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- From: haris (@ 205.227.43.11)
on: Wed Nov 29 13:09:39 EST 2000
Dorai,
1. Hamsadhwani 3. Hamsanandhi
- From: RR (@ 192.122.134.139)
on: Wed Nov 29 21:37:03 EST 2000
1 is not a pure hamsadhwani, D1 is also used. 2 is in subhapantuvarali.
- From: haris (@ 205.227.43.15)
on: Wed Nov 29 21:58:51 EST 2000
MS,
You are right. 'amman koil kizhakkAlE' has r2 and not r1. but still it has g2. I think it is gowrimanOhari, dharmAvathi or one of their janyams.
RR, can u please tell why 'raga deepam' is not hamsAnandhi?
- From: sindhuja (@ 203.197.176.224)
on: Thu Nov 30 08:18:25 EST 2000
dr.sk,
I was under the impression that the raagam of kurukku chiruthavale-i.e "vaasanthi" was what you told me-was mohanam with only a different daivatam-but the list of raaga-based film songs in this site lists kurukku chiruthavale under vaasanthi,BUT gives the scale of vaasanthi as follows:-[ S G1 M1 P N3 S S N3 P M1 G1 S ]
Should'nt it be S R2 G2 P D1 S S D1 P G2 R2 S???
Please explain
- From: MS (@ 129.252.26.49)
on: Thu Nov 30 16:04:24 EST 2000
haris:
you are right too. It has g2 and not g1 or g3. And I don't hear any madhyamam.
- From: MS (@ 129.252.26.49)
on: Thu Nov 30 16:05:38 EST 2000
ooopss.. if g1 = r2, it has g1 :-)
- From: haris (@ 205.227.43.14)
on: Thu Nov 30 16:23:53 EST 2000
MS, kuzhappAdheenga Sir.. :-) nan sollarEn..
(amman koil kizhakkAlE) s r2 g2 p d2 n3 s.
Even i dont hear m ( madhyamam ) in it.. That's why i'm not sure whether its a gowrimanohari janyam or dharmavathi janyam.
in lighter sense,
if we go by MS's latest posting, the aarohanam is s g1 g2 p n2 n3 s. ( i think if we have both r and g then i think we have to take the former as r and the latter as g). But if only one occurs.. is it r or g?? aaaah... mandaya pichikkalAm pOla irukkE!!!
- From: MS (@ 129.252.26.87)
on: Thu Nov 30 17:25:33 EST 2000
haris - LOL :-)
- From: RR (@ 192.122.134.138)
on: Thu Nov 30 21:38:05 EST 2000
>> RR, can u please tell why 'raga deepam' is not hamsAnandhi?
enna haris sir, konjam puriyara maathiri sollungo. Illenna naanum ungaloda sernthu mandaya pichukka vendiyathu thaan :)
- From: haris (@ 205.227.43.13)
on: Thu Nov 30 22:17:11 EST 2000
RR, u dont' understand this line?? >>can u please tell why 'raga deepam' is not hamsAnandhi? << i just wanted u to tell me why 'raaga deepam' is not hamsaanandhi and why u say that it is Subapanthuvarali.
But if u are talking about the swaras and the confusion (triggered by MS's statement), let me explain.
In Keyboard (i'm not sure about the other instruments or grammer), r2=g1 , r3=g2, d2=n1, d3=n2. i.e., r2 and g1 maps to the same key.. and so on..
So, by playing a song if we get swaras as follows,
s r2 g2 p d2 n3 s. should we consider the aarohanam as
(s r2 g2 p d2 n3 s) OR (s g1 g2 p n1 n3 s)?? (this looks very silly!!)
another case : if the swaras are (s r2 p d1 n3 s) it can also be considered to be (s g1 p d1 n3 s) because, r2=g1. If both are valid, what's the ragam??
- From: RR (@ 192.122.134.138)
on: Fri Dec 1 02:51:47 EST 2000
haris: naan 'vaigarayil' thaan subhapantuvarali-nu sonnen :))
- From: MS (@ )
on: Fri Dec 1 03:00:57 EST 2000
haris :-) elumichcham pazam vENumA:-)
- From: Rajesh (@ 199.168.32.5)
on: Fri Dec 1 15:23:45 EST 2000
RR, you are right, 'thogai illamayil' is not pure hamsadwani. In charanam, hamsadwani transforms to 'Vasanthi', i guess. The lines, 'anname evalidam nadai pazhagum..' looks like vasanthi to me. confirm.
haris, as you said 'maanin eru kangal' is maya malava gowlai.
- From: dr.sk (@ 61.1.207.141)
on: Sat Dec 2 17:11:58 EST 2000
Hallo Sindhuja, thank u foryourquery re:Vaasanthi
In fact I had initially fixedthis song in Pahadi-
again a hindusthani variant of Mohanam. But as a no of our i-net friends categorically stated that
it is Vaasanthi. Anyhow the swaras for the song
are akin to mohanam- i.e. sr2g2pd1s only,as you have correctly pointed out- but the depicting of
different notes in ragam archive is really perplexing. Can anyone of our i-net friends offer
any ideas re: the Janakaragam of Vaasanthi & its
swaras? I appeal to MS, NADHOPASANA, RAJARAM,AND
VIDHYA OR ANY KNOWLEDGABLE PERSON to clarify this
doubts!
hallo RAJESH, I feel that the song Thokai ila
mayil - is set only in Hamsadhwani- since this
is also having similar swaras like mohanam - as
both these ragas are derivedfrom 28& 29 MELAMs
(these 2 melams differ only in Nishadham), the janyams of these 2 sound similar- As IR is capable
of composing asong with Sruthi bedham- making the rendering superb,this mayakkam had arisen!Pl.note
the song"Irupathu kodinilavugal koodi penmaiyanatho" from thulladha manamum thullum is
setin Hamsadhwani- by MD-SA RAJKUMAR inspired by
Thohai and sriranganathanin of IR!
Re: 'Manin irukangal konda maane.imho I feel it is nadhanamakriya and not MMG. Alsothe song from
thevar magan-Maasaruponne varuga' is also nnk and
mmg! Any discussion is welcome!
- From: sindhuja (@ 203.197.182.4)
on: Sun Dec 3 03:48:09 EST 2000
dr.sk,
If the scale of vaasanthi is SR2G2PD1S SDPGRS, then its janakaraagam can be lataangi,rishabhapriya,sarasaangi or chaarukesi because it has all the swarams that these raagams have.(just like mohanam can be a janyam of harikambodhi,shankarabharanam or kalyani)I think this raagam has not been listed in many books because a)it is a new raagam or b)it is basically a hindustani raagam.
BTW , I had told you that lataangi does not seem to have any "official" janyams-you had said you would find out-any idea on this?
- From: Velaiyaththavan (@ 129.252.23.185)
on: Sun Dec 3 14:21:50 EST 2000
Janyaragam
Janakaragam
Junkragam (used by SAR)
Jaangiriragam (kalyana smaiyla satham)
aaha.. so many types ? :-)
- From: Satish (@ 212.18.25.130)
on: Mon Dec 4 03:52:34 EST 2000
What is the carnatic base for the song
Konji Konji alaigal oda, Kodai thendral malargal ada.
Film - Veera
- From: MS (@ 129.252.23.185)
on: Mon Dec 4 10:00:14 EST 2000
Satish:
The base is dharmavathi but that song is an aviyal especially at the end of sharanam. It has all the swaras with only "r1" not appearing.
- From: Swamiji (@ 198.102.112.201)
on: Mon Dec 4 19:24:08 EST 2000
Which raagam is "Sowkiyama Sowkiyama" based on?
- From: sindhuja (@ 203.200.1.68)
on: Mon Dec 4 22:43:28 EST 2000
Swamiji,
Sowkiyamaa... is in raaga "maand.
- From: Ramki (@ 64.244.40.35)
on: Tue Dec 5 14:06:31 EST 2000
Is 'athikai kai kai' and 'nirpadhuve nadappadhuve'(Bharathi) set to same raaga?I see many similarities in these 2
- From: Swamiji (@ 198.102.112.201)
on: Tue Dec 5 19:56:45 EST 2000
| S G3 M1 P D2 S | S N3 D2 P M1 G3 R2 S
The above is the swaram for mand...but how do u play G3 & N3 in the keyboard?
Lets say the scale is C, can you please give me the notes from there?
- From: CM (@ 171.69.66.127)
on: Tue Dec 5 20:08:05 EST 2000
Guys,
Are all Deva's gaana songs based on SindhuBhairavi?.
I know its kinda not politically correct to bring
this up here, but curiosity got the better of me.
Also is "Taal se Taal mila" from Taal also
Sindhu Bhairavi.
- From: haris (@ 205.227.43.15)
on: Tue Dec 5 20:22:57 EST 2000
Swamiji,
Try http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Ridge/4694/keyboard-class/legend.htm
- From: Dorai (@ 216.217.47.130)
on: Wed Dec 6 11:01:50 EST 2000
Can someone tell me the raga of the following songs.
1. Nee Oru Kadhal Sangeetham -- Nayagan
2. Sankara Nadha Sarera -- Sankarabaranam
- From: kamini (@ 208.50.99.156)
on: Wed Dec 6 13:03:38 EST 2000
Nee oru kadhal sangeetham is in DESH
- From: Karaharapriyan (@ 15.255.104.11)
on: Wed Dec 6 15:45:45 EST 2000
..and Shankara is in 'Sudha Danyasi'.
- From: Rajesh (@ 199.168.32.5)
on: Wed Dec 6 16:28:54 EST 2000
Can someone tell me the raga for the song:
1. Paarthen paarthen - Sumanesa ranjani ?
2. Enakena erkanave - Kapi ?
from film Paarthen Sirithen.
The first song has the following swaras.
S G2 M2 P N2 S. / S. N2 P M2 G2 R2 S
- From: dr.s.kannan (@ 61.1.207.147)
on: Wed Dec 6 17:08:10 EST 2000
hallo mr.Dorai,Nee oru kadhal sangeetham is set in (HAMEER) KALYANI. thesong Athikkai is set
in kALYANI(YAMUNA) .tHE SONG 'Sankara" in Sankarabharanam film is set in SRI ragam/or you
can fix it in Brindavana saranga
Nirpadhuve nadappadhuve'from Bharathy isalso set
in YAMUNA KALYANI
- From: MS (@ 129.252.23.185)
on: Wed Dec 6 21:16:35 EST 2000
S.Kannan:
Sankar seems to be pure madhyamavathi for me.
- From: sindhuja (@ 203.197.176.120)
on: Wed Dec 6 22:43:12 EST 2000
swamiji,
G1 is the same as R2-as in the raagam gaanamurthi,G2(same as R3-as used in naattai raagam) is as in keeravani,G3 is as in shankarabhbaranam.N3 is also as in shankarabharanam, N2 is as in harikambodhi.
- From: silkfort (@ 202.9.171.75)
on: Fri Dec 8 06:25:33 EST 2000
rajesh,
paarthaen paarthaen sounds like hindolam?
ennullae ennullae is Kaapi
- From: Swamiji (@ 198.102.112.201)
on: Fri Dec 8 14:42:53 EST 2000
Which ragam is Isayil from "Hey Ram" based on? What a nice song...Excuse me please, Iam not so knowledgable in Carnatic...
- From: haris (@ 205.227.43.13)
on: Fri Dec 8 15:12:47 EST 2000
Swamiji, Isayil is in HamsanAdham. other songs in the same ragam are 'thenral vandhu ennai thodum', 'sorgame enrAlum', 'kanni ponnu kail mEla', MSV bit in the song 'thAyE moogambike' from self-titled film.
Whats' the ragam of the song 'malai en vedhanai' from sethu? any updates on , 'nee partha parvai' - heyram, 'amman koil kizhakkale' sk vallavan?
- From: MS (@ 129.252.23.185)
on: Fri Dec 8 16:05:51 EST 2000
haris:
To me maalai en vedhani sounds like "kedhaaram".
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