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IR Songs with Stereo Effect.

Topic started by ganspb (@ 170.220.2.13) on Mon Jul 28 10:45:31 EDT 2003.
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Friends,
I am a regular visitor for this site.
I have a question which is haunting me for a while.
We all know Priya was the first stereo in TFM in
1977.
Is there any specific reason why IR did not record those wonderful songs in "Stereo"in the following years between 1978 and 1982.
I know there were few in numbers even during that period.
Even after that he was not consistent.
Any thoughts?

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• From: ganspb (@ 170.220.2.13) on: Mon Aug 4 11:00:22 EDT 2003
  
  Evolution Vii,
  Thanks for your compliment and the priceless songs.
  I am tempted to ask you this.
  By any chance do you have the other songs,
  'Devathai'and 'Yaroo' from Pattakathi Bhairavan in the same cd.
  If you have it could you please upload.
  Right now the version of 'Devathai' in 'coolgoose' is not the best one.
  Thanks.
  
  
• From: ganspb (@ 170.220.2.13) on: Mon Aug 4 11:06:34 EDT 2003
  
  Evolution Vii,
  I fully agree with your comment about the other songs.
  
  
  I always felt IR had the biggest advantage than any other music director in the world,which is to handle more number of Instruments with out any complexeties.
  All his interludes were dominated by 'violins' but still time and again he had used 'wind'instruments and 'Electronic Instruments' side by side with a good rhythimic support.
  That is why he is always the 'Raja' in orchestrization.
  I am also searching for any software in this world which could convert those songs to 'stereo'.
  Any ideas?
  
  
• From: Jag (@ 35.11.98.63) on: Mon Aug 4 12:15:05 EDT 2003
  
  Evolution Vii,
  Do you know how much it costs to digitally remaster such recordings? Does anyone know?
  
  
• From: Evolution Vii (@ 203.124.2.20) on: Tue Aug 5 01:02:24 EDT 2003
  
  HI ganspb & jag...the digital rematering comes wif most cds nowadays..as for the Inreco cd I'm having, it was out in 1996, hence the digital remastering...but Priya was a 16 channel track mixed & stereo mastered way back 1n 70's which gave its distinctive feel compared to others...
  
  as for the remastering of the songs, I believe the company which has the "audio rights" & "distibution rights" will only be the ones who will be able to re-release the classics in digital remastering...They r Inreco records, Echo, Raaja, Lahiri studios, Avm Audio, Pyramid Audio, Oriental records & their platinum editions came out in digital remastering...
  
  gansb..I'll try to upload the "devathai" song later....
  
  
  
  
• From: Evolution Vii (@ 203.124.2.20) on: Tue Aug 5 01:12:01 EDT 2003
  
  HI ganspb & jag...the digital rematering comes wif most cds nowadays..as for the Inreco cd I'm having, it was out in 1996, hence the digital remastering...but Priya was a 16 channel track mixed & stereo mastered way back 1n 70's which gave its distinctive feel compared to others...
  
  as for the remastering of the songs, I believe the company which has the "audio rights" & "distibution rights" will only be the ones who will be able to re-release the classics in digital remastering...They r Inreco records, Echo, Raaja, Lahiri studios, Avm Audio, Pyramid Audio, Oriental records & their platinum editions came out in digital remastering...
  
  gansb..I'll try to upload the "devathai" song later....
  
  
  
  
• From: ganspb (@ 170.220.2.13) on: Tue Aug 5 11:07:05 EDT 2003
  
  Evolution Vii..Thanks for the information.
  Looking forward to listen to 'Devathai'
  
  
• From: geeth (@ 62.215.3.38) on: Tue Aug 5 11:51:14 EDT 2003
  
  evo7, nice uploading.
  
  thanx saravanan (again).
  
  after Pattakathi Bairavan there was a gap in Stereo songs. and the next best stereo recording effect was noticed in AlaigaL Oyvadhillai (first stereo for BarathiRajaa?)
  
  then Echo company was started (with full support from IR) and Stereo started its flow again in albums released by Echo. can't remember which was the first Echo release. Aanadha Raagam & Echchil IravaugaL were among the first few. the song 'Oru raagam paadalodu' has some good stereo effect in it.
  
  
• From: Vj (@ 61.11.79.36) on: Wed Aug 6 00:48:53 EDT 2003
  
  "Kaadhal oviyam" song and its recording from Alaigal Oyvadhillai still has a "WOW superb" effect on me..:-)
  
  
• From: Evolution Vii (@ 203.124.2.38) on: Wed Aug 6 01:35:38 EDT 2003
  
  Yes geeth , the Echo company was very popular those days by looking at the number of records & cassettes I used to collect those days...practically all were Echo...& the sound quality was quite good.
  
  1 more thing abt record companies...I remmeber having the my very 1st tamil cd way back from EMI...it was a collection IR songs from murattu kaalai, illamai kolam, annakili, meedum kokila..etc...the recording & masteriing were in mono...not impressive at all..
  
  my echo cassettes sounded so much better...now i believe most of the Echo rights have been given to Rangasammi Parthasarathy(music director) of Oriental Records who is doing a commendable service by giving gd digitally mastered cds...
  The other music directors had Rakam72 & AVM Audio ...Avm Audio released agni saatchi, thaneer thaneer, uyirullavari usha, shankar guru & many other 80s - 90s movies....ALl AVM movies by IR were released in AVM audio...
  
  IF i can recollect correctly "Chinnathambi" was the last time IR used Echo...After which Lahiri studios released "thalapathi"in CD & Tape...Many were confused at that time that "Thalapathi" was an Echo release...Actually those out were pirated cassettes...Will upload "raakamma kaiyatuttu" from the original Lahiri Cd on a later date...
  
  At later 90's stage when IR got detached wif Echo, he started his own "RAAJA" label, the recordings were very much more superior than Echo or rather any other music labels...I remmeber having the cassettes & after a later date Cds of Mannan, Oorellam un Pattu, Thambikku oru Pattu, rickshaw maama, pandithurai & a lot more before IR gave up the "RAAJA" label which i considered a bad move...
  
  Here is the devathai song from "pattakathi Bairavan" ganspb..enjoy..by the way this was from Echo..:)
  
  http://www.coolgoose.com/go/song?id=71304
  
  
  
  
  
• From: Evolution Vii (@ 203.124.2.55) on: Wed Aug 6 03:56:04 EDT 2003
  
  As promised, the Lahiri Cd recording of Raakamma Kayaythattu from Thalapathi...BBC Best song of the year...
  
  lets enjoy it once again from the maestro..
  
  http://www.coolgoose.com/go/song?id=71336
  
  
  
  
• From: geeth (@ 62.215.3.46) on: Wed Aug 6 10:01:13 EDT 2003
  
  evo7, Raakkamma came 3rd in the BBC poll. its not for the best song of the year but a poll on world's most favourite song. busy with work now. will listen later. can u upload 'yamunai aatrile' song from this CD later.
  
  
• From: ganspb (@ 170.220.2.13) on: Wed Aug 6 18:18:24 EDT 2003
  
  Evolution Vii,
  
  Thanks for the song 'Devathai'
  I appreciate you very much for honouring my request.
  
  
• From: k (@ 192.138.150.249) on: Wed Aug 6 20:42:18 EDT 2003
  
  I am happy to see this much interest in IR's recordings.
  IR's orchestration when recorded very well is a sonic delight.
  Here are some technical details so you guys are clear about certain things.
  
  Stereo - means same. Here it means two tracks or channels. There is a right and left speaker channel. When an instrument is recorded in stereo you can place it anywhere between the left and right speakers (it is called panning). The instrument can also be place closer to the listener or away from the listener (called fading).
  The left/right and the front/back imaging effect is what is known as a 'soundstage'. When people are referring to 'mixing' it is this process of placing an instrument left/right or front/back they are referring to.
  Mastering is the final touch up to the track, so that not one frequency range dominates or they increase the volume of the tracks during quiet periods (compressing) so that track stays loud all the time. (this is common in POP music to retain peoples attention eg. albums from POLICE).
  
  When something is recorded in 'mono' you cannot convert it to stereo easily. You can only fake it (filter the frequency range of an instrument and distribute it to the left and right).
  With stereo, you will feel that the space between the speakers is fully and occupied by various instruments. Usually vocals is in the centre.
  Priya though recorded with clarity has some silly effects with some sounds ping-ponging to the left and right alternately. This is a bad usage of stereo. The purpose of stereo is to only create a 'wide and deep' soundstage, so that it feels like you are listening to live music on stage.
  Also in one song in this movie you can hear the echo before the main vocals come in.
  
  BTW, I think NinaivellAm nithya is the best recorded album on IR. Second probably is thalapathy. And there are quite a few others which are not that popular but have very good recording.
  IR uses real instruments mostly (only later he started using synth stuff like in poonthottam/kathalukku mariyaathai etc). These instruments are placed far behind the vocals. You need a good CD player to resolve these sounds. You also need a full-range speaker to hear the low frequency of the drums. Then you will notice the bass guitar, guitar chords backing etc.
  
  Oriental records did not do a good job of converting many recordings to CD. I talked to them about remastering old recordings and they said they do not have the analog masters. There is no point is messing with the digital stereo track. We ourselves can rip the CD and add effects to it. If only we had the analog masters, they can be converted to CD with new technology much better than what Oriental puts out (yes, they have the rights to release many of IRs albums on CD).
  
  
  
  
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 68.51.215.28) on: Wed Aug 6 21:40:28 EDT 2003
  
  K(iru), do you happen to be in contact with rajaangahm guys or any other recording companies w.r.t to remastering rare soundtracks of IR from late 70s/80s? Its a pity that some of those albums are not available in CD even from companies like Oriental records. I could use inferior recording as compared to nothing especially for albums like kovil pura,Eara vizhi kaviyangal etc.If you happen to know where I could get such soundtracks, pl. let me know.Ii dont mind the hiss, can possibly remove it using Goldwave or something like that.
  
  
  On a side note their(Oriental records) collections stink. Like there will be a CD titled "lilting melodies of Raja" with the first song being Podhuvaaga en manasu thangam or something like that :-)
  
  
• From: k (@ 192.138.150.249) on: Wed Aug 6 22:09:10 EDT 2003
  
  vijay..Oriental Records faxed me a complete list of movies they have rights to, which is extensive. Getting the analog masters from the studios could be an ardous task. Between my family, work and other stuff, I could not devote time to these, including raajangahm. So lost touch with many of them.
  I just took care of my own back ( :)) by collecting LP records from various sources. These records though old/scratched are not really bad. Especially the earlier ones. You can buy these records from shops like Old is Gold in chennai. You also have to invest in a Record player/turntable. If the recording/LP is in good state, the sound is much better than CD. It sounds more realistic/live.
  BTW, I dont buy collections of IR songs (well ..I do but my priority is to collect the whole album). IR seems to adopt a particular technique/ style for the whole film.
  
  
  

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