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bollywood vs kollywood!!!

Topic started by shwetha (@ 219.65.96.58) on Wed Jan 1 23:26:33 EST 2003.
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I feel the Hindi audience, these days, is totally tasteless...seeing the kind of movies made in bollywood! They seem so unbelievably idiotic. And the music...even worse!!! Even lagaan and devdas, i feel were not as great as they claimed they were. Definitely not Oscar caliber :O When Lagaan was nominated for Oscar... we had pop-ups on MSN saying "Ask Spielerg to watch Lagaan"!!!! I mean idhellam konjam over-aa therialay??!! All the Hindi movies ever have is standard-aa one family bzness and a wedding and a holiday some place like NZ, Swiss et al. Tamil movies are far far better in content and music and everything. What do u say?

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• From: Ferrari (@ 202.56.254.13) on: Wed Feb 11 03:46:12 EST 2004
  
  I watch both tamil and hindi movies. I like both of them. It is absolutely ridiculous and pointless to compare both the movies. There was a hindi movie called "Haasil". I am not sure, how many people have seen that movie. It is a subtle love story, based on dada's life style in northern parts of India. It was a very very fine movie, though it was not a super duper hit. Recently I saw another good movie"Munnabhai M.B.B.S". Excellent movie. but I really doubt if these movies, will run if made in tamil.Hindi movies are targetted only at tamilians. Whereas Hindi movies are not targetted at any particualr community. You cant compare and say this is good and that is bad.
  Yes there have been off beat hindi movies like chameli, jhankar beats, chameli etc. But where does baghban come into ficture. It is a normal visu type of movie.
  But do you think our producers will support such a cause in tamil. Apart from some main cities in tamilnadu how many tamil watching public will enjoy the movie?
  Each has their own styles and have their own plus and minus. It is better not to compare.
  
  Enjoy the movie,acting,music whatever it is purely in merit. Dont bring regionalism into movies also.
  
  There are some exceptions like roja which is a national subject.
  
  One more interesting thing I observed after following TFM for over an year.
  
  Cant there be discussions on music without comparing? Why is it always people comparing with something or other. Like ARR vs IR, kolly vs bolly and in every thread compare one thing with one or other? Is this is what is called as healthy discussion?
  
  
• From: Ferrari (@ 202.56.254.13) on: Wed Feb 11 03:47:54 EST 2004
  
  Am sorry. please read as "Tamil Movies are targetted at tamilians" instead of "Hindi movies are targetted only at tamilians"
  
  
• From: ambu (@ 203.196.152.163) on: Wed Feb 11 04:02:57 EST 2004
  
  Guys out there watching only tamil movies and some flop hindi movies are the one who are complaining. Some of the dialogues and scenarios are better understood if you are from Northern Area. Even if you are a tamilian but brought up in the north , you will enjoy it. At the same time Kamal asking "ennay patthi ellam teriYummunno sonniye, enakku arikkithu ippo, enga arikkithunnu sollu pappaom", this will be considered joke by people in Tamilnadu. Some in chennai will say what is the big joke in this? this is vulgar..etc..But if you see the point, a movie which looks good or a song which a guy thinks is good may not be the same for some one else. In this aspect, the kollyVs bolly also hold true.
  
  
• From: rajasaranam (@ 210.214.128.92) on: Wed Feb 11 06:54:24 EST 2004
  
  when IR was composing music we could hear the tunes now its getting on the heads.
  Sadly even Yuvan has started this ARR style, I think we should avoid Tamil cinema for a while until IR comes with a full flow.
  Cinema is nothing but ART, ART should be cute but how will it be when the guys sing Saregamey and Dating song.
  
  
• From: dinesh (@ 210.186.42.127) on: Wed Feb 11 07:38:51 EST 2004
  
  rajasaranam ,vaithirichul!
  u cant take it Boys songs r more famouse then ur IR latest albums...i understand pa!
  
  
• From: MADDY (@ 203.94.216.27) on: Wed Feb 11 07:41:11 EST 2004
  
  i couldnt agree more to this topic........ ppl. here in mumbai are becoming idiotic.....they made the remake of ANAND a hit!!!!!and they even dunt know kal ho na ho is a remake.....they reject good movies like "TLOBS","haasil","chupke se"..................tamil movies are lot more sensible and fresh.......
  
  
• From: remo (@ 204.254.175.249) on: Wed Feb 11 07:43:35 EST 2004
  
  rajasaranam,
  Go ahead and avoid tamil cinema for a while until ur favourite IR comes with a full flow. Maybe u would end up never watching tamil cinema for the rest of the entire life and ur nuisance value in these threads would decrease..
  
  
• From: rajasaranam (@ 210.214.128.241) on: Wed Feb 11 08:34:27 EST 2004
  
  Look Remo and dinesh,
  We must avoid movies of ARR which has nothing but western music.
  We are tamilians and we should promote only tamil music.
  Besides Rahman uses lots of britney, madona, all the skimy female hits.
  he cleverly uses them so its hard to find, shouldn't we feel ashamed of this whole trend.
  ofcourse ARR started it, tell me honestly how good is Meenaxi?
  Are you guys listening to it yet?
  So we must as good citizens of Tamil film viewers must not encourage ARR.
  He will change himself to more hearable music automatically.
  Like IR, then we would have revived the tamil industry.
  Listen to Ilangathu Veesuthey mundakala.
  Appavavuthu IIR Isai ku oru IR than puriyum.
  IIR is a lion nobody can beat a lion, you Rahman maniacs.
  God save you from ARR.
  IR less publicity more hits.
  ARR more publicity less hits.
  
  
• From: rajasaranam (@ 210.214.128.241) on: Wed Feb 11 08:41:11 EST 2004
  
  IR works for satisfaction ARR works for money, in one word most of ARR songs have spoiled our culture.
  Even the song Akadanu and Telephone manipol spoil Indian?
  Arabic kadal oram is not at required in Bombay.
  Since Rahman is there the directors tend to ask such songs which spoils the content of Tamil films.
  Music should be a helping hand for films, it should never dominate the subject this is where IIR is the greatest.
  ARR has spoiled the next generation like Harris jeyaraj, YSR, Iman and many more.
  Even YSR is forced to follow ARR's style just for survival.
  Is this a healthy trend?
  Touch your heart and say.
  
  
• From: Ferrari (@ 202.56.254.13) on: Wed Feb 11 23:27:15 EST 2004
  
  See. The thread was for Bollywood vs Kollywood, and people here fighting abt ARR and IR. I think both ARR and IR have so much of work and are enjoying their life. Even they wont be thinking this much about each other. If you are a true fan of whomsoever music director, take a cue from them. They are not telling you, please dont listen to other music directors.
  If you like someones music enjoy and live life happily. Just because you like some one does not mean that everyone should like it. And vice versa.
  Stop propogating false ideas and fighting like a small kid.
  No one is going to become great or degraded, just because some fanatics keep screaming he is great or someone else is down.
  Che. Enna manushangalo. Eppo paathalum sandai and comparisons.
  Not surprising why so many political parties in tamilnadu.
  What a rich culture we have? how many great human beings have been tamilians? How many good qualities our culture has advised us?
  I remember the dialogue in some movie. "Tamizhanukku edhiri tamizhan dhan". Arent there better things to do in life than fighting about something or other?
  Right from music director to religion???
  Pongaya....
  
  
• From: mir (@ 220.247.220.3) on: Thu Feb 12 01:56:10 EST 2004
  
  mr rajasaranam
  i completely agree with you where you say we should protect and promote our own music, culture etc. But the problem is when ARR comes out with albums like tajmahal, kilakku cheemaile, pudhiya mugam, indira and recent KKS, you still disgustingly criticise those. These may be craps in terms of your music taste, but atleast you should be indiffrent rather than bash ARR unncessarily for such albums. If you criticise albums like boys, E20U18 it is reasonable. Dont you think that we should encourage not only ARR but also other new md's to come up with what you mentioned. But only taking ARR seperately and ripping him off is very bad. If we dont like this trend then we should not apply double standard and bash ARR while enjoying HJ and YSR doing the same thing. Just suppose (i repeat just suppose) if ARR really comes out with an album with all the qualities you described, would you back him for that album or would you still undermine his work because of your loyalty towards IR.
  
  Lets shed our hypocracy, jealousy, hatred, double standards aside and join in hands to encourage ARR,HJ,YSR.
  
  
• From: Ferrari (@ 202.56.254.13) on: Thu Feb 12 01:59:08 EST 2004
  
  I will tell you what will happen. A new thread will be started in TFM with this "ARR failed and is trying to survive, by copying IR's technique". And again the same bashing will continue there. It doesnt matter what thread it is, as long as it is meant for fighting :-))
  
  
• From: rajasaranam (@ 210.214.3.62) on: Thu Feb 12 02:30:09 EST 2004
  
  mir,
  
  i hav time and again stated this fact that i dont hate ARR totally. he does good work at times, but its only the mean average of the musical content he has given us, iam talking abt. when we think of ARR immtly we get an image that he promotes western music but its not the same with IR, he wants to promote tamil music always. so if ARR comes out with all the qualities i describe, i will back him for that album like iam backing VIdyasaagar for his latest 'Thendral'.
  
  
• From: paran (@ 202.172.56.56) on: Thu Feb 12 02:32:24 EST 2004
  
  rajasaranam...
  how westernised is Anthimantarai, Kandukondain2, Sangamam...to name a few?...
  
  
• From: jacky (@ 61.2.224.184) on: Thu Feb 12 02:51:49 EST 2004
  
  > but its only the mean average of the musical content he has given us
  
  Since IR has done 800 films the average for the same is going to very less but ARR definetly adds western touches to his albums is no denying fact but he also gives nice carnatic and hindustani numbers in tamil.
  He needs to cater to the demands of the market, and i guess he is doing the balancing job perfectly these days so that you dont get a Mr.Romeo very soon after Kadalan.
  if you can get the transition of time and tastes, there isn't anything to complain.
  Just ask the people in their 20's about their fav IR number and they will say an audience friendly number than the one with a intricate classical touch, you know what it means.
  
  
• From: mir (@ 220.247.220.3) on: Thu Feb 12 05:37:09 EST 2004
  
  Rajasaranam
  Do u have any suggession as to how to promote such good quality music? You may suggest to listen to IR but mind you we cant force people to love IR music. the thing is that ARR does have the creativity to compose carnatic and folk numbers but adds western touch to give his own identity. There are many who love to here such compositions from him rather than pure carnatic and folk based music. Well do you think that this western touch should be totally excluded or should be added with a limited degree? Excluding totally is not pracrtical since it affects those who love such mixed compositions.
  
  

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