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- From: MS (@ 129.252.23.185)
on: Sun Nov 19 22:08:04 EST 2000
haris:
The song you are referring to has all the notes of sankarabaranam.
- From: Vasu (@ 192.35.232.99)
on: Mon Nov 20 11:01:16 EST 2000
MS:
Its true that one cannot list all abheri's, but one abheri that comes to mind immediately is "vaarai nee vaarai".
- From: dr.sk (@ 61.1.207.152)
on: Mon Nov 20 14:19:15 EST 2000
Hallo MS,everyone,I feel happy to see the greatness of Aaberi raga as portrayed by you.I can
say that this is a raga thatcan be acclaimed in any language. You can vouch for the new adage that
'Kadavulai nambinor kai vidappadar- Aaberiyai nambiya MD kai vidappadar!'The richness of this raga is so vivid, that a number of Hindi filmtunes
are made in Aaberi- also transcended and dubbed in
TFM also- 1.Khil the haigull yaham... - Radhaiyin
nenchame..kannanukku sondhame..2.Megame.. megame.
in PALAIVANA SOLAI.
The great MSV had composed atleast scores of songs
hit- in this Aaberi.1.Malarndhum malaratha pathi
malar pola valarum vizhi vanname..'from Pasamalar
2.Ninaikka therinda maname..-Aaanandha jothi
3.Palumpazhamumkaikalil yendhi..-PAALUM PAZHAMUM
4.Vandha naal mudal yindha naalvarai..- Pavamannip
pu.5.Vaaradhiruppalo.. vanna malar kanniyaval -
Pachai vilakku.6.Ulagam piranthathu enakkaka..from
Pasam.8.poo malayil orr malligai- from Ooty varai
uravu.and soon..!
When Ilayaraja entered tfm in Annakkili- the title
song Annakkili unnai thedudhe.. set in folk YET it
is set only in Aaberi!2.Rasati unnai kanadha nenju
kathadi poladuthu in Vaidhehi kathirunthal.3.megam
karukkudhu mazhai varapakkudhu 4.Thulli ezhundadu
pattu.. sonda varikalai pottu..5.Poovepoochoodava
nenchil pallvarakava.6.Poongatru thirumbuma.. in
Mudahal mariyadhai.7.Chinnanchiru vayadhil yenakkor chithiram thonudhadi- Meendum kokila
8.Vennila mugampaduthu Kannile..sugam serkudu
THE list will go on expanding!
- From: MS (@ 129.252.23.185)
on: Mon Nov 20 19:38:28 EST 2000
Vasu,SK:
Nice to see your comments
A doubt on kamaas:
I am not use if I have heard any song in this ragam in TFM. Two songs I have heard in the ragam are:
(1) Saamba shivaayanave (varnam)
(2) Brochevaa yevaruraa (krithi - film - Shankaraabaranam)
http://www.jyothish.com/songs/brocheva.ram
(3) Samayamithapoorva saayaannam ( From the film Harikrishnans)
http://members.xoom.com/praveen_mohan/page7/samay1.ram
the third song is peculiar. To me, it looks llike a medley of 3 or 4 ragams. The pallavi "samayamithapoorva saayaannnam" is in kamaas( I guess), but the violins seem to be playing kathanakuthoohalam :-). The first sharanam "kaLamruthus snera sindhooram" sounds like kaamboji. The second sharanam "iniyum kaNNil" starts with "sahaana" and leads to desh("aarumillengilum ninnile ninnil"). To me it seems like quite an imaginative composition.
comments please.
- From: CM (@ 171.69.66.127)
on: Mon Nov 20 21:41:52 EST 2000
Gurus,
What raaga is the song "mandhiram idhu mandhiram thinamthOrum..." from the film AvArampU sung by
KJY.?
Sounds like Bahudhari sometimes and khamaas sometimes. Please clarify.
- From: CM (@ )
on: Mon Nov 20 21:43:42 EST 2000
Ofcourse KVM's "Singaara vElanE dEvA", ofcourse there is a big discussion on whether its Abheri/K.devagaandhari/Bhimplas and Im no expert on this issue.
- From: CM (@ 171.69.66.127)
on: Mon Nov 20 21:45:00 EST 2000
MS
The khamaas that comes to my mind is the song "uyirum neeyE uravum neeyE" sung by UnniK from the film Pavithra, music by ARR
- From: haris (@ 205.227.43.13)
on: Mon Nov 20 21:56:26 EST 2000
MS,
'pallaviyE charanam' from oruvar vAzhum aalayam is in khamas.
- From: haris (@ 205.227.43.13)
on: Mon Nov 20 22:17:55 EST 2000
Does all the mela ragas have some janya ragas? Is the list in the following link complete?? for instance, revathi is not to be found...
http://www.carnatic.com/carnatic/ragalist.htm
MS, i think 'amman koil kizhakkAlE' has r1. (namma ooru = s r1 s r1 = anna vayal) But sankarabanam (dhira shankarabaranam) has r2. can u please tell me how can it be shankarabaranam...
- From: MS (@ 129.252.23.185)
on: Tue Nov 21 13:57:51 EST 2000
haris:
I dont hear r1 but r2. (Infact I remember the interludes also..that was one of my favorites when I was eating kuchchi mittai wearing a "nijaar" only in my grandpa's village:-) It had many "thookkaNaamkuruvi koodus :-)) Anyway, I shall listen to it once again and 'll let you know. If a link is available somewhere please post it. thx.
- From: RR (@ 192.122.134.139)
on: Tue Nov 21 22:16:54 EST 2000
haris: Yes, all melakarta have at least 1 janya raga. Just that the janyas are very rare. Source: my 'Raga
Kadal' book. It lists several janyas e.g. jujuhooli, komaari (no, not so-maari), hejoojji, etc. Downright
funny!
Revathi, i guess, is big miss in Kumar Santhanam's list.
- From: Dorai (@ 216.217.47.130)
on: Wed Nov 22 14:00:32 EST 2000
Hello,
Can someone tell me the Western Classical style of the song "Sundari Kannal Oru Sethi" song of IR. I have read some where that this song is composed based on a special style of Western Classical Music.
- From: MS (@ 129.252.222.2)
on: Wed Nov 22 16:28:11 EST 2000
Raga of sundhari kannal oru sethi = kalyani :-)
- From: Yedakkan (@ 207.82.165.227)
on: Wed Nov 22 17:35:08 EST 2000
MS:)))
- From: Satish (@ 212.18.25.130)
on: Thu Nov 23 07:55:04 EST 2000
What is the carnatic base for the song Pongartile un swasathai nan thedi parthen.
- From: dr.sk (@ 61.1.207.174)
on: Thu Nov 23 15:56:51 EST 2000
hallo,the song Mandhiram from Aavarampoo sung by
kj was set in Karnataka khamas- you can enjoy another song in karnataka khamas in villuppattuk
karan- Ponnil vanam sung by Sj.
Re.the songs set in Khamas- you can fix the follo-
wing songs
1.Koovadha inba kuyil koovum- from Arivali sung by
Banumathy 2. Anbale thediya en arivu chelvam thangam- C.S.J& P.LEELA in sivaji/padmini starrer
Theivapiravi(sOME PEOPLE CLAIM THAT THIS IS SET IN
NAVARASAKANNADA)3.Chithiram pesudhadi from Sabash
Meena.4. Pnnaal. idhu pole varumo inmele - Sung by
TMS/PS in Poompuhar MD. MS SUDHARSAN- the typical
prayogam of khamas will be explicitly made out in
Saranam of this song- MAlaiyidaipirava maa maniye
entho-Alai yidai pirava maniye- Kula madharkal
kondadum kula maa maniya- nalla pnnal"
- From: CP (@ 129.186.67.103)
on: Fri Nov 24 07:39:28 EST 2000
Can anyone tell me the raga of
paarthavizhi in Guna. Is it Varali?
Sound like Chandrajyothi too...
- From: sindhuja (@ 203.200.1.158)
on: Fri Nov 24 08:07:21 EST 2000
satish,
I guess "poongaatrile".... is basically in Kiravaani, but as always , takes its own twists and turns and changes raagaa.
- From: RR (@ 192.122.134.139)
on: Sat Nov 25 00:14:11 EST 2000
Paarthavizhi is in Paavani
- From: haris (@ 205.227.43.12)
on: Sat Nov 25 13:20:53 EST 2000
The raga list in the page
http://www.carnatic.com/carnatic/ragalist.htm
doesnt have sivaranjani and panthuvarali also..
Can somebody give page where i can find a complete list of ragas and aarohanam/avarohanams??
- From: sindhuja (@ 203.197.176.202)
on: Sun Nov 26 09:42:41 EST 2000
haris,RR,:
This is with reference to the discussion about all melakartha raagams have janyams-i referred 2 books and found that lathaangi does not have a janyam(please tell me if it has one)-i found this out in the process of trying to find the raagam of "kurukku chiruthavalae" (Mudalvan).This song is basically in the raagam which is mohanam replaced by the other Dha.This raagam can be a janyam of lathaangi as it has all the swarams of lathaangi.It can also be a janyam of Rishabhapriya,sarasangi or charukesi.This raagam does not figure at all in both the books i referred.So please tell me what raagam this is ; anyone.
- From: dr.sk (@ 61.1.207.193)
on: Sun Nov 26 14:37:30 EST 2000
Hallo , this is an addition to Kamas songs list-
1.Oru nall orupozhudhakilum sivan naamam ucharikka vendum - MKT song in Sivakavi
2.Maanida janmam adainthathu-another MKT song in
Ashokkumar
Hallo Sindhuja, the song Kurukku siruthavale . is
set in Vaasanthi-A daivatha variant of Mohanam
also there are janya ragams of Lathangi .any how I willpost you the same after verifying my records
- From: mottai (@ 205.227.43.14)
on: Sun Nov 26 18:23:20 EST 2000
'theendai' - sri raagam?
- From: Satish (@ 212.18.25.130)
on: Mon Nov 27 05:15:38 EST 2000
What is the carnatic base for the song
Narumugiye Narumugiye Film Iruvar?
- From: sindhuja (@ 203.197.182.23)
on: Mon Nov 27 08:40:03 EST 2000
satish,
narumugaye-a mixture of naattai and mishra maand , i guess.
- From: Trisha (@ 203.199.79.106)
on: Mon Nov 27 11:35:11 EST 2000
What's the raga of 'Theerthak Karai ThanilE, Shenbagap PushpangaLe', sung by Yesudas (music IR)?
- From: haris (@ 205.227.43.12)
on: Mon Nov 27 14:09:01 EST 2000
did anybody found time to confirm the raga of 'nee paartha pArvai' - Hey ram?
'maanin iru kangal konda mAnE mAnE' - maya malava gowlai . right??
If, 'ninnai charan adaindhEn' is puriya dhanasree, does puriya dhan.. has both sudha and prathi madhyamam?
any updates on 'amman koyil kizhakkAlE'??
- From: Dorai (@ 216.217.47.130)
on: Wed Nov 29 11:07:12 EST 2000
I need to know the raga of the following songs
1. Thogai Illamaiyil -- Payanangal Mudivathillai
2. Vaigarayil Vaigai -- Do
3. Raga Deepam -- Do
4. Nee Oru Kadhal Sangeetham -- Nayagan
Can someone help me.
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