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IR GETS LATHA MANKESHKAR AWARD !

Topic started by NagasubramaniaN (@ fw.baan.nl) on Fri Dec 4 01:26:45 EST 1998.
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hi,
today's dinakaran has this info.
IR gets Lathamankeshkar award given by MP state govt.
http://www.dinakaran.com/daily/12041998/cinema/award.html
Any idea about this award & other persons who got this award ???
NagasubramaniaN

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• From: MS (@ 129.252.222.2) on: Wed Apr 18 02:52:09 EDT 2001
  
  hmmmm..LV..Apples may be good for health but it should be discussed in food forum :-)
  
  
• From: Neels (@ 203.199.87.3) on: Wed Apr 18 04:35:07 EDT 2001
  
  LV,
  Impressive ...
  
  I am an ardent fan of Lata and have grown up with her songs... Her oh-so-sweet rendition of classical numbers such as 'Oh Sajna Barkha bahAr Ayee' (Parakh) and 'Kaise Din beete' (Anuradha), 'Chad gayo pApi bichwa' (Madhumati), 'jo tum tOdO piya' (Silsila), 'Piya TOse Naina lAge re' (Guide), 'BaiyAn na dharo' (Dastak), 'rasm E Ulfat' (Dil ki rAhein) are matchless. I rate her as the best singer in Hindi cinema.
  
  I beg to differ on the Chitra comparison, which was NOT fair at all.
  
  If you compare Chitra's renditions in Hindi to Lata's renditions in Tamil or Malayalam, that would be fair.
  Lata has been a great singer no doubt. But she definitely is OFF form now. The 'Piya Basanti' number would have sounded awful in Lata's voice now. Listen to her Lagaan Bhajan number or her duet with Sonu Nigam, 'KhAmOshiyAn gun gunane lagi' from 12ka4. Only hardcore fanatics of Lata can blindly praise her rendition. Her co-singers in the song, Udit Narayan and Sonu sound far superior. Age is the factor I agree.. but why not have some one else like Kavita do it? I fail to understand.
  
  Have you listened to Asha Bhosle's rendition of KAtril Endan Geetam (S.Janaki, film Johny)in Balu Mahendra's Hindi remake of KOkila ('Aur Ek Prem KahAni)? It's awful. Does that make Janaki a better singer?
  
  Have you listened to both the versions of 'Shenbagame Shenbagame'? the version by Sunanda is far superior compared to Asha. But unfortunately, it's Asha's name that got stuck to the song and she hogged all the credit. I remember AIR airing Sunanda's version and still crediting it to Asha.
  
  Like Eden said, will Asha and Lata be able to do justice to the semi-classical numbers of Chitra?
  Or at least take the pain to render their Tamil or Mallu numbers with good diction? They are the so-called Queens of INDIAN MUSIC (they never say Hindi film music.. Such arrogance!) At least she (Chitra) is learning Urdu and trying to better her diction. The fact that someone like Gulzar went all the way to Chitra for the Sun Set Point album with Bhupinder Singh proves that she is good. He could have taken Lata or Asha.
  
  So, comparisons need to be made on a fair ground.
  
  BTW, Lata has sung for Salil Choudhry in the following films, none of which were from the 80's as you had mentioned.
  1. Agni Pareeksha
  2. Anand
  3. Anna Daata
  4. Anokha Daan
  5. Chaaya
  6. Char Diwari
  7. Choti si baat
  8. Do Bigha Zameen
  9. Jeevan Jyoti
  10. ChAr diwari
  11. Half Ticket
  12. Rajni Gandha
  13. Madhumati
  14. Maya
  15. Mem Didi
  16. Mere Apne
  17. Poonam ki raat
  18. Parakh
  19. Prem Patra
  20. Usne kaha tha
  
  Rajni Gandha and Chhoti si baat were the latest.(1974 and '75 respectively)
  
  
• From: LV (@ 203.197.81.21) on: Wed Apr 18 12:26:54 EDT 2001
  
  neels,
  
  1)Go to the foll. site and you'll see a host of lovely Salil songs sung by Lata in the 80s but they are Bengali songs. (Agneepareeksha is from 1981.)
  http://www.cybercomm.nl/~gautam/Salil/Film%20Songs/films.html
  There are many songs of Lata in the 80s that are out of this world. I'll add 'Silsila' to the previous list I had given.
  
  2)Please - I have nothing against Chitra at all. She is a singer par excellence, her semiclassical Carnatic songs are very marvellous. The only thing that I wanted to point out that she is a bad Hindi singer, and somtimes a bit shrill. As I said I have heard Chitra's Mallu songs with SAlil C. These tunes were recycled from original Hindi ones and I know that Lata's versions are far better. BUT I AGREE WITH YOU THAT CHITRA IS GREAT - I only objected to someone saying that her remakes of RDB songs were as good as those of Lata/Asha - which is absurd.
  
  
  3)Even I agree that Lata sounds awful now - I mentioned it previously and in a pretty emhatic manner. But I feel the deterioration came after Maachis and definitely not in the 80s AT ALL. Go through the list of songs I gave and you'll understand what I mean. Also some of her early 90s songs are lovely.
  
  4) As far as the deterioration of Asha's voice, thats not true at all, even today.
  
  
  
  
  
• From: Trend (@ 216.68.113.227) on: Wed Apr 18 13:32:43 EDT 2001
  
  Digression:
  Excuse me for barging in between the "could never reach a conclusion" discussion.
  
  Fliflo,
  
  "All highly jobless dudes"
  If you are worried about me,I'm semi-busy with projects(God's grace).It actually charges me up when I alternate between work and posting some nonsense here.
  
  Anyway,I appreciate you for the time you have to be concerned with highly jobless dudes like me.
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.222.2) on: Wed Apr 18 17:09:18 EDT 2001
  
  Guys:
  
  (1) LV says LM is great. U dont have a problem.
  (2) LV says Chitra is great. U dont have a problem
  (3) LV also has admitted IR is great. U dont have a problem.
  
  LV, now that nobody has a problem, say something different and pertinent to TFM :-)(NOM)
  
  This is the nth time we have asked you not to digress from TFM. Hope you would hear our voices (though non-lata) too. thx :-)
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.254) on: Wed Apr 18 17:29:12 EDT 2001
  
  Trend;
  
  I saw few titles as ".....Jobless" other than yours..I just told to use a different name as being "Jobless" and being "workless in a Job" are different..If you are shifing here and there then you are more an "occasional workless" guy than a highly "Jobless" one..Many, who visit TFM page fall in your category...
  
  
• From: Neels (@ 203.199.87.3) on: Thu Apr 19 04:32:45 EDT 2001
  
  LV,
  One more point before I sign off from this thread (at least for now)..;)
  
  Listen to Lata's so-called Shraddhanjali to the all-time greats of HFM (Title: SHRADDHANJALI; HMV). This was released in early 90's. She has spoiled most of the numbers in these cover versions (though these can't be termed as the typical 'cover versions'). If she wanted to do a Shraddhanjali, she could have done it
  1. when her voice could do judtice to the numbers (ie. before the mid-80's)
  
  OR
  
  2. by just giving a prelude talk as an introduction to each of her favorite numbers of the late musicians and play the original number itself. She could probably have hummed a little bit here and there, if it came naturally before each song began.
  Which could have made it a nice, collecter's item.
  I was most disappointed when I bought this multi-volume set, thinking it's the latter (#2).
  
  The cynic in me feels that it was yet another money-making exercise from HMV, masquerading as a tribute.
  
  I am all for the view that the TN Government should constitute an award in IR's name and select Lata as the first recipient. And most importantly create a good buzz about the award and make it a prestigious one.
  
  But going by the TN State award committee's selections every year which invariably is politically motivated, coupled with the likes of Vairamuthu being in close proximity to the movers and shakers in the ruling political family, the CM might very well ignore IR and instead constitute an award in the name of ARR or worse still, Deva and SAR!!!
  
  PS: If you are in disagreement over my view on Asha's voice as of today, I strongly reccommend her rendition in 'Aur Ek Prem kahani' and compare it with Janaki's original Tamil version in the film Johny. Age has definitely taken the toll on her voice too, although it's not so bad as Lata's.
  
  
• From: LV (@ 203.199.130.137) on: Thu Apr 19 09:07:50 EDT 2001
  
  Dear Neels,
  Well listen to S Janaki's song that has the same tune as 'Jiya jale' and you'll see that it is as bad as Lata's. Though S Janaki is more than 10 years younger than Lata.
  
  
  Dear MS:
  The topic is such that a discussion on HFM invariably creeps in.
  
  Eden,
  I you feel that it is wrong of me to compare Lata with SJ/KSC/PS ..... well.... I can say that it is wrong of you to say that IR is the greatest MD ever born in India. There are other MDs in North who are as good .... Salil C,RDB,SDB,Roshan .... to name a few. Maybe you may say that IR is the best in TFM ( I beg to differ on this too - are we forgetting MSV,KVM and even ARR ? )
  
  
• From: LV (@ 203.199.130.137) on: Thu Apr 19 09:09:41 EDT 2001
  
  neels,
  
  well I disagree that Lata's Shradhhanjali was bad. I thought she has really beautifully sung them - especially the Mukesh and KL saigal.
  Again I feel her voice was very good right through the 80s. Lekin... Heena to name a few again please
  
  
• From: kiru (@ 192.138.149.4) on: Thu Apr 19 10:50:12 EDT 2001
  
  MS,
  LV has agreed IR is great but he opened it up for debate saying there are equally great people in HFM world. But above all he is not convinced that a composer's musical contribution is more than a pop/semi-classical singer. This is what is prolonging this debate. Is it you or eden who said that this singing Lata's paen here is like selling dry fish in a flower market ? Very good one.
  
  
• From: Lv (@ 203.197.81.69) on: Thu Apr 19 10:57:41 EDT 2001
  
  kiru,
  well it is also wrong to say that IR is the best music director in the South - what about KVM,MSV,ARR?
  
  
• From: vamban (@ 12.5.10.153) on: Thu Apr 19 11:02:12 EDT 2001
  
  simply other MDS dont know how to compose.
  
  
  
• From: rajaG (@ 207.43.195.201) on: Thu Apr 19 11:59:13 EDT 2001
  
  LV: yeah! What about them? They are all very good. And some of them are much better than most of the Hindi MDs you have named. And it is extremely difficult to name one among them as the best (because most idiots think that if one says IR is the best, then somehow it is to be construed as everybody else sucks). But when you are looking for
  
  a) versatile creations covering many genres of music
  b) a trend setter and NOT a mere follower and generator of numbers
  c) insignificant number of copies/inspirations
  d) has a very distinct stamp that most common listeners can recognize, identify, and associate.
  e) prolific creativity (so one time wonders don't count)
  
  the circle becomes smaller- and IR comes out ahead. Please don't mention about SDB, Salil, RDB, ....again and again. Nobody belittles them, but they are NOT numero uno.
  
  I hate to bring in personal references, but just like you, I am also a non-thamizh nadu south Indian. All through my formative years, I also grew up listening, enjoying, and singing/performing the melodies of all those MDs you have mentioned. And then IR happened upon me. No! I was NOT leading a vacant life before that. But, while there are many others who all have claims to be top 3, top 5 etc, the No.1 spot belongs to IR alone.
  
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.254) on: Thu Apr 19 12:03:50 EDT 2001
  
  "because most idiots think that if one says IR is the best, then somehow it is to be construed as everybody else sucks"
  
  Where do you stand in this...Does it apply to other MD's too..:-)))
  
  

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