kamal era. Importance to BGM had already started. So being an IR fan, i expected some kind of BGM in some places. It gives all the more depth. If i never had heard IR music, i wouldn't have noticed at all. These are all some finer points which make your movie watching experience all the more fun and entertaining and involved. I should have added the word IMHO MSV missed his mark in NI. But i never expected ARR fans will be going after me.
  Hope the thread ends with this. He was a complete Music Director who gave his best to all the Directors. He reduced his movies after the arrival of his sons. He has one of the largest fan base in TFM. As much as Rajini kanth. Hope he continues his good work.
  
  
• From: sats (@ 139.177.224.101) on: Wed Aug 28 13:07:46 EDT 2002
  
  OISG
  i need to thank you, this thread has become a eye opener for lot of people about IR's BGM. ungal thondu vazhaga
  
  
• From: kiru (@ 192.138.150.249) on: Wed Aug 28 13:23:20 EDT 2002
  
  sats ..you are right. This was very educational and I am pleasantly surprised with the amount of fans IR has for his BGM as well.
  
  
• From: Jeera (@ 206.175.176.2) on: Wed Aug 28 14:03:39 EDT 2002
  
  Kiru
  
  That is exactly the point. Look at the amount of fans IR created just with his BGM's. People to my knowledge started talking about BGM's only after IR's entry (including magazines).
  
  That is his achievement and that is bigger than any award.
  
  Ofcourse this does not mean that others are bad. But IR was the pioneer in letting even a common man talk of BGM's.
  
  
• From: Awe (@ 65.69.59.115) on: Wed Aug 28 14:05:49 EDT 2002
  
  For those who think IR has no fans outside this forum..
  
  http://vivekrk.8k.com/bmessage1.html
  
  
• From: Thiru (@ 63.169.243.35) on: Wed Aug 28 14:11:46 EDT 2002
  
  Awe, so what's ur point??? are u one among those ppl comparing them and showing the stats and links...
  
  
• From: Awe (@ 65.69.59.115) on: Wed Aug 28 14:16:13 EDT 2002
  
  Ok Thiru sorry about that. That was response to someone who said nobody outside this forum listens to BGM of IR. Anyway chuck that matter.
  
  Anyone having a link like the following one. Apparently it is not working.
  
  http://www.directoryindia.com/songs/bgm2.html#mounaragam
  
  
• From: Awe (@ 65.69.59.115) on: Wed Aug 28 14:26:03 EDT 2002
  
  Can we use this platform as launcing BGMs on to a common website..
  
  I have VCDs like Niram Maratha Pookkal..
  Can one someone take the initiative to create a website where we all can store BGMs.. in one format..
  
  
• From: Awe (@ 65.69.59.245) on: Wed Aug 28 16:01:56 EDT 2002
  
  I extracted two MPEGs from Niram Maratha Pookkal
  
  1) Niram Mara Pookkale... title song 36 MB
  
  2) Iru Paravigal Malai Muzuvadhum.. slow version
  
  20 MB
  
  Anyone wants let me know? or i can post somewhere
  
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.218) on: Wed Aug 28 16:06:49 EDT 2002
  
  "this thread has become a eye opener for lot of people about IR's BGM"
  
  Sats: I donno what you learn new from this thread. It is a known issue and there is lot of "Javvu Matter" going on. Of course, it has been chewed and spit several times!!
  
  
• From: Thiru (@ 63.169.243.35) on: Wed Aug 28 16:29:03 EDT 2002
  
  Fliflo correct... This is nothing but another thread where one group says IR is the best and the other group (obviously HCARRF) says IR sucks... Aracha maavaiye vera peyar la araikaranga...
  
  
• From: Awe (@ 65.69.59.245) on: Wed Aug 28 16:32:05 EDT 2002
  
  Lajja BGMs have been added to raajangahm website.
  May be it is an old news.. I found just now. I also read the article prasanna on IR. It is nice that they have given space to add prasanna's favorite IR songs. Don't come at me if this news is very old...
  
  http://www.raajangahm.com/bgscores.html
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.218) on: Wed Aug 28 16:32:40 EDT 2002
  
  Thiru: I am waiting for something new other than what has been discussed before here
  
  http://www.newtfmpage.com/forum/bgm.html
  
  
• From: Awe (@ 65.69.59.245) on: Wed Aug 28 16:39:18 EDT 2002
  
  Fliflo they have pretty much covered everything about IR. This thread was started by Non-IR fan for Non-IR fans. He is quite now. So we can close this thread.
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.218) on: Wed Aug 28 16:49:35 EDT 2002
  
  
  This thread was started by Non-IR fan for Non-IR fans.
  Awe..it appears so. there seems to no genuine intention (at least from what I read in the head message and few blunt, hurting responses) Some feel happy any way.
  
  
• From: Awe (@ 65.69.56.79) on: Wed Aug 28 19:15:42 EDT 2002
  
  I read the article of Prasanna. He gave a wonderful performance when he was in IIT in our college festival during my college days. There was this medley given by three IITians they started with some tamil song(i forgot) from some song then swithced to the song "Khambe Jaisi Kadi Hai" from the movie "Dil" then finally finished it with "Viswanathan velai venum" from "Kadhalikka Neramillai". It was a delightful treat from them. If you listen to both of them both songs beautifully merges.
  
  
• From: Nazir (@ 172.138.246.128) on: Wed Aug 28 20:13:33 EDT 2002
  
  Can anyone please tell which films (ofcourse other than sitara) ran just for the BGM?
  If movies can run for BGM alone then all the 800 odd movies should be a superhit.
  
  A munimaa, pichaandi, paanjai may say this
  
  munimaa"inaaa style kaamichirkkaar super shtaaru..padam bullaa thathuvam aatha paasam..kannu azhudhiruchu kaNNu aaha'
  
  pichaandi'ada gopaalu mumtazkkaagave indha padam sooblee hit'
  
  paanjali'pattellam superakkaa ..nee poi padam paaru naan garaanty'
  
  But never heard anyone saying
  
  'rasini azhuvira scenele raaja violin vaasichirkaar paaru .kannile thanni pichikichu adhukkaagave 2aam aatam paarkaporen'
  'kamal sandai podare scenele hungryo somberiyo aaLunga music vachu raaja kizhichittar'
  
  
  
• From: Karthik (@ 66.176.161.168) on: Wed Aug 28 20:57:05 EDT 2002
  
  Nazir, OISG et al
  
  You are right. No movie (not even Sitara) did well just because of BGM. And no, no Indian music director has won awards/accolades solely for BGM. And no, Raaja will not get international acclaim for his re-recording ever.
  
  This is all the more reason Raajas care for re-recording deserves appreciation. Even though it is a thankless job, he takes immense care. No other music director in India now (barring Sandeep Chowta) bothers to spend time and energy on BGM (Rahman included - I've read an interview of his where he said he does not bother too much about BGM because no one notices anyway). This attitude is very typical of Raaja for those who know him - he does music because he loves it!
  
  And because he took so much interest, Raaja's ability in re-recording has increased manifold since his Annakili days - he improves every day. And whether you like the man or not, you have to give it to him : He is the best in the BGM business. And he will be the best, for a while at least, since the other MD's just dont care.
  
  
  
• From: Awe (@ 65.69.56.79) on: Wed Aug 28 22:11:16 EDT 2002
  
  Karthick you cannot cure certain people who do not have any basic knowledge about music. Look at the argument. Third rate... I am glad that i am not somebody like him..
  
  
• From: Sreeni (@ 203.0.223.241) on: Wed Aug 28 22:27:58 EDT 2002
  
  "No other music director in India now (barring Sandeep Chowta) bothers to spend time and energy on BGM (Rahman included - I've read an interview of his where he said he does not bother too much about BGM because no one notices anyway). "
  
  Karthik, you pathetic liar! ARR has said no such thing, ever. And I've read every single interview of his. If you have to resort to slander to support your case for IR you may want to re-consider your position. Come out of cuckoo-land, man.
  
  "And because he took so much interest, Raaja's ability in re-recording has increased manifold since his Annakili days - he improves every day"
  
  Nonsense, every day his formula of strings, flutes and dated drum loops gets more annoying.
  
  
  
  
  

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