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Raga of song please

Topic started by Gopal Prasad (@ greed.cs.umass.edu) on Sat May 17 07:42:45 EDT 1997.
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Note: You may want to refer to the list of raga based film songs before posting a query.

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• From: anon (@ 4037ad.sscl.uwo.ca) on: Fri Mar 27 14:01:02 EST 1998
  
  Hi Mux,
  Both Sriranjani and Bageshree have the same scale. Bageshri occasionally uses pa, as for instance in the phrase: ma pha dha ga ri sa...
  Loosely speaking they are equivalent...
  
  
  
• From: Mux (@ internet-gw1.hea.com) on: Fri Mar 27 14:59:13 EST 1998
  
  Hi Anon,
  
  But doesnt that pa produce a world of difference ?
  (Considering Kalaiye en vazkai and nadhamenum kovilile). I did not get any feel of Sriranjani when analysing this song (I did not analyse to the extent of swaras, though).
  
  
  Mux
  
  
• From: anon (@ 4037ad.sscl.uwo.ca) on: Fri Mar 27 15:43:13 EST 1998
  
  Hi Mux,
  
  You are right. The song does have a bageshri feel to it, especially in the antara.
  
  
  
  
• From: anon (@ 4037ad.sscl.uwo.ca) on: Fri Mar 27 15:58:56 EST 1998
  
  Hi Mux,
  
  I forgot to add that the scale of the song is kind of "low" for me and I always think in terms of karnataka khamas.
  
  Speaking of that, in the song anbe va from that movie, the initial humming led to me to believe that it was going to be charukesi, but it turns out to be gowrimanohari (obtained by tonic shift if you choose ma of charukesi as sa). Another song that would be low for me in the gowrimanohari scale.
  
  
• From: saketh (@ chem-pc-44.rutgers.edu) on: Sat Mar 28 15:00:18 EST 1998
  
  can anyone tell me the raga of the song "vaigai karaiyinil oru paravai, adhu vaanathil thedudhu thun uravai" from the film Natchathiram?
  
  
  
• From: Bhaskar (@ 152.163.195.106) on: Sat Mar 28 20:55:41 EST 1998
  
  Friends,
  
  I was totally immersed in the JEANS Thread :-))
  
  I was totally unaware of what is happening in
  other threads.
  
  Could someone please tell me on which raagam is
  the song anbE anbE nee yaen pillai based
  from UyirOdu UyirAga is ? Thanks.
  
  
• From: Mux (@ 205.227.34.98) on: Sun Mar 29 21:51:36 EST 1998
  
  Hi,
  
  Anon: Good point regarding the tonic shift equivalents and thereby the "view points" that arise out of that. This happens to me so many time in songs with light raga structure emphasis. In fact, I was able to visualize en veetu in both Hindolam and Mohanam - they are tonic shift equivalent ragas.
  
  Mux
  
  
  
• From: Geetha (@ gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk) on: Mon Mar 30 04:33:46 EST 1998
  
  Bhaskar: Anbe Anbe Nee En Pillai is in Keeravani - it has some hints of Kafi in it....
  
  Guys, what about my other Ragam confirmations? Please help me out here.....Thanks
  
  
• From: pal (@ 128.101.145.87) on: Mon Mar 30 20:10:44 EST 1998
  
  Hi geetha,
  
  I have checked out the song 'malargaLE..' song... As far as I could see, ie in the song part - not the instrumental parts , It only has the notes of kalyani + sudha madyamam. But the prayOgams has, like many other classical attempt of ARR, wavering aspect. The song in an effort to make it very harmonious, has been made to have lotsa jumps which are not charecteristic to any or the combination of kalyani, hameer kalayani, yaman, saranga.
  
  I hope that answers your question.
  
  
• From: pal (@ 128.101.145.87) on: Mon Mar 30 20:14:05 EST 1998
  
  Rajaram,
  kannodu kanbathellaam paattu keattean...
  
  kalakki pttrukkaa nithyashree...
  
  THis is one of the better attempts of ARR... ( in a classical sense ) ...but even in this there are shades of hindolam, which comes by omitting dha inthe avarohanam...
  
  did you notice?
  
  
• From: Anand (@ peso.ntu.ac.sg) on: Mon Mar 30 21:55:41 EST 1998
  
  About Kannodu Kaanbathellam in JEANS sung by Nityashree,......the starting is a mix of Suddhadhanyasi/Abheri, with the S G2 M1 P N2 S of suddha dhanyaasi and the S N2 D2 P M1 G2 R2 S (avarohanam) of Abheri....
  Though the aarohanam of Abheri and sudhdhadhanyaasi are the same, the swaraas are sung in a way such as there are two differenty raagaas.
  
  
• From: Anand (@ peso.ntu.ac.sg) on: Mon Mar 30 22:37:38 EST 1998
  
  Geetha you had asked about your other raaga confirmations....
  I had mentioned that Vidukadhayaa (hariharan) was in the raaga :Ahir Bhairavi,....but you said it was in Chakravaaham....but it turns out that, the Hindustaani raaga Ahir Bhairavi is = Carnaatic raaga Chakravaaham
  
  
• From: Geetha (@ gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk) on: Wed Apr 1 04:40:04 EST 1998
  
  Anand - Sorry about the confusion. I realised about the Aahir Bhairavhi when I re-read a printout of the thread, I realised that it was Aahir B not Ananda B you had put..... Yes they are one and the same. Sorry about that.....
  
  
• From: Bhaskar (@ ww-ti05.proxy.aol.com) on: Wed Apr 1 12:30:34 EST 1998
  
  Geetha:
  
  Thanks for the Ragam for the Song in UU.
  
  Anand:
  
  I heard that the song KannOdu Kaanbadhellam
  Thalaivaa un kangalukku sondhamillai in JEANS
  does not have any kind of variations from the
  Raagam Abheri and is totally Purely based on
  that Raagam, now you are saying there is a mix of
  two Raagam's. Is it true ?
  
  Also is there any change or deviation from the
  Original Raagam or is it exactly the same ?
  
  Anand & Geetha:
  
  Did you hear to the songs in Arasiyal music by
  Vidyasaagar.
  
  Vaa sakhi, vaa sakhi, Valluvan Vaasuki
  by Harish and Umaramanan. Which Raagam is this
  song based on ? I know it is based on a classical
  Raagam.
  
  Another Song is:
  Vaaray en thozhiyae, kulam vazhavae,
  Nadai pOttuvaa, pOrkkovil deepamae,
  Panchasheelanae, vilakketra vaaa...
  Mella Mella nadakkayil, panchu viral
  valikkumO, kannum kannum kalakkaiyil
  Suyamvaram nadakkumO....
  
  Sung by a Hindusthani Singer Shoba Mutkal,
  and SPB Charan, Harini, Sujatha & Swarnalatha.
  
  The pallavi is based on an Hindustani Raagam
  I guess, what about the interludes ? Is it again
  Hindusthani or Carnatic ?
  
  
  
• From: Anand (@ peso.ntu.ac.sg) on: Wed Apr 1 21:16:39 EST 1998
  
  Gethaa:
  About Kanoodu Kanbathellam, in JEANS,the song itself is fully in the raagam Sudhdhadhanyaaasi for MOST part,right from the starting swarams,but in certain parts the N2 and R2 are used,along with Sudhdhadhanyaasi making it sound like Abheri.But, on the whole it sounds very much Sudhdhadhanyaasi.
  
  Bhasker:
  Vaasaki I think is based on Ragam Abhogi..I have heard the song only once...so I'm not sure..
  
  
• From: anon (@ ts3-22.slip.uwo.ca) on: Wed Apr 1 22:33:25 EST 1998
  
  There was a question about the ragam neelamani recently. The book "Raga Pravaham"lists this as a janya ragam of sarasangi that deletes ga in both the arohanam and avarohanam (ga varjya ragam). I don't know any film song in this ragam. IR has used its prathi madhyamam counterpart, Daathri, in Thai Mookambikai.
  
  Somewhat tangentially, there is a ma varjya derivative called Tharalam that IR used in the song "thokai ila maiyil" from payanangal mudivadhillai.
  
  
• From: Geetha (@ gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk) on: Thu Apr 2 05:38:42 EST 1998
  
  Anand and Bhaskar: Vaa Sagi from Arasiyal is in SRI RANJANI - Please read the 10 songs from before postings that I wanted confirmations about, I've given detail about it and also for Vaaraien Tholiye (probab;y in DHANI - Hindustani Suddha Dhanyasi/Uthayaravichandrika).....
  
  Pal: Thanks for the Malargale analysis, but is the Ragam Pooriya Dhanasri in anyway related to the song, as I mentioned before and Ganesh-Kumerash said?
  
  Bhaskar: Veesum Thendral from Mona Lisa is in Karaharapriya.....
  
  Anand : KANNODU:
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  I too thought this was in Suddha Dhanyasi at first hearing, but the misleading part is the non presence of the Dha and Ri in the first few swaras.....They are added as the song continues. As you know, ABHERI has the full Karaharapriya Scale coming down while Suddha Dhanyasi ommits two notes - Dha and Ri and is in itself a pentatonic scale. The Hindolam touches, as mentioned by Pal are because there is a tonal shift difference b/w Hindolam and Sud Dhan.....this is why there is confusion in the song MARGALI POOVE from MAY MADHAM......I feel it's in Suddha Dhan, but people have argued that it is in Hindolam.....
  
  KANNODU in Jeans has only Suddha Dhanyasi Notes at the Starting Swaras :
  PPm pnpm pnpm gmP sgsn pnpm gmgs gm.....Thakida Thakida Thakka Jham......
  
  BUT then carries on in pure ABHERI......
  
  The end 'KATPANA' style swaras are in ABHERI......
  
  mm gg mm ss gg ss gg nn s gg s mm s gg s pp s gg s nn s gg s S n d p m G gmpns G r S Sn d P mg rs gm KANNODU
  
  pp nn S s gg mm pp nn S s nsgmpndpm Gm pnsgrs ns mgrsnd KANNODU
  
  R R sns rr ss rr nn S S G rsnsgrsndp P P ndpmgrs nsG sgm gmp ndp mpN ppnsgrs grsnS ndpmgm KANNODU
  
  Please forgive me for any swara errors, I did this off the top of my head, but all the swaras follow ABHERI and not Suddha Dhanyasi.....
  
  Govindan(Anon): The song Nallamthaana from Thillana Mohanaamabal I still believe is in Neelamani.....I can't hear the prathi madhyamam doesn't seem to appear in it and it's quite well known to be in Neelamani, as opposed to Misra Sivaranjani.....
  
  
• From: Geetha (@ gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk) on: Thu Apr 2 05:44:29 EST 1998
  
  Sorry - That was Ni and Ri......that appear in Kannodu....The Ni and Ri are very prominent in the swaras, as I have notated.....
  
  

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