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IR GETS LATHA MANKESHKAR AWARD !

Topic started by NagasubramaniaN (@ fw.baan.nl) on Fri Dec 4 01:26:45 EST 1998.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

hi,
today's dinakaran has this info.
IR gets Lathamankeshkar award given by MP state govt.
http://www.dinakaran.com/daily/12041998/cinema/award.html
Any idea about this award & other persons who got this award ???
NagasubramaniaN

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• From: LV (@ 203.197.80.76) on: Mon Apr 16 09:17:06 EDT 2001
  
  Dear people,
  
  Why cant you realize that there is nothing wrong in praising Annu Mallick for Refugee as that was a good album. Why create such a fuss about LM praising AM about Refugee??
  She did not praise him for mediocre albums, did she?
  
  Dear MS:
  Look at the Salil Chaudhary website (there's a link to it from the RMIM page) about the songs of Chitra for SC.
  
  
• From: LV (@ 203.197.82.191) on: Mon Apr 16 09:19:52 EDT 2001
  
  again,
  I do not say that AM is a good MD at all ,he is quite the opposite. But good music from him , which Refugee is, should be praised.
  
  
• From: lv (@ 203.197.82.191) on: Mon Apr 16 09:20:50 EDT 2001
  
  dear areshan,
  >>>>arr is not a good md.he is coping songs from english albums....
  
  PLEASE ELABORATE!!!
  
  
• From: kiru (@ 192.138.149.4) on: Mon Apr 16 13:18:01 EDT 2001
  
  aruLaracan,
  The pupil/iris is just like in photography (my other hobby). The aperture has to be reduced based on light and the lens has to be focussed based on the distance. These are done involuntarily by the parasympathetic nervous system. But we do this consciously as well - when things are small we, uththuppArppOm. When there is lot of light, 'kannai surukkuvathu'. Below is an excerpt from britannica.com.
  
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  The third cranial nerve (oculomotor nerve) contains parasympathetic nerve fibres that regulate the iris and lens of the eye. From their origin in the Edinger-Westphal nucleus of the midbrain, preganglionic axons travel to the orbit and synapse on the ciliary ganglion. The ciliary ganglion contains two types of postganglionic neurons: one innervates smooth muscle of the iris and is responsible for pupillary constriction, and the other innervates ciliary muscle and controls the curvature of the lens.
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  I am told britannica.com will be moving to a subscription model :( one of the bad side-effects of the dotcom bust.
  
  
• From: aruLaracan (@ 134.124.160.10) on: Mon Apr 16 14:28:54 EDT 2001
  
  kiru: :-)) still there is a problem with "distance". focussing changes the exit pupil but not the aperture stop. the iris acts like an aperture stop (the exit pupil is slightly behind the iris if i remember the numbers correctly). the pupil is dependent on the light level - true. pupil size depends on the distance of the object - not true.
  
  
• From: kiru (@ 192.138.149.4) on: Mon Apr 16 15:30:07 EDT 2001
  
  aruLaracan,
  You are right. The pupil is the name given to the 'aperture'. MS and I were using pupil/iris synonomously. I was assuming the iris controlled the lens but it looks like it is the ciliary muscles. So the pupil size does not change but things in the eye change based on the distance. In summary nothing changes based on the size of the object.
  
  
• From: Trend a.k.a highly jobless (@ 216.68.113.227) on: Mon Apr 16 15:47:22 EDT 2001
  
  Vairamuthu has illustrated the concept of photography in one of his songs.This song can be seen as a camera singing to the image.In the song "Mellisaiye" from Mr.Romeo.
  
  "kannai konjam thiranthaen kangalukkuL vizhundhaai
  enadhu vizhigaLai moodi koNdaen chinnachiru kangaliL unai chirai eduthaen"
  
  
• From: aruLaracan (@ 134.124.159.71) on: Mon Apr 16 17:08:14 EDT 2001
  
  trend: :-)
  
  kiru: my last posting on this pupil issue. depending upon the distance, two things happen with the eyes: (1) the lens (which sits behind the iris/pupil) changes the curvature of its front surface (the least curvature when looking at infinity; the increase in curvature as one looks at a closer object is called accomodation; we lose this ability of accomodation in the mid-/upper forties resulting in the commonly known veLLezuththu problem); (2) the eyes convege (both the eyes move towards the nose) as the object is brought closer; this accomodation, convergence actually do make the pupil larger (again due to the sympathetic nerve you had mentioned; i hope i am correct in stating this :-) ). for the human eyes, only when the object is near, the changes in position results in a change in the pupil size. for cameras, the mechanism is, obviously, different and one can control the aperture size and hence the pupil size independent of the object distance and light level (but of course, one would get a defocussed and over/underexposed image). ATTam mudindhadhu; vIdi thirumbalAM :-))
  
  
• From: UVII (@ 63.224.65.186) on: Mon Apr 16 17:08:47 EDT 2001
  
  LV,
  Why cant you realize that there is nothing wrong in praising Annu Mallick for Refugee as that was a good album. Why create such a fuss about LM praising AM about Refugee??
  She did not praise him for mediocre albums, did she?
  
  Ithukku peyar thaan JALRA. Refugee is just another average album.
  
  
  
• From: Supremely Jobless SL (@ 63.253.226.157) on: Mon Apr 16 18:39:10 EDT 2001
  
  Trend ...or KaNNadAsan's 'kAthalan vanthAn kaN vazhi sendrAn kaNgaLai moodu paingiLiyE..'
  
  
• From: rajaG (@ 207.43.195.202) on: Tue Apr 17 17:16:39 EDT 2001
  
  LV: I have heard the tribute to RDB show by SPB, Chitra, Sudesh, and Sailaja. Merely because you say Lata's version is infinitely superior to Chitra's doesn't make it so. In accent, emotion, expression, voice quality,..........all the features Chitra matches Lata (and that too in a LIVE show). As MS pointed out earlier, please don't use industry quotes as basis of your arguments. Even IR said, "idhu varaiyilum naan appaLamum orrugaaiyum thaan thandhirukkirEn". Don't try to look for "the cook IR" at the next wedding reception. Sometimes they are humble. Sometimes they have false humility. Sometimes they are ignorant. Sometimes they are plain idiots- just like many of us here are trying to be.
  
  It is very true that Singers, very Good Singers add immense value to compositions - but it is just that. They "ADD VALUE". It is still upto the Composers to CREATE VALUE (and large chunks of it). That is why, even if Rafi, KK, Lata (20 years rewound) and Asha (10 years rewound) sang those sanam, kasam, rub, songs of today's AM, Nadeem Shravan, Viju Shah they would still sound ordinary. Maybe I would not hate them as much as I do Kumar Sanu's and Udit's vomits, but still I will not be humming them like I do for the IR numbers.
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.254) on: Tue Apr 17 19:34:22 EDT 2001
  
  *Digression*
  All highly jobless dudes; Is it because of the ongoing lay-offs?...If not than you guys can be workless in a Job...this minute touch-up might look better...::-))
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.222.2) on: Tue Apr 17 19:43:40 EDT 2001
  
  Fliflo:
  
  There are some guys who are perennially jobless and the oldies here know atleast one, by name :-)
  
  
• From: LV (@ 203.197.80.64) on: Tue Apr 17 23:56:23 EDT 2001
  
  rajaG
  Chitra's Hindi accent is not at all good. And she is far more shrill than Lata. I dont know how you thought she matched Lata's sweetness and emotions - I feel she made a terrible mess of those songs, and many people felt so. The way she sang 'Tere bina zindagi se... ' - oh -it was nerve rattling , and she just fumbled while singing the naughty 'chunri sambhal gori...'.
  When I listen to such concerts, I feel reaffirmed that Lata is a far superior singer. Chitra's own cheerful admittance further proves it. So equating Chitra to Lata is a grave mistake.
  Chitra sounds pretty ordinary (shrill and badly accented) in her album with Ustaad Sultan Khan, and the other one with Gulzar. Compare them to similar Lata albums in her heydays, Lata wins more than easily. No wonder so many people even from South regard Lata ( and not Chitra) as Swar Saraswati.
  And Sailja messed around with Asha hits during that RDB tribute. She also spoilt the Rangeela songs during ARRs Dubai concert.
  
  Well, as far as people opining that Lata is perhaps the greatest singer(along with Asha,PS) - everyone cannot be wrong. When every music director, every playback singer of today, every classical singer from north and south,almost every whizkid at programmes like Saregama and all local orchetsras, says so, that IS true. I have already told very much earlier in this forum that even S Janaki and P susheela considered Lata their ideal. I once read an SJ interview in which she went on to describe the songs of Lata she liked, and how Lata had worked wonders with ordinary tunes.
  
  As I previously said, Lata has sung wonders with many ordinary music composers like LP,KA,Bhappi Lahiri, rajesh roshan. I have even told of 1-2 AM tunes that Lata has turned to gold. Listen to the song 'Aaina hai mera chehra' from Aaina composed by Dilip Sen and Sameer Sen, who are considered to be otherwise ordinary composers,Lata has turned that to gold too!!
  
  As far as rewinding Lata 20 years back, thats a bit unfair. There is a huge long list of Lata songs in the 80s and a few in the 90s where she sounded pristine. These include:
  1) The 2-3 songs of Sur Sangam (the remake of Sankarabharanam)
  2)The song 'Sang so javo' from Tarang
  3)The songs of 'Saagar' like 'Saagar kinare'
  4)Ghazals with Khayyam like 'Ae dil-e-nadaan', 'Ahl-e-dil yun hi nbha lete hain..'
  and 'dikhai diye yun'
  5)Songs of 'raam teri ganga maili', there is a beautiful bhajan - 'ek radha ek meera' and the heavenly 'Chithiye' from Heena.
  6)Several lovely songs with RDB like 'tune o rangeele kaisa ...'
  7)Several beautiful songs with Salil Chaudhary in the 80s
  8) A semi-classical album, and a bhajan album with none other than Bhimsen Joshi!!!!!!!!
  
  As far as the 90s, well Lata sounded glorious in every song of Lekin. All those songs are extremely popular in all shows. Even the songs of Rudaali and Maachis were great. But Latas best of the 90s were her ghazal albums with Jagjit Singh - Sajda and Adaa. The ghazal 'Dhuan banake..' is a musical feat. And then during the Pune National Games, she had sung 'Aakash ke us paar bhi..' at the age of 63. That song has showed the great range of her voice.
  
  Well after Maachis, Lata sounds awful ,but the comment 20 years rewound is a bit prejudiced.
  
  Even in the 40s , 50s , 60s and 70s when HFM was gloriuos, Lata has taken several ordinary tunes to great heights. I could give you a list of about 100 such songs if you are that interested. The song "raam ratan dhan paayo" has been sung by several classical singers and film singers. But when Lata sang it, she created history.
  The reason - there is terrific sweetness, emotion and resonance in her voice. Kumar Gandharva, the legendary classical singer, once remarked that Lata is best example of the 'hidden resonant gandhar'.
  
  Of course, you people here are just making excuses by telling me to ignore the remarks that so many maestros are making about Lata. When I give a list of Lata songs, people here crib. If so many maestros praise Lata/Asha, thats true, else they would have praised other singers as much.
  
  
  Now however I feel that Lata should stop - she has lost all her charm about 7-8 years ago. (and not 15 as you might say - it doesnt matter even if you say so - I given a long enough list, and it is actually much longer, and all those songs are great and popular among lovers of good music)
  
  
  One more thing - I think Asha still sounds great today - guess its the age difference with Lata. The way she sang 'Rang de' and Rangeela, and her Taal song. And that great song 'Kabhi to nazar milao' Recently she has released an album of her 24 favourite songs. That was good too. Saying Asha's voice has deteriorated smacks of bias.
  Asha's song with Daler Mehendi composed by AM sounds great due to Asha's voice. And what about 'Janam Samjha karo'.
  Merely your saying this (or that Chitra's/Sailaja's apologetic remakes of Lata/Asha songs are great) DOES NOT CREATE THE TRUTH.
  
  
• From: eden (@ 210.214.5.220) on: Wed Apr 18 01:26:04 EDT 2001
  
  When I give a list of Lata songs, people here crib
  
  LV, did you realise why people crib with your list? This is Tamil film music discussion forum, and your LM lists are all HFM stuff...It's something like selling dry fish in flower market...what else do you expect as reaction from people here?:-((
  
  None of us are telling LM is bad, neither do we question her singing skills certified by maestros, but her contribution to TFM is negligible!
  
  Similarly, comparing her singing with those of KSC, SJ, PS will lead us nowhere. If you think KSC's Hindi is not good, then what about Latha's Tamizh or Malayalam? I can't imagine Latha or Asha singing `pAdariyEn' or `mannjal prasAdhavum':-)))
  
  Looks like the thread has taken a new direction now, KSC v/s LM:-))
  
  

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