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TFMin isai kuyil PSa, SJa, Chithravaa?

Topic started by Shanmugam Murugappan (@ ifmxmenlo.informix.com) on Thu Dec 3 16:32:36 EST 1998.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

Hi all,

I just surfed thro' the net and happened to see the profile of PS. She was heralded as the "Lata Mangeshkar" of TFM. Does she deserve that crown more than SJ and Chithra?

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• From: Sam (@ cache.gh.com) on: Thu Jun 15 09:08:03 EDT 2000
  
  Equating PS with SL - Well GOD save TFM.
  
  The "Extra" thing which is present only in SJ as everybody claims is also there in PS songs(Many songs can be listed...), only difference being is in SJ's case this "Extra" is explicit(Her Mukkals, Munagals are so explicit adding a "extra" effect) whereas it is very very subtle in PS Songs. People can never notice this, because most of the time she mesmerizes with her beautiful voice, we forget the other good things
  
  
  IMHO, PS songs are like Slow Poison(Please forgive me for equating like this) - Initial Effect may not be there, but finally when it makes an impact.........
  
  Again IMHO, KSC songs are like peppermint.Sweet,nice.. Effect will be there for sometimes and after that you need another one to sustain the sweetness.
  
  So as it is asked, where we are headed in this discussion, and what is the conclusion
  
  In a subjective topic like this, people who have more time to access the net will win.
  
  
  
• From: rajaG (@ daecfp02.sprint.com) on: Thu Jun 15 11:03:14 EDT 2000
  
  "In a subjective topic like this, people who have more time to access the net will win." - Excellent comment!
  
  
• From: Velaiyaththavan (@ 129.252.22.9) on: Thu Jun 15 13:31:30 EDT 2000
  
  mmm..
  
  
• From: Bored (@ 207.82.165.100) on: Thu Jun 15 15:37:38 EDT 2000
  
  Srinath, ayyyayyyooo yenna vittudunga:))) I did not lable SJ as a mimic. My comment was targetted at posters who repeatedly pointed to this facet of SJ's singing all the time.
  
  
• From: Srinath (@ 63-217-90-105.sdsl.cais.net) on: Thu Jun 15 22:39:45 EDT 2000
  
  Bored:
  Yes that is one of the less appealing facet of SJ's singing, IMO too :-)
  
  Vijay:
  Do you remember SPB's laugh in Pattu Kannam Thottu Kolla ? SJ has done it in another song, from Guru I think ! I shall confirm it tomorrow. Little things like this add a new dimension to a song rather than just enhance its existing value :-)
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.22.221) on: Thu Jun 15 23:35:50 EDT 2000
  
  Srinath,
  Is it in the song 'endhan kannil ezhulagangal'?
  I remember only the moans;))
  
  
• From: eden (@ 61.1.250.214) on: Fri Jun 16 00:07:59 EDT 2000
  
  Srinath & vijay!
  SPB & SJ are inimitable `laughter' specialists in TFM...miles ahead of anyone else...so natural & so nice...
  
  Both MSV & Raja relished in making use of this often, to great effects (end piece of `indha minminikku' comes to mind...)
  
  PS & KSC laughing in the beginning, end or middle of a song? mmhooomm..
  
  
• From: G.Ragavan (@ 202.144.29.21) on: Fri Jun 16 00:22:28 EDT 2000
  
  MSV used SJ very less. To end PS era IT used SJ more. Even he could not escape from PS wave.
  The order is
  PS
  SJ
  C
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.22.221) on: Fri Jun 16 01:17:44 EDT 2000
  
  Ragavan,
  U mean the chronological order, right?;))
  Eden,
  was'nt PS laughing at the start of "en kanmani en kaadhali" from chittukuruvi.
  
  
• From: Balaji (@ webproxy06qfe0.sbi.com) on: Fri Jun 16 08:09:43 EDT 2000
  
  Eden:
  
  Another EXAMPLE OF PS's Lauging:
  'Sirippil undagum Ragathile..." from Engirundho Vandhan.. Listen to PS's laughing, so natural so mesmerizing
  
  Balaji
  
  
• From: laughter (@ pugsly04.slip.yorku.ca) on: Fri Jun 16 09:05:55 EDT 2000
  
  Ha ha ha:-)
  
  
• From: rameshb (@ 63.98.159.45) on: Fri Jun 16 13:40:30 EDT 2000
  
  Nobody can level the emulating performance of NSK in a sirippu ... song in which he traverses through a medley of archetypical laughing. But, laughing can not be an element of comparison between PS and SJ since PS belong to a genre when Tamil Film believed in a notion pombaLA sirichchA poachchu . The noticeable thing in that kAkki chattai song when SPB laughs is that PS remains nimble wit without any giggly gestures even in her subdued rendering.
  
  
• From: yaaro (@ 32.97.32.194) on: Fri Jun 16 18:22:21 EDT 2000
  
  PS' laughter pathi theriyanumaa?
  
  1. Aandavanin thOttathilE
  2. Enunga MaappiLLE enna nenappu
  3. Deviyin thirumugam dharisanam thandhadhu
  4. Javvadhu mEdaiyittu
  5. Sirippil Undaagum RaagathilE (alreay quoted)
  6. Enna solli naan ezhudha
  
  
  
• From: Srinath (@ 63-217-90-105.sdsl.cais.net) on: Sat Jun 17 00:27:55 EDT 2000
  
  rameshb:
  PS has done a very poor job in that song. Perhaps that is why IR didn't use her a lot. Her style of singing does not go well with SPB's, whereas the SPB-SJ combo is a match made in some weird duet-heaven :-) And since SPB was miles ahead of any singer on planet earth (when it came to singing in TFM :-)) IR probably chose SJ to sing along with him. Coming back to Pattu Kannam, yes, I agree that PS' voice sounds very sweet and is note-perfect - but she lacks something that SJ would have added to that song. PS' rendition is very mechanical in that particular song.
  
  
• From: eden (@ 61.1.250.205) on: Sat Jun 17 01:55:11 EDT 2000
  
  rameshb!
  Can laughing be an element of comparison between SJ & KSC at least?:-) pombaLai sirikkAdha kAlaththil thAnE PS `sirippil uNdAgum rAgaththilE' pAdi irukkAnga?
  
  vijay, Balaji, yaaro!
  Agreed there are samples of other female singers' laughter...but can any of them match SJ? mmhooomm...
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.22.9) on: Sat Jun 17 02:09:55 EDT 2000
  
  eden :
  
  Ironically, it is only from you did I infer KSC laughing beautifully in a song ("kaithappoovin" from "kaNNezuthi pottum thottu") and Sujatha in the song "hey chumma chumma" from "olympian anthony adam " (weird name for a movie - huh!):-) though Sujatha is out of discussion :-)
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.22.221) on: Sat Jun 17 02:11:58 EDT 2000
  
  Eden,
  "but can any of them match SJ? mmhooomm..."
  Exactly, that's my point;)
  
  
  
  
  
  
• From: eden (@ 61.1.250.194) on: Sat Jun 17 05:37:51 EDT 2000
  
  Digression!
  are vijay & vElai living close by? The IP addresses appear to show a common ISP...
  
  
• From: Srinath (@ 205.252.37.3) on: Mon Jun 19 11:36:59 EDT 2000
  
  Vijay:
  The song I was talking about is "Parandhaalum vidamaaten" from Guru.
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.22.221) on: Mon Jun 19 12:22:38 EDT 2000
  
  eden,
  Yeah, we live close by, in fact we are roomies;))
  
  
• From: SL (@ 207.82.165.100) on: Mon Jun 19 13:59:24 EDT 2000
  
  Even now, we do not know if Vijay is vElai or MS is vElai ?:)))
  
  
• From: Bug (@ goliath5.primary-server.net) on: Mon Jun 19 14:18:08 EDT 2000
  
  eppadi allavo roomies erukka vendum :))
  
  Vazhuthukal!
  
  Bug
  
  
• From: Jay Narayanasamy (@ 1cust161.tnt3.har1.da.uu.net) on: Mon Jun 19 18:20:51 EDT 2000
  
  "Ealla pattum OrE maathiri irukirathu. Motham 20,30 vacabulary' thERum. AnEkamaaka EllavatRaium SPB than paadukiRar...paatukku naduvil avapozhuthu nakalaaka sirikiRar...Anaithum raaja VErvai! "
  (from Sujatha Vimarsanam :-))
  
  
• From: SL (@ 207.82.165.100) on: Mon Jun 19 18:36:37 EDT 2000
  
  Jay, which movie was that for ?
  
  
• From: Jay Narayanasamy (@ 1cust158.tnt9.har1.da.uu.net) on: Mon Jun 19 22:58:59 EDT 2000
  
  SL,
  
  Miscommunication... :-)) Some years ago Sujatha had commented about songs(all together in general:) It doesn't matter. SPB'n 'nakkal siripu', it matters :-)
  
  
• From: Rajesh kumar.v (@ gate.silverline.com) on: Tue Jun 20 08:14:05 EDT 2000
  
  
  FOR EVER P.S is THE TFM's ISAI KUYIL..No one can ever replace her
  
  
• From: Kumar (@ 203.197.149.53) on: Thu Jun 22 03:39:24 EDT 2000
  
  In most of the songs, SJ's voice is reminding me
  of Kovai Sarala's voice. Has anyone noticed the
  same feeling?
  
  
• From: eden (@ 61.1.250.155) on: Thu Jun 22 04:52:08 EDT 2000
  
  Kumar!
  A very big NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
  
  
• From: karthi (@ ac82bd66.ipt.aol.com) on: Sat Jun 24 09:04:07 EDT 2000
  
  I think KOvai Sarala's voice is younger...:))
  
  
• From: Rajagopal (@ 203.199.228.158) on: Sat Jun 24 14:07:09 EDT 2000
  
  Hi All!
  Listen to the songs sung by PS and SJ and one need not decide. PS alsways emerges the winner."Kaalathai vendravan nee.." (in Adimai Penn) the continuous humming and "Naan oru Ponoviyam kandaen..".(PS,SJ & SPB).
  "ISAI ARASI ENNAALUM NEEYAE, UNAKKU ORU INNAI AAGUMAA.." (Thaai Moogambikai). Music by IR and rendition by PS, SJ & S Rajeswari.
  
  
• From: karthi (@ ac9bbb73.ipt.aol.com) on: Sat Jun 24 19:05:30 EDT 2000
  
  Srinath:
  "Pattu Kannam" is one old long forgotten song, and I wonder why you chose that song to label PS as "mechanical" or "lacking something extra" etc!
  I can quote a lot of songs like these where SJ would make us feel the same way or even worse!
  
  Rajaji:
  In one of your postings you say "there's no song of PS which cannot be sung by KSC or vice versa". True. But the discussion here is not who can or cannot sing a certain song. It's only a question of who does a better job. If SJ were given the no's given to PS she would have sung them too. In the same way, if MV(Malaysia) were given the songs sung by SPB, he would have sung them too! But, as you see it doesn't work that way!
  
  
• From: Srinath (@ dialup-209.244.228.69.washington1.level3.net) on: Sun Jun 25 02:28:30 EDT 2000
  
  Karthi illama oru PS discussion nadakkuma ? :-) Welcome back saar ! BTW, I mentioned Pattu Kannam purely for SPB's laughter. Rameshb thaan PS nalla paadirukkaangannu sonnaar ! I responded only to his statement :-) and I also mentioned "in that particular song" So I wasn't labeling PS, podhuma ? :-))) And Karthi, don't substitute PS vs SJ with SPB vs MV !!! PS sings nothing like SPB :-) Duet na eppadi irukanumunnu therinjukka you can listen to any SPB-SJ song :-)
  
  
• From: aruvi (@ scully01.slip.yorku.ca) on: Sun Jun 25 02:46:04 EDT 2000
  
  Is your last sentence a joke? Or are you trying to be serious. I admit that both have had their fair share of really great duets. I for one can think of 'malare mouname' as a great duet with total involvement by both singers. But I think that PS has good duets too, I personaly like her solos better because I can't stand TMS's voice. I also think that duets in KJY-Chithra combo are good. Likewise, I think that AMRaja and Jikki duets are pretty good. But just because Janaki can give mukkals with equal support by SPB doesn't mean their duets stand out. Personally, I find quite a number of their songs like that distasteful primarily because they would be more fun to listen to without it all. Of course, you are probably going to talk about movie situations now:-), but I am just talking about the songs in general. Of course PS sings nothing like SPB, but SPB sings nothing like PS.
  
  
• From: aruvi (@ scully01.slip.yorku.ca) on: Sun Jun 25 02:48:19 EDT 2000
  
  Umm...just so you don't think there was attitude in the first two sentences, I was really trying to clarify if you really meant it as a joke because of the smileys or you were serious but put the smileys in to tell the others to take it lightly. The reason I am explaining is because it is easy for people to misunderstand...:-(
  
  

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