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Raga of song please

Topic started by Gopal Prasad (@ greed.cs.umass.edu) on Sat May 17 07:42:45 EDT 1997.
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• From: haris (@ 205.227.43.11) on: Fri Dec 8 16:41:06 EST 2000
  
  MS, may be u are right.. but i'm not sure.. i was thinking it dheera sankarabaranam without 'd2'. Because i think 'r2' comes in aarohanam. as enai vAttum is s s r2 g3. i'm not very sure..
  
  
• From: dr.s.kannan (@ 61.1.207.199) on: Fri Dec 8 17:10:37 EST 2000
  
  hallo Haris,M.S., the song 'Maalai en vedhanai
  koottudhadi.' from Sethu is set in chaste Sankara
  bharanam. You can compare the scale of this song
  with that of'April May -ila pasumaiye illai kanchu
  pochuda'from Idhayam.( Sankarabharanam )
  'Nee partha parvaikkoru nanri" from Heyram is set
  in western scale (?Keeravani in Western scale).
  you can compare this song with 'Oh Buttrfly,butter
  fly, Yen siragaivirithai" sungby SPB in Meera
  (a Vikram and Iswarya starrer!
  Hallo Sindhuja, I will soon try to inform about the official Janyams of Lathangi.
  
  
  
• From: haris (@ 205.227.43.11) on: Fri Dec 8 17:18:35 EST 2000
  
  haris, 'malai en vedhanai' --> but there is no 'dha' in it??
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.23.185) on: Fri Dec 8 17:21:44 EST 2000
  
  enai vattum = ni sa ri ga, haris. SK..d2 is not seens anywhere in the song (except probably in the widning aalap of sharanam - mogaththileeeeeeeee).
  
  
• From: haris (@ 205.227.43.11) on: Fri Dec 8 17:40:23 EST 2000
  
  MS.. may be u are right - with swars for 'enai vAttum'. somehow, ri appears in the aarohanam. and hence it cannot be kedharam. still i feel its DS minus 'dha'
  
  
• From: haris (@ 205.227.43.11) on: Sun Dec 10 20:39:59 EST 2000
  
  Sorry. it has 'dha'. 'dha' appears in 'vEndAdha pEchukkal yEndA ambi'.
  I think it is Sankarabaranam as SK told.
  
  
• From: haris (@ 205.227.43.11) on: Sun Dec 10 22:05:29 EST 2000
  
  Is 'kodiyilE malligappOO' from 'kadalOra kavidhaigal' in Kiravani?
  
  
• From: Rajesh (@ 199.168.32.7) on: Mon Dec 11 15:40:01 EST 2000
  
  Silkfort, do you think 'Paarthen paarthen' is in hindolam ? I see 'M2' clearly in it frequently. Also, i don't see Dha anywhere. please correct me if am wrong. 'Ennulle enulle' sounds like Kapi to me, too.
  
  
  
• From: Rajesh (@ 199.168.32.7) on: Mon Dec 11 18:01:32 EST 2000
  
  Guys,
  
  The following songs look like they fall in the same ragam to me. Can someone tell me the ragam?
  
  1. Poovukul ollinthirukum from Jeans
  2. Unnodu vazhatha from Amarkalam
  3. Vaarayo thozhi from Jeans
  4. Poove punnagai kaatu from Paarthen paarthen
  
  Someone please enlighten me.
  
  
  
• From: sindhuja (@ 203.197.181.156) on: Mon Dec 11 23:31:17 EST 2000
  
  Rajesh,
  All the songs you have mentioned have not been set to any particular raaga-all of them have a shankarabharanam base-that's what is common.
  "Unnodu" from Amarkalam starts with hamsadhwani(a shankarabharanam janyam)but in the anupallavi , charanam the raaga changes-in fact even M2 has been used.
  
  
• From: Dorai (@ ) on: Tue Dec 12 11:43:19 EST 2000
  
  Can someone tell me the raga of the following songs.
  1. Nee Oru Kadhal Sangeetham -- Nayagan
  
  
• From: haris (@ 205.227.43.12) on: Tue Dec 12 12:50:41 EST 2000
  
  Dorai, ur query has already been answered by kamini in this page. http://newtfmpage.com/forum/16489.ros.html.
  
  Any updates on kodiyilE malligappOO??
  
  
• From: Dorai (@ 216.217.47.130) on: Wed Dec 13 12:17:29 EST 2000
  
  Haris,
  See the note below
  From: dr.s.kannan (@ 61.1.207.147) on: Wed Dec 6 17:08:10 EST 2000
  
  
  hallo mr.Dorai,Nee oru kadhal sangeetham is set in (HAMEER) KALYANI. thesong Athikkai is set
  in kALYANI(YAMUNA) .tHE SONG 'Sankara" in Sankarabharanam film is set in SRI ragam/or you
  can fix it in Brindavana saranga
  Nirpadhuve nadappadhuve'from Bharathy isalso set
  in YAMUNA KALYANI
  
  So is it 'DESH' or (HAMEER) KALYANI ??
  
  
• From: Dr.S.Kannan (@ 61.1.207.248) on: Wed Dec 13 17:17:17 EST 2000
  
  hallo Rajesh, Poovirkulolinthirukkum' from Jeans
  is set in Kapi(janyam of karaharapriya)
  2.Unnodu vazhadha' from Amakalam sset in Pahadi.
  (you can compare this song with 'Vaan mekam...
  Poo poovai thoovum" from Punnagai mannan set in
  Pahadi by IR.(Also you can see the similarity with
  Suthisuthi vandheeha' from Padayappa also setin
  the scale of Pahadi!)
  3.'vaaraiyen thozhi'is tuned similar with Hindi original -Oh merisonarei, sonarei from Theesree manzil(Hindi) being dubbed in Nerukku ner nindru
  parungal podhum'from Vallavan oruvan -MD VEDHA!
  RE; last song I had not heard the same.
  
  
• From: Naveen (@ 204.255.14.188) on: Thu Dec 14 11:48:56 EST 2000
  
  hi,
  what is this raga?
  c, d#, f, f#, g, a#, b, c
  
  Naveen
  
  
• From: Rajesh (@ 199.168.32.5) on: Thu Dec 14 17:47:20 EST 2000
  
  Hi Kannan,
  
  Is 'Poovukul olinthirukum' really in Kapi ? I couldn't see the Kapi 'sayal' at all. As Sindhuja said, I see some Sankarabharanam base in it. It has the swaras 'N3 S R2 G3 M1 P D2'. I thought it could be Senchuruti.
  
  Yes, the song 'Vaarayo thozhi' sounds similar to 'Oh mere sonare'. do you know its ragam ?
  
  
• From: RR (@ 192.122.134.139) on: Thu Dec 14 21:45:33 EST 2000
  
  Naveen, this scale has M1, M2 and D3, N3 but rishabam (or ghandaram) is missing (assuming C is the base note). i doubt there's any raga with scale at all. If it does, it has to be a very rare raga. If you had 'e' instead of 'f', it is Rasikapriya.
  
  
• From: G. Kuppusamy (@ 156.153.255.130) on: Fri Dec 15 10:13:12 EST 2000
  
  Is there any link between the song "kaedaikkala kaedaikkala ponnu onnu kaedaikkala" from 'paarthaen rasithaen' and "kai valikkidhu kai valikkidhu maama" from 'kungumachhimiL'? Because when I sing the song "kaedaikkala..." at the end of pallavi (or anu-pallavi??) from the stretch in the last word "kaedaikkalaaaaaaa" i could easily go to "nee azhuthhamaana aaLu yen kazhuthharuppadhu yaenga".
  
  since i don't know anything about classical music i am very much confused. are these two based on same raaga or is it my illusion??
  
  
  
• From: Naveen (@ 4.54.207.229) on: Fri Dec 15 12:02:27 EST 2000
  
  oops I missed 're' note.. thanx RR
  
  here we go.. I'm trying to find out the equivalent raga for blues scale
  
  C, D, Eb, F, F#, G, A#, B, C
  
  yes.. C is the base note & there are 8 notes
  
  Naveen
  
  
• From: amritha (@ 63.17.244.169) on: Fri Dec 15 15:33:15 EST 2000
  
  what is the raaga for the song from veera, "malai koyil vaasalil kaarthigai deepam minnuthey"? I would also like to know the raaga for "kodiyiley malligai poo manakkuthey maaney" from kadalora kavithaigal.
  
  
• From: sindhuja (@ 203.197.181.6) on: Fri Dec 15 23:53:28 EST 2000
  
  Dr S.K,
  The main beauty of kaapi is G1(in addition to G2)-And I don't hear G1 (at all in "poovukkul..."from Jeans-so I strongly feel it is not in kaapi--please comment.
  And to my knowledge-as hyderabad brothers have sung a tillaana-pahadi is supposed to have both R1 and R2-but unnodu...(amarkalam)has only R2-so how can you call it pahadi?-please explain.
  
  
• From: RR (@ 203.117.33.24) on: Sat Dec 16 06:00:13 EST 2000
  
  Naveen,
  It's tough again because both f and f# are present. If only F is taken (assuming f# is an accidental), then it's varunapriya. If only F# is taken, it's neethimathi.
  Can you point out some sample songs in this scale?
  
  Dr. SK,
  thanks for pointing out the pahAdi in 'suthi suthi vantheega'. Never realised it before..
  
  
• From: sindhuja (@ 203.197.176.116) on: Sat Dec 16 08:51:44 EST 2000
  
  Isn't "yennai taalaatta..." from kaadalukku mariyaadai based in keeravani?
  
  
• From: Naveen (@ 4.54.207.227) on: Sat Dec 16 10:11:22 EST 2000
  
  RR,
  
  most of the blues composition fit into this scale. I dont recollect any tamil song. I'll let you know if I come across any tamil song in this scale. The beauty of this scale is the adjacent semitones (F, F#, G) and (A#, B, C)
  very romantic.
  
  Naveen
  
  
• From: Swamiji (@ 198.102.112.201) on: Mon Dec 18 13:43:18 EST 2000
  
  Naveen,
  I think the blues scale you are talking about has an E, if the scale is C. The scale goes like C.Eb.E.F.G.Bb.B.C (7 notes). Some boogies have an F#, but I think it is a transition note. The reason why I think there is an E is, most of blues have a cycle of 7ths and added tension notes(like #9th, 11ths etc). For example, kaalam kaalamaga vaazhum - in punnagai mannan (in F) begins with F7(#9) - and then cycles between 7ths. And it has the third note in the scale - that is A. There is of course B too, but it is only a transition note from Bb to C. Let me know any particular song that you are talking about.
  Can someone let me know what raaga is this scale based on?
  
  
• From: Naveen (@ 204.255.14.188) on: Mon Dec 18 14:38:12 EST 2000
  
  Swamiji,
  
  Check this. http://63.208.72.184/Scales/
  I selected one of the 1st four blues scales (must be the 4th one). you may be right. I remember playing D note (in Bb Scale) in one of early blues composition. In the left hand I remember playing a quick turn (E, F, G) in Bb scale. So finally if you count the transition notes, all the 12 notes are played!
  
  vennila vennila song from iruvar sounds like early blues style. It fits into the scale you have mentioned. (but D note is added if you are playing the song in F scale)
  
  Naveen
  
  
• From: Swamiji (@ 198.102.112.201) on: Mon Dec 18 15:44:39 EST 2000
  
  Cool stuff Naveen. Thanks for the link. I guess the page says (in Blues #3) that augmented 4th (that is F#) and natural 7th (that is B) are used as passing notes. I was wrong in my earlier scale in that I missed an A (so it is a D in F-Scale). By the way, a related question. I always through a raaga, or a scale contains no more than 7 notes. Is that true? or are there any raagas that have more than 8 notes?
  
  
  
• From: Naveen (@ 204.255.14.188) on: Mon Dec 18 16:16:45 EST 2000
  
  I don't know whether any raga can have more than 7 notes. Carnatic experts can answer this. But chromatic scale has 12 notes which is the super set of all scales & ragas.
  
  Listen to 'Flight of the Bumblebee' piece. it is based on chromatic scale.
  
  Naveen
  
  

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