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TFMin isai kuyil PSa, SJa, Chithravaa?

Topic started by Shanmugam Murugappan (@ ifmxmenlo.informix.com) on Thu Dec 3 16:32:36 EST 1998.
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Hi all,

I just surfed thro' the net and happened to see the profile of PS. She was heralded as the "Lata Mangeshkar" of TFM. Does she deserve that crown more than SJ and Chithra?

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• From: aruvi (@ spock01.slip.yorku.ca) on: Wed Jun 14 20:58:32 EDT 2000
  
  Smile, neenga pEr maathiratha vidamaadeengala? Please go and read my posting again. Then clarify to me where I said I didn't like PS's version of 'en uyir thozhi'. Yep, I think that the kid could sing 'Kannalanae' well too. And considering that I don't believe I said what you implied, I was not 'jokinged'.
  
  Didn't get a chance to read the rest carefully. I will answer back in a while. But honestly, I had already posted that the matter is of personal taste. But honestly, KSC is not a punch bag for you guys to bring down just because she is being compared with SJ and PS. Because I know for sure that a lot of you would be at each others neck if someone said that PS was better than SJ or vice-versa. I wonder if there is a thread for that:-)
  
  Now let's put it this way. I personally feel that Swarnalatha can sing sad songs with more feeling than PS.
  
  
• From: I can call myself anything I wish to (@ 207.82.165.100) on: Wed Jun 14 21:42:50 EDT 2000
  
  Aruvi, I read your posting carefully again and again and again.......you said you were disappointed after hearing the original. There is no ambiguity in this :))) My only claim is that KSC has a thin voice and you do not have to feel sorry for KSC :))) If she has a thin voice, that's the fact . She has not been used as a punching bag or anything to that effect. My another claim is that PS's voice is a miracle, impactful at the same time melodious. She can express seductive playfullness very well , but unfortunately while she was the queen of TFM, the heroines were often projected as 'kudumba viLakku's and hence such numbers were hard to come by. You have to first listen to singers of all eras to pronounce a judgement. Singing like a kid or an old lady is a mark of good mimic , not necessarily a great playback singing attribute.
  
  
• From: Neel (@ ts004d26.har-ct.concentric.net) on: Wed Jun 14 22:12:40 EDT 2000
  
  Did you forget kEttELE angE from BadrakALi? That adAvadi and invitation, oh man.
  
  
• From: Srinath (@ 63-217-90-105.sdsl.cais.net) on: Wed Jun 14 22:28:46 EDT 2000
  
  Call yourself anything you want to, but don't label SJ a mere mimic ! A loooong time back I had posted the same point about different kinds of songs for different periods. Miracle, impactful, everything is agreed, but like Vijay said, SJ is a better singer because she performs the art of singing better. Consider this: most of SJ's biggest hits did not have the advantage of lyrical beauty that PS enjoyed with a significant portion of her songs - don't ask why or how, but lyrics haven't exactly been "miraculous" or "impactful" in SJ's era - particularly for the vampish heroine. So the point about era also becomes irrelevant. There were some advantages with an equal number of disadvantages. IMO, SJ made a song seem more natural and real than any other singer - even PS. That is why I consider her the better singer.
  
  
• From: Balaji (@ 1cust216.tnt12.nyc3.da.uu.net) on: Wed Jun 14 22:43:51 EDT 2000
  
  Aruvi:
  
  "I personally feel that Swarnalatha can sing sad songs with more feeling than PS." --- Thats ridiculous!!!!!
  
  Please listen to 'Kadhal Siaragai..' (From Palum Pazhamum -- has all the sogam/expectations of a heroine waiting to join her lover). PS-ji(when chitra gets a ji because she has sung some hindi songs, I am sure PS can also get a ji, as she has some Hindi songs too, the one remember is Sinhasan..) has rendered it with such pain, I can't imagine anyone else can express that pain so well.
  
  You wrote: Balaji, vilunthidiyalla?:-)
  ==>WHat does this mean! (Are you asking whether I have fallen down,Pardon me I am a tubelight!@!!)
  
  You wrote:... I am not a particular fan of old songs.
  ==> I also doubt whether you have really heard many old Tamil Songs. Atleast the comparison between Swarna & PS just amplifies your ignorance..
  
  Having said all this, I belive KSC is a very good singer and surely is not a legend, atleast not yet (after singing for 15 years).. I loved her "enge..' song from KK and had expresse her well.
  
  Please do not tarnish PS, Surely that will not raise KSC stature.
  
  Balaji
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
• From: aruvi (@ spock01.slip.yorku.ca) on: Wed Jun 14 23:02:39 EDT 2000
  
  To: I can call myself whatever I want
  
  Sure you can. The problem is that when you direct postings for me, I would like to know who it is without having to go back to old postings and checking numbers.
  
  Frankly, after hearing the little girl sing, I was disappointed. She was very good,
  
  Read the above. Where does it say that I did not like it. I just said that the girl was more impressive to me, at least.
  
  Balaji
  
  "Same levele Uthaikkuddhu??"
  
  My remark was just a joke for that comment. I can see why you came to your final conclusion:-)
  
  Just because I said that I am not a particular fan of old songs doesn't mean that I have not listened to them. I can bet that I would be able to name most of the popular old songs that other listeners can. And I grew up with old songs going on all the time at home TMS/PS mostly, and watched mostly old films due to my parents preferences. So there is no chance of me being ignorant.
  
  And furthermore, I did not refer to Chithra-ji as Chithra-ji because she sang hindi songs. Another example of your wrong conclusions. That is how ARR refers to her, first time I heard her by that, so I liked it and use it.
  This wasn't intended to bring others down.
  
  
  FINALLY,
  
  People, my statement about Swarnalatha wasn't intended to belittle PS. Why are you people looking at how many years a person has been singing or there age to give them credit. Swarnalatha sings with a lot of feeling. Though she has sung fewer numbers than PS, that doesn't mean she can't be credited for her talent. Latest example is 'Evano oruvan'. Even Kumudam magazine had stated that after a long time, one hears a song with much feel "unarchigal". I do think that she is worthy of the praise.
  
  Later...
  
  Hey narathar.,
  konja naal forum-E dull-a irunthichu, yaar vacha neruppO, romba soodEridithu..:-)
  
  
  
• From: Neel (@ ts003d25.har-ct.concentric.net) on: Wed Jun 14 23:21:00 EDT 2000
  
  Srinath,
  SJ did enjoy a lot of ornamental lyrics (as opposed to meaningful lyrics) from VM which PS did not. But it is a fact that the clarity and thiruththam in PS's rendition elevated the quality of the lyrics.
  
  
• From: Balaji (@ 1cust216.tnt12.nyc3.da.uu.net) on: Wed Jun 14 23:30:03 EDT 2000
  
  Aruvi:
  
  Sure my conclusion about why you call KSC as chitraji was premature as I came with my own reason for that without you spilling it out..
  However how is that becomes another example of my wrong conclusions (Have I made many such absurd assumptions earlier???!!! )
  
  Aruvi, your statement that Swarna is better than PS in rendering sad songs with feeling was not fair IMO. You can praise Swarna and I have no problem with that.
  
  BTW, in which film is the song 'Evano oruvan'??.
  I would love to hear that..
  
  Balaji
  
  
• From: aruvi (@ spock01.slip.yorku.ca) on: Wed Jun 14 23:35:24 EDT 2000
  
  Balaji,
  
  You had asked the question earlier about falling down.
  
  How can you say it is not fair to say that about Swarna?
  
  
  
  
• From: Neel (@ ts003d25.har-ct.concentric.net) on: Wed Jun 14 23:48:30 EDT 2000
  
  Aruvi,
  I have to agree with you on Swarnalatha's expressiveness. Evano Oruvan is just amazing. Brings tears to my eyes. SL also adorably expressed innocence of Kushboo's character in pOvOmA OorgOlam and sheer joy in kAdhalennum thErvezhdhi. But to call her better than PS will be premature. SL sure is better than KSC in my opinion.
  
  
• From: aruvi (@ spock01.slip.yorku.ca) on: Thu Jun 15 00:06:06 EDT 2000
  
  Neel, nice to see that you agree about her. SL is better than KSC in your opinion. SL is better than PS in my opinion. What's premature about this?
  
  
• From: Neel (@ ts003d25.har-ct.concentric.net) on: Thu Jun 15 00:27:50 EDT 2000
  
  SL has not had enough opportunity to prove herself completely though she is doing a very good job. SL has not yet delivered the variety that PS has. That is why it will be premature to compare them. KSC has had hundreds of songs but I can count the good ones with my one hand. Rest are just run-of-the-mill quality.
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.22.221) on: Thu Jun 15 01:32:51 EDT 2000
  
  SL definitely has a better voice than other ladysingers right now IMO, but she is not a better singer than PS or SJ. Its a fact that she has not been given ample opportunities and after IR no one has used her properly. She has been reduced to singing mostly crappy numbers for Deva and SAR. And of late I find her to be a little unclear when she sings in the higher octaves.
  Its sad that IR and ARR for no reason choose to give songs to Bhava and Sadhana Sargam and they continue to kill them, the former with her sruthi or lack thereof and the latter with her pronunciation.
  
  Coming back to PS vs SJ I first of all do not find the lyrics argument to be very appealing. And even if it were true SJ has been singing mainly for IR from 1975-1999 and out of these 24 years VM was with IR for just 6 or 7 years from 80-87. So SJ has sung for many lyricists songs.
  
  In fact what makes one listen to songs like 'raasave chitherumbu kadikuthu' or 'chakravalli kizhangu' etc. might not have anything to do with the 'great' lyrics of those songs. It is simply SJs magic. Only in the last 2 or 3 years I have noticed a marked deterioration in her voice. Nenjinile and maargazhi thingal sounded a litle awful to me. her voice seemed to be shaky.
  
  To summarize my stance on this, PS and KSC are no doubt technical perfectionists executing everything perfectly the way MDs want the songs to be. After seeing various arguments I also agree to a certain extent that both of them have sung songs suiting various moods. But unfortunately SJ gives that extra 'something' that these singers lack in their songs. A timely laugh here or an extra moan there, most of them atleast to me seem as if they were done impromptu and as if she was really enjoying the songs.
  
  I remember Srinath listing examples like 'chinna chinna' and explaining the touches given to those songs by SJ. It is that which makes her top my list.
  
  Of course all these are my opinions and are purely subjective;))
  
  
• From: aruvi (@ kramer01.slip.yorku.ca) on: Thu Jun 15 01:41:33 EDT 2000
  
  Did it ever occur to you that those songs were indeed run of the mill songs. Afterall, all singers sing them. Not every song that comes out will be good. And certainly, the MD has most of the input as what he prefers. But to go back to the topic, I can list many songs of all other singers that are run of the mill. And I can also list many songs of Chithra that are really good, with expression, etc.
  
  Where is this leading to? Are you going to list songs now?:-) Sorry, but I don't have the time to do that.
  
  People, I will get back into this thread in about a week. Until then, hold the fire please. Thanks...
  
  Have a great time guys,
  regds,
  aruvi
  
  BTW, no one answered how to make the fonts in different styles. I know it is irrelevant to this thread but I can't find a thread for it:-)
  
  

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