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Raga of song please

Topic started by Gopal Prasad (@ greed.cs.umass.edu) on Sat May 17 07:42:45 EDT 1997.
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Hindi Raaga of Songs Thread

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• From: haris (@ 205.227.43.14) on: Mon Nov 13 22:16:36 EST 2000
  
  what is the link for the old ragas-for-songs list??
  Ichi.. can u give the swaras that u got?
  
  
• From: sindhuja (@ 203.197.176.18) on: Mon Nov 13 22:23:25 EST 2000
  
  haris,
  I haven't heard of any film song in mandaari.But you might be aware that "adisayavara prasaadini" is in the same raagaa.
  
  
• From: sindhuja (@ 203.197.176.18) on: Mon Nov 13 22:25:21 EST 2000
  
  haris,
  I haven't heard of any film song in mandaari.But you might be aware that "adisayavara prasaadini" is in the same raagaa.
  
  
• From: Vidhya (@ 24.218.253.227) on: Tue Nov 14 09:52:32 EST 2000
  
  Haris : Raagaa of songs-list link is at the top of this page.
  Click on the link "List".
  
  Balasubramanian: "Chudidhar aNiNdhu vandha" is in aanandhabhairavi.
  
  
• From: CM (@ 171.69.66.178) on: Tue Nov 14 16:54:09 EST 2000
  
  Is the song "Un uthOttra sevvappai andha marudhaani kadana kEtkkum" from panchalankurichi in Anandhabhairavi?. It sounds so to me what do you experts think?.
  
  
• From: CM (@ 171.69.66.178) on: Tue Nov 14 16:56:40 EST 2000
  
  MS: Also I dont think there are many TFM songs in Simhendra madhyamam. What do you say?
  
  
• From: haris. (@ 205.227.43.12) on: Tue Nov 14 17:32:21 EST 2000
  
  CM, The raga-for-songs list has many songs in simhendra madhyamam.
  
  
• From: CM (@ 171.69.66.178) on: Tue Nov 14 20:16:29 EST 2000
  
  haris: 6 is many?.
  Dont take it seriously, compared to a kalyani, kanada etc 6 is a very small number, thats why i said that. Anyway I knew only 4 out of those songs and thats why u found my post.
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.23.185) on: Tue Nov 14 23:01:02 EST 2000
  
  CM:
  
  Simhendhra madhyamam, IMO is not so difficult a raga to compose a song (especially for IR). It differs only in the Nishaadham with ShaNmugap priya and I think the feel of Simhendra Madhyamam is almost equivalent to Shanmugap priya. It is really surprising as to why there are not many songs in it.
  
  
• From: Vidhya (@ 206.216.1.3) on: Wed Nov 15 13:55:52 EST 2000
  
  Salangayil oru sangeetham has a song in Simhendra madhyamam.
  "Nataraajan kudi koNda kalai allavaa"--
  starts with the words'Salangayil oru sangeetham".
  a difficult one to sing..
  
  
• From: CM (@ 171.69.66.127) on: Wed Nov 15 18:40:51 EST 2000
  
  MS: ur post adds to the fact.
  BTW has anyone replied to my query that I had posted yesterday about the panchalankuruchi film song?
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.23.185) on: Wed Nov 15 20:39:02 EST 2000
  
  CM:
  
  TO me it seems like Aaandha bhairavi only.
  
  
• From: haris (@ ) on: Wed Nov 15 21:55:46 EST 2000
  
  Does anybody know - what's the ragam of the song 'nee partha parvaikkoru nanri' from heyram?
  and 'bharatha samudhayam' and 'vande matharam' from bharathi..
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.23.185) on: Wed Nov 15 22:41:07 EST 2000
  
  haris:
  
  vandhe maatharam = sudhdh dhanyaasi
  
  Please visit the link for some info on muhaari ragam:
  
  http://www.dinmani.com/newsItems.asp?id=DNC20001114154502&title=%A3%B2U%F4&eTitle=Dinamani+Cinema+Page
  
  
• From: Satish (@ 212.18.25.130) on: Thu Nov 16 07:52:29 EST 2000
  
  What carnatic raga is the base for song Snehidhane Snehidane film alaipayude.
  
  
• From: Rajesh (@ 199.168.32.7) on: Thu Nov 16 19:07:52 EST 2000
  
  CM/Haris/MS,
  
  I think the following are in Simmendra madhyamam. 1. Maanin eru kangal from 'Maapillai'
  2. Roja poonthotam from 'Kannukul nilavu'
  
  I posted the second one in the ragas database...but i didnot see it approved. Please confirm.
  
  
• From: haris (@ 205.227.43.14) on: Thu Nov 16 19:18:04 EST 2000
  
  i think maanin iru kangal - is in mayamalava gowlai.
  
  
• From: sindhuja (@ 203.197.176.191) on: Fri Nov 17 08:37:55 EST 2000
  
  satish,
  "snehidane" starts of with raagam chaaramati , then goes to mohanam,shivaranjani(just 1 line)and then its back to chaaramati.
  
  
• From: haris (@ 205.227.43.13) on: Fri Nov 17 14:49:48 EST 2000
  
  i have a question in the basics.
  The swaras of Harikambhoji (a melakartha raga) is s r2 g3 m1 p d2 n2 s.
  The swaras of Dheera sankarabaranam (another melakartha) is s r2 g3 m1 p d2 n3 s.
  The swaras for mohanam ( janyam of Harikambhoji) is s r2 g3 p d2 s.
  
  My question is the swaras of mohanam can be derived from either HK or DS. ( i.e., The swaras of mohanam is a subset of either HK or DS...)
  
  Then why is mohanam said to be a janyam of HK and NOT DS???
  
  This is true in the case of many (NON-sampoorna) ragas .....
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.23.185) on: Fri Nov 17 15:12:25 EST 2000
  
  haris:
  
  See old resposnses :-) Very same quesiton by me was answered by IR.
  
  
• From: &&& (@ 207.82.165.160) on: Fri Nov 17 15:17:47 EST 2000
  
  IR=>Isai Rasigai not ...you know whom:))))
  
  
• From: haris (@ 205.227.43.15) on: Fri Nov 17 17:10:45 EST 2000
  
  MS, i tried to find it in the old responses. but there's a discussion on HK and mohanam - as part of porale ponnuthayi discussion.
  
  Can u please briefly tell me what IR had to say...
  
  
• From: Vidhya (@ 24.128.190.210) on: Fri Nov 17 20:05:37 EST 2000
  
  To label a raagam's meLakartha, two basic rules can be
  1) the swarams match with the meLakartha.
  2) the raagam has the same bhaavam as the meLakartha.
  The first meLakartha that comesup is labelled as the janyam. This rule doesn't hold good in a few cases.
  No hard n fast rules.
  
  
• From: haris (@ 205.227.43.13) on: Fri Nov 17 20:42:02 EST 2000
  
  bhava: i understand it as 'feel' 'emotion' ...
  
  but doesnt' that depend on the way u play? and does all janyams of a mela have the same bhava??
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.23.185) on: Sat Nov 18 02:11:25 EST 2000
  
  haris:
  
  See here:
  
  http://newtfmpage.com/forum/8354.ros.html
  
  
• From: tom (@ 205.227.43.14) on: Sat Nov 18 06:31:57 EST 2000
  
  'theendai, mei theendaai' - sriraagam???
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.23.185) on: Sun Nov 19 16:17:03 EST 2000
  
  Aabheri:
  
  A raga which has some of the greatest songs. Every great MD has atleast a number in it. The greatness of this raga is the different forms in which it can be handled. Want a duet ? classical ? dance number ? solo to express sorrow ? folk number ? formless melody ?you name it and you have it. It will be difficult to list down various great numbers in this ragam. Hence I shall attempt to list a few songs from various languages to press on the versatility of the ragam.
  
  
  (1)chupke chupke raath dhin (hindhi)
  
  This is one of the best songs I have heard in this ragam. IT is a ghazal and ghulam ali's voice leaves ou in trance. You will not want to listen ot any other song for sometime after you listen to it.
  
  http://www.calcutta-on-net.com/bollywood/audio/chupke.ram
  
  (2) thaamasamenthe varuvaan (malayalam)
  
  IMHO, this is the Mallu equivalent of "chupke chupke". Yesudas's voice does more wonders than ghulam ali's. tuned by Baburaj. IMHO, these two songs require vivid imaginataion even to conceptualize.
  
  http://music.acmecity.com/flat/897/links/mallu/thaamasamendhe.ram
  
  These two songs becuase of their ghazal nature, remind you clearly of "mEgamE mEgame" - another classic.
  
  (3) yeh zhindhagi usiki hai (hindhi)
  
  To say that this number is a killer from Naushad - Latha combo is an understatement. The oozing melody takes you to different state.
  
  http://209.207.247.131/cgi-bin/tssongs/load.cgi?f=oldies/a/anarkali/YehZindagiUsikiHai.rm&l=1&i=2437&d=1
  
  (4) kaNgaL enge (tamil)
  
  If LM dominates the Naushadh number, Susheela dominates this number from MSV. IMO, this is the tamil equivalent of (3). The beauty of the two songs is that they are set in the same scale and hence you will have no resistance in hearing them in succession. you will feel no discontinuity
  
  http://63.248.118.218/songs/ppp/ps_solos/kangal_enge.rm
  
  (5) Megam karukkuthu (tamil)
  
  To my knowledge there are not many folk songs in aabheri. One song with IR's beautiful orchestration is from the movie aanandha raagam.
  
  http://mailbag.simplenet.com/RealAudio/Ilaiyaraja_MegamKarukuthu.ra
  
  (6) mallelu poose (telugu)
  
  One of the gems of SPB in telugu. Tuned by Rajan-Nagendra, it ranks among some of the greatest romantic tunes. SPB is absolutely LOVABLE (sorry for the shouting :-)) U feel like being cuddled by SPB's voice - and I really mean it !
  
  http://64.81.35.203/songs/IntintiRamayanam_Mallelu.ram (or)
  
  http://64.81.35.203/songs/ghi/IntintiRamayanam_Mallelu.rm
  
  (7) Neelavaana Odaiyil (tamil)
  
  From vaazve maayam. A fantastic number from SPB.
  
  http://www.yogi.net/Songs/NeelaVaana.ram
  
  
• From: haris (@ 205.227.43.15) on: Sun Nov 19 19:14:12 EST 2000
  
  MS, Thanks for the link. it helped a lot. though i'm still as intrigued as u :-) about the classification.
  
  In the song 'ninnai charanadiandhen' - i think IR has used both m1 and m2 ( sudha & prathi). so, can we say that it is not pure-hamsanandhi?
  
  What's the raga of the song 'amman koil kizhakkAlE' from sahalakalavallavan?? i think the swaras used in that song goes like this,
  s r1 p d2 n3 s. i'm not sure whether any g or m used in this song at all.. roughly i think it has something to do with suryakantham. please clarify.
  
  
• From: RR (@ 192.122.134.138) on: Sun Nov 19 21:23:05 EST 2000
  
  haris: IMO, 'ninnai charanadainthen' is in puriya dhanasri. (also confirmed by themusicmagazine.)
  
  

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