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Is ARR Running out of Stuff?

Topic started by Ramesh Vaidhyanathan (@ gengw.gensym.com) on Fri Mar 13 15:14:51 EST 1998.
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I listened to VandeMatharam in which ARR recycled his own tunes from Kizhakku Ceemayile and a touch of a song from Indira.
Also ARR's recent movies for big time producers like Ratchagan and Iruvar (except one song) and Dhoud in Hindi did not have any notable music. Remember ARRs last hit Minsarak Kanavu music was done long time ago.

If for a major album for Sony released on 50th year of Indian Independence, ARR cannot produce original music, then I have to come to the conclusion that he is running out of stuff. I heard that ARR is planning to cut down on movies and concentrate more on albums. Thus he will have to produce less and earn more.

Right now I do not see any difference in the quality of music produced by ARR and Karthik Raja. In fact I think Deva is doing a better job of providing consistant good quality music.

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• From: Murali Sankar (@ 129.252.22.112) on: Tue Mar 9 15:22:50 EST 1999
  
  Dear CHAN,
  
  It hink you are going to get the kick of your life from the fellow dfers for your post. You have presented the exact opposite of the reality.
  
  Srinath ...? Are you there ? :-))
  
  
• From: Murali Sankar (@ 129.252.22.112) on: Tue Mar 9 15:22:57 EST 1999
  
  Dear CHAN,
  
  It think you are going to get the kick of your life from the fellow dfers for your post. You have presented the exact opposite of the reality.
  
  Srinath ...? Are you there ? :-))
  
  
• From: SM (@ nat01smurugap.sgum.mci.com) on: Tue Mar 9 15:32:46 EST 1999
  
  Chan,
  
  I agree with you about "Chinna Thambi" songs. But, with that we cannot generalize all of IR's albums, can we? What about songs from "Johny", "Mouna Raagam", "Udhaya Geetham", "PayanangaL Mudivadhillai" and a lot others? I am listening to "iLamai ennum poongkaatru", "putham pudhu kaalai", "Germanyin" often right from the day it was released. So, with one album, you can't generalize others. Otherwise, I agree with you on the other points you have made regarding ARR.
  
  
• From: Onnappu Paiyan (@ 202.54.125.207) on: Tue Mar 9 15:50:51 EST 1999
  
  Chan Saar!
  
  Thanx for making me realize that ARR's scores have complexity!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  All along I have been fooled by fellow Dfers that it was IR who scores complex melodies. Sila per ARR 'nunippul meygirar' endrellam sollittu Irundango! Now I know! O!
  
  Onnappu Paiyan
  
  
  
• From: dorai (@ gateway7.ey.com) on: Tue Mar 9 15:55:21 EST 1999
  
  Chan,
  IMO, "Chinna Thambi" songs are evergreen and I can listen to them anytime even now just for the brilliant Flute pieces in Poovoma oorgolam....
  IR music definetly has longer life that ARR otherwise we would be comparing IR with ARR so long after 8 years since ARR came in.
  
  
  
• From: dorai (@ gateway7.ey.com) on: Tue Mar 9 16:14:57 EST 1999
  
  Should read as "we would not be comparing IR with ARR"
  
  
• From: Srinath (@ spider-wi034.proxy.aol.com) on: Tue Mar 9 16:17:14 EST 1999
  
  Murali Shankar:
  The actual culprit here is Shanmugam Muruappan a.k.a SM !
  
  SM:
  What point of CHAN do you agree with ? CHAN is a relative newcomer with an open, honest, personal taste. One thing I admire is CHAN's usage of phrases like "I think.." and "for me.." which imply that CHAN is just expressing his/her opinions (which are so far displaced from reality that it is not worth elaborating). But I have no problem with that ! But as a frequent DFer and neutral TFM admirer, you should have pointed out that if not for the disclamatory phrases in CHAN's post, the entire post would be a personification (postingonification ?) of falsehood :-)) Instead, you agree with some of his points - I would love to know which ;-)
  
  IMO, you cannot be truthfully neutral and agree with CHAN's post at the same time - the two are mutually exclusive !
  
  
• From: Srinath (@ spider-wi034.proxy.aol.com) on: Tue Mar 9 16:19:01 EST 1999
  
  SM:
  I choked on my "g" while laughing at CHAN's post :-)) Sorry ! it should read Murugappan !
  
  
• From: SM (@ nat01smurugap.sgum.mci.com) on: Tue Mar 9 17:11:15 EST 1999
  
  Srinath,
  
  > The actual culprit here is Shanmugam
  > Muruappan a.k.a SM !
  
  Why am I blamed here? Well, I agreed with Chan about his reference to ARR's songs. I too don't like some of ARR's songs that much when I listen to them the first time. But, next time when I hear them, I am forced to listen to it again and after repeated hearings, I don't listen to them for a long time. The same is the case for "Chinna Thambi" songs also. These were the points that I agreed with Chan. At the same time, I have clearly mentioned in my posting that just with one album we can't generalize all of IR's albums. A lot of IR's songs are still fresh in my mind and I am listening to them even after 15 years after their release. With regards to neutrality, yes, I am truthfully neutral. I am a ARR fan who believes that IR is the BEST composer FM has ever seen and sincerely hope and wish ARR to reach anywhere near that level.
  
  > IMO, you cannot be truthfully neutral and agree > with CHAN's post at the same time - the two are > mutually exclusive !
  
  I didn't agree with Chan's posting completely. I have clearly mentioned that in my posting.
  
  
• From: SM (@ nat01smurugap.sgum.mci.com) on: Tue Mar 9 17:23:26 EST 1999
  
  
  Srinath,
  
  And as far as neutrality is concerned, I have clearly mentioned in some of my postings in the other thread that IRs 80's songs and many of the old songs are still fresh and IR is God's gift to FM. I am a ARR fan now. At the same time I am a big fan of IR and MSV also. Let me refer to a question-answer in Arasu BadhilgaL (Kumudam).
  
  Q : Arasuvukku piditha iyakkunar?
  
  A : Andru Balachander, indru Manirathnam, endrumae Bharathiraaja
  
  Adhae maadhiri, enakku piditha isai amaippaaLar, andru MSV, indru ARR, endrumae IR.
  
  So, I am not a culprit and all:-)). Hope things are clear now.
  
  
• From: kiru (@ surf0004.sybase.com) on: Tue Mar 9 17:41:39 EST 1999
  
  CHAN,
  You have totally misrepresented IR's music. IRs music is very complex, to be specific very polyphonic. He is a fan of Western Classical music and see that he exploits it very well in tuning TFM. I have not seen this much (or any) of Western Classical in ARR's music. When people say ARR is westernised I think they should be specific and refer to POP/ROCK influence (which has roots from different parts of the world, especially Africa).
  
  Yesterday I was listening to 'Karagaattakkaaran' and was amazed to see IR use guitar in a village/folk songs. Not to mention that he uses Western Classical kind of violins also.
  
  Listen to some Bach, Mozart and then listen to IR. You will see the influences.
  
  I too like ARRs music but for serious listening I prefer IR.
  
  
• From: CHAN (@ svr08-p17.ppp.umb.edu) on: Tue Mar 9 18:30:34 EST 1999
  
  People you have totally gone off track here. All i tried to do was to analyze why ARR's music is short lived. I never went into who was talented or whose music was more complex for i am a novice when it comes to music. So there is no reason for fellow TFM listeners to oppose me in that respect.
  
  I have tried to paraphrase whatever i said earlier.Whenever we keep hearing a particular song more frequently it tends to loose its flavour.Songs from "C Thambi" falls in this genre and so does most of ARR's song.
  
  Most IR songs stand the test of time coz u do not hear it constantly but from time to time.
  
  I do not understand how you got the idea that i was favouring 1 MD as to the other. for sure i am an ARR fan but the prev posting did not favour any MD or did it go into the intricacies of composing music. I THINK YOU PEOPLE ARE BLINDED BY WORDS LIKE "SIMPLE" IF IT ACCOMPANIES IR. It would be worthwhile FOR THE NEUTRAL TFM ADMIRERS and the lot to read the entire posting and understand the underlying idea before venturing to bash the idea.
  
  
• From: Ram (@ ott-on9-02.netcom.ca) on: Tue Mar 9 22:20:25 EST 1999
  
  It's no surprise to see such ignorance from IR fans. Here was this guy Chan saying how he gets hooked to ARR's songs and slowly grows to like the songs, and how he thinks that IR's songs don't grow on you like that. This was his personal taste and the way he listens to music.
  
  Then this guy, Murali Sankar, says that Chan is going to get the kick of his life for that post, because the reality is the exact opposite. So what Murali is saying is that Chan doesn't know what his personal preference is and that IR fans like Murali know how Chan's mind works.
  
  Shankar, you said that because IR fans rush out to buy ARR's last cd, means they are unbiased and objective. But the real reason is that, they think IR is this genius and when they hear all these people going gaga over ARR, they have this feeling that maybe ARR's songs have something, so they rush out, buy the cd, and try to find minor faults or find a tune that is vaguely similiar to one of his earlier songs. Then they blow it out of proportion and tell everyone how ARR is so hollow, so they can prove it to themselves that IR is still God to them.
  
  You also said that ARR's songs are badly recycled. I said this earlier, but I will repeat this point: doesn't that mean all ARR fans would be sick of ARR by now because his songs can't be tolerated for a long time and hearing this 'recycled' stuff?
  
  Anyways, you all see that ARR hasn't run out of stuff this year when he releases about 6 to 7 more alums. But then again, some of you guys are really creative, and it wouldn't surprise me if find a pebble and try to tell us that it's a mountain.
  
  
  
• From: Murali Sankar (@ 129.252.22.112) on: Tue Mar 9 23:22:04 EST 1999
  
  Dear Ram,
  
  I think your posting is going far from sanity. Never do/did I intend to tell others what their preference is/should be. You have grossly misunderstood what I intended to convey. CHAN was declaring that ARR's songs are complex and IR's otherwise. I was just telling him in a hilarious manner that his views are wrong and that IR's is far more complex. This was the "reality" I was talking about and nothing else.
  
  On the other hand I find your posting attributing reasons for the rush the IR fans indulge in, once a cd of ARR comes out. Your posting's third paragraph contradicts the essence of the second. We are no sadists - after all we are not the pulic relations officers/promoters of IR.
  
  If you had pondered for a moment, you would have understood that I had taken the side of ARR in this thread. Please read my last three postings and the list of ARR songs I had given. Your posting has just added on to the fact that HCARR fans want to "fight it out" rather than think over the situation calmly.
  
  Take the stands Mr SM and Srinath have taken. They were differing on their views but expressing themselves in a way completely rational and lovable. I was trying to tell the dfers that ARR has not run out of stuff and I find my dear ARR fans countering my posts.
  
  I could have understood if my postings had been countered by Srinath/Shankar/Raj (I mean HCIRFs), but the situation is now totally comical (except for me :-)))
  
  yours
  
  This guy Murali :-)))
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.22.112) on: Tue Mar 9 23:23:12 EST 1999
  
  typo - pulic - public
  
  

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