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IR with MR again?!

Topic started by Vijay Venkatram J (@ 202.54.33.170) on Fri Jul 6 05:24:48 EDT 2001.
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Dear Friends,

Yesterday's Maalai Malar Cinema Malar (July 5, 2001) says that MR and IR are joining again as if it is a confirmed news and that the hero will be Surya. The same news was put up in www.tamilcinema.com too. What do you all think about the reality of this news?

Hope this becomes true!

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• From: Bharath (@ oneway.convex.com) on: Thu Jul 12 10:19:01 EDT 2001
  
  gavaskar, viswanath srikanth and vengsakar r not playing anymore. IR is still playing, and according to u, in the current world of more population and exposure. so now do u care to explain why he is not selling as much.
  
  
  //"but do we get the classic play of the earlier guys, do we get the quality of those strokes, Do we get the fun of watching those matches when we watch todays matches"//
  
  from a guy who has seen both eras. I say yes! to all. and I also say that u cling on to the past bcoz those were the best days of ur life. when u were in college. "ithu oru pon malai pozhuthu" was the song u wud sung in culturals and thats the song u might have ben playing when chatting with frnds. Thats why u have so much fond memories of the IR era. same with cricket that should have been ur early days of exposure to cricket and so it was more exiting. I cudnt imagine an indian team without Kapil and I am here 7 years after kapil still watching cricket!
  
  
  I will boldly say u r ignoring CD/cassatte sales bcoz IR is now not good in it. U will be trumpteing the same thing if IR is good in it.
  i remember some one trumpeting abt "barathi" sales. yes ! I agree it was good and thats why it sold better.
  
  the quality and whatever impalpables that u attribute to IR music, I say is judged by peoples taste which is a reflection of # of sales that happened. If barathi sold more and album x didnt sell well bcoz barathi is better. I think we can extend this to a universal field. (plz check rediff for deva, sar sales figures b4 u use that angle of argument)
  
  If u have a better way of juding pls let me know. till then we can only speak hypothetically.
  
  
• From: NCR (@ 206.30.30.2) on: Thu Jul 12 11:20:53 EDT 2001
  
  There is no Sachin in my list right. The fun had watching Srikanth entertaining the game. Thats what about it.
  
  Our cricket team is the best on paper. Most of the guys have great records, but still the team is loosing. We didnt not win a single test series outside the country past 15 years. We didnt win as many cups as we had won earlier.
  
  Same thing with MR-ARR team. Both are great individually but the films are failing. thats what I am pointing. We cant bring the cricket team back to win the matches, but may be MR is thinking bringing back IR can change his success rate because IR is still playing. The success rate of MR when with IR was more than MR-ARR.
  
  
• From: sats (@ fwc1.hbocvan.com) on: Thu Jul 12 11:31:39 EDT 2001
  
  almost all the songs in a MR-IR combo were hits but thats not the case in MR-ARR
  I think it explains all
  
  
• From: krishna (@ mailserver01.sb.com) on: Thu Jul 12 11:41:30 EDT 2001
  
  There have been tons of text books and research papers written on "consumer behavior".
  
  Consumer behavior is determined and influenced by a host of factors that include awareness, demographics, psychographics, lifestyle factors, beliefs, aspirations, associations, the hierarchy of motivational needs people are in etc. And there are different consumer segments with differences in the above factors which determine product selection.
  
  I am just stating that I will not be influenced by the cassette sales that are determined by the populace that selects the likes of Jayalalitha, MGR and Laloo to my evaluation of the quality on MDs...while others may feel fine being influenced by the cassette sales being the indicator.
  
  I am just stating that by my independent thinking I think IR is unparalleled and I do not see ARR as what he is potrayed to be...It is just my opinion.. (And for the record, I am one IR fan who does not want IR to work with MR again...)
  
  
• From: Trend (@ dev.hrchally.com) on: Thu Jul 12 11:57:18 EDT 2001
  
  krishna,
  "populace that selects the likes of Jayalalitha, MGR and Laloo"
  
  It's just one side of the coin.If you see the other side,the populace has done some wonderful things.One for instance is hailing Mother Teresa as the best human being.
  I can't see myself thinking good of myself saying my fellow people are retards(which is not the truth IMO) just b'cos they elect Jayalalitha or Laloo.
  If I follow your train of thought,it is consistent why you do not see ARR as he is portrayed to be.You can have your own opinions but not at the expense of populace.
  
  
• From: NCR (@ 206.30.30.2) on: Thu Jul 12 12:06:40 EDT 2001
  
  I stick to my point that casette sales is not the bench mark for everything. Baba Sehgal a rap/pop singer his casettes, CD's were at a time having record sales. But how can we rate him as best singer based on that? We cant see him any more now right.
  
  I remember Kadri Gopalnath before doing duet, his casettes, were not selling that much. I went to a concert in Ananth Padmanadha Koil in Adayar, Chennai. There were not even 100 people watching him. But after duet, his casettes sale went up. Does that mean that he was not good earlier and suddenly became better after working with ARR for duet? Thats what I try to say People became aware of Kadri Gopalnath because of the media. Talent is the same.
  
  Also same for UnniKrishnan. How many know him as a good carnatic singer before he sang Ennavale? How many know saw him singing in Mylapore Fine arts etc? I heard him many times before that film. Same case very few people. Only after that film, his casettes/CD's of carnatic films people started buying.
  
  IR is not selling thats a different topic or thread. I am not interested in that. I am satisfied with what he has given for 25 years. I can live for 50 more years with that.If he gives more I will take it. I will listen to what current lot is giving and not hate them by comparing with IR or somebody.
  
  I am a music lover I love the best always.
  
  But for a business man like MR, he definetely wants to review why he is failing with his movies. If he needs to be in the field as a successful man he has to be successfull. Thats why this rethinking may be.
  
  
• From: Bharath (@ oneway.convex.com) on: Thu Jul 12 12:07:12 EDT 2001
  
  //"The success rate of MR when with IR was more than MR-ARR. "//
  
  what r talking abt dude! audio success or movie sucess. I think audio sucess (which again I go by sales and so wud MR) is wholely in favor of ARR. as to the movie success I sincerely think its MR's domain and IR wud have the same influence as ARR in determining that.
  
  
  //"Our cricket team is the best on paper. Most of the guys have great records, but still the team is loosing. We didnt not win a single test series outside the country past 15 years. We didnt win as many cups as we had won earlier"//
  
  thanx for re-inforcing this analogy FOR my point, which is u can say IR's music oozes with quality etc (akin to bloated averages of our battin super heroes) but still he is not in the fav. list of super directors and nor does he sell like hot cakes always (akin to actually winnning some test series).
  
  ARR rehman is alleged to have no creativity quality (akin to again our batting super heroes) much like south africa but he plays few and sells them well . ( akin to SA playing few tests and winning more %)
  
  any day I am for a hardworker with more results than a perceivedly intelligent guy tagged as an underperformer for various vague resons.
  
  sat:
  
  //"almost all the songs in a MR-IR combo were hits but thats not the case in MR-ARR
  I think it explains all "//
  
  explains all, u did not even expalin what u meant by a hit!
  
  
• From: Bharath (@ oneway.convex.com) on: Thu Jul 12 12:08:42 EDT 2001
  
  //"The success rate of MR when with IR was more than MR-ARR. "//
  
  what r talking abt dude! audio success or movie sucess. I think audio sucess (which again I go by sales and so wud MR) is wholely in favor of ARR. as to the movie success I sincerely think its MR's domain and IR wud have the same influence as ARR in determining that.
  
  
  //"Our cricket team is the best on paper. Most of the guys have great records, but still the team is loosing. We didnt not win a single test series outside the country past 15 years. We didnt win as many cups as we had won earlier"//
  
  thanx for re-inforcing this analogy FOR my point, which is u can say IR's music oozes with quality etc (akin to bloated averages of our battin super heroes) but still he is not in the fav. list of super directors and nor does he sell like hot cakes always (akin to actually winnning some test series).
  
  ARR rehman is alleged to have no creativity quality (akin to again our batting super heroes) much like south africa but he plays few and sells them well . ( akin to SA playing few tests and winning more %)
  
  any day I am for a hardworker with more results than a perceivedly intelligent guy tagged as an underperformer for various vague resons.
  
  sat:
  
  //"almost all the songs in a MR-IR combo were hits but thats not the case in MR-ARR
  I think it explains all "//
  
  explains all, u did not even expalin what u meant by a hit!
  
  
• From: Trend (@ dev.hrchally.com) on: Thu Jul 12 12:29:46 EDT 2001
  
  NCR,
  
  "I am a music lover I love the best always"
  
  The best according to you or considered best by most people or considered best by few "intellectuals" who disapprove(usually) of others' taste?
  
  
• From: krishna (@ mailserver01.sb.com) on: Thu Jul 12 12:47:51 EDT 2001
  
  Trend:
  
  My point is I don't give credence to the cassette sales being important to my evaluation and opinion of quality. All cassette sales indicate is how many consumers bought it. To me, relating to music is something very individualistic and hence who else bought the same album or how many others bought the same album do not really matter. Neither I'll buy an album because the albums by a MD sells the most. These are irrelevant in my evaluation of music. The analogy with the population's preference for Jayalalitha and the likes are in that context...Just because the populace chose Jayalalitha, I cannot change my mind about my evaluation of her..
  
  As I stated earlier, I am not trying to convince anyone who does not want to listen to IR's music. It is irrelevant to me.
  
  But I think, the problem is people who feel they do not like IR or ARR try to convince each other to switch their preferences or criticize other's preferences realizing there are different customer segments with different likes and preferences.
  
  
• From: Bharath (@ oneway.convex.com) on: Thu Jul 12 13:09:58 EDT 2001
  
  //"And for the record, I am one IR fan who does not want IR to work with MR again...)"//
  
  I still am not sure what my priorities r. I was listening to IR eaxtly uptil the point he was working with MR. after which other than kamal/rajini movies I have enjoyed kadhalukku mariyadi, bharathi, devathai and another nasser movie.
  
  Same with ARR i give it a try a couple of times in the wbe and buy em if its goo. But if its MR/shankar albums I wud buy em without prior sampling.
  
  So I dont think Krishna ur wish on the above statement will be satisfied. maybe not now but in sometime MR-IR combo will ineveitably occur (with a prelims in a madras talkie prod.)
  
  To me the only result wud be . I wud buy that MR- IR album in a hope that the probability of it being good wud be close to .98.
  
  I wud seriously then say that IR sales wud then improve and ARR wud be doing a tight rope walk from then on.
  
  
  

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