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What's wrong with ARR haters?

Topic started by WhyNot (@ 203.24.100.131) on Sun Nov 25 09:01:01 EST 2001.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

I think all ARR fans who have particiapted or simply observed newtfmpage forums will agree that there is something vicious in the way his haters attack him. They start threads like "ARR is becoming unpopular" or "arr is mad", a thread that was fortunately deleted. And they also make really stupid postings against him. Some of these haters carry the "IR fan" logo, but let's keep in mind during this discussion that not all of these ARR haters are IR fans.

The thing is, if someone simply dislikes ARR's songs, u'd just leave it aside and not worry about it. I mean, if ARR fans find that Bharadwaj's songs are nice u'd listen to them. If you found Bharadwaj's songs unappealing, u'd leave them aside instead of starting threads and making postings on how Bharadwaj sucks, how he is mad, he's becoming unpopular, how his songs are falling behind in the top ten listings, share links on poor reviews on his work, etc.

But ARR haters do this and more. If they simply state "I don't like PP songs" and provide their reasons why, that's ok and I wouldn't classify them as ARR haters. But when they make comments like "RAHMAN IS A DISGRACE TO INDIAN MUSIC COS HE COPIES FROM ARABIC MUSIC
AND HE SUPPORTS THE TERRORISTS OF PAKISTAN FROM HIS EARNINGS
SO HES A BAD MUSIC DIRECTOR AND A BAD MAN" by DINESH (@ 213.121.248.90) from the thread, "Brand New Topic - ARR Vs IR!!", you know there's something more than just a dislike of ARR's music.

So let me outline the purpose of this thread:
1) To discuss what lies in the root of such hatred.
2) To share some of the worst postings made by ARR haters in this forum, attacking ARR and his fans personally. (like the one above)
3) To discuss the different ways in which ARR haters attack him.

and finally, as a bonus to this topic, we'll most likely find several ARR haters visiting this thread to make more aggravating comments not only about ARR, but also about ARR fans, me for starting this thread, and the singers who sing in ARR songs. Let's talk about it too.

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• From: WhyNot (@ 203.24.100.132) on: Wed Nov 28 11:13:50 EST 2001
  
  Fliflo, maybe u misunderstood me. I was summarising wat everyone said. U did make the first statement. So the only way I could relate tat to the topic was if u meant tat as a reason for people attacking him personally. Then again, u also did say tat it's not personal attacks, but abt his music. So maybe tat's not wat u meant at all and I might have misunderstood u.
  
  Just to add, ur statement tat IR is more popular among the masses is a personal opinion. It's not a fact and u don't really have any figures to back up ur statement.
  
  
• From: WhyNot (@ 203.24.100.132) on: Wed Nov 28 11:16:05 EST 2001
  
  >>there are only few, stranded, personal, abhorrent statments against ARR, which can as well be neglected.. <<
  
  And i didn't see a few, but many many statements against ARR. I'm sure it'll be ezy for u to neglect these statements, not being very fond of ARR urself.
  
  
• From: Trend (@ 216.68.113.230) on: Wed Nov 28 11:53:10 EST 2001
  
  Fliflo,
  
  "IR is more popular among the masses than ARR."
  
  Let the statement be true.Though I like ARR better(for whatever dumb reason),my intention is to get the best music from both.
  
  What I would like to know is: are IR fans really showing their admiration by buying his CDs/cassettes(not recording it in combination)?Somehow I see more ARR fans doing this by showing their appreciation for their fav MD.If IR fans do this then his Cds would be widely available.I'm finding it difficult to get a hold of some of IR's CDs.(I'm living in a area where popularity of Tamil Community and culture is comparitively less).
  
  My question is:
  How are IR fans showing their admiration?If you are going to answer this with a spiritual twist then I'm totally wrong.
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.218) on: Wed Nov 28 12:01:29 EST 2001
  
  Well, I can not restrain myself from entering the 'Javvu, not tasty' arguements as it keeps pulling. The statement "IR is more popular among the masses" is of course my statement but just not personal, as I arrived this conclusion with many supportive evidences (I have mentioned this there, which probably for some reason you seemed to have over looked it). If you see one of pervious posting, where I mentioned about this only with certain limitations. Just say OK to post evidences in this thread, I go ahead and give to support my statement(s).
  
  
• From: Common Friend (@ 203.197.141.187) on: Wed Nov 28 12:47:29 EST 2001
  
  Flifo:
  Comm on . U beleive that kumudam poll. Poll in the net do not convey the real picture. You mean to say that the no. 1 song in newtfmpage listing is the most popular in the streets of chennai or chengalpattu for that matter. Don't sit in your USA office and try to predict what's happening here, come down to the tea shop at the end of lane in my place.
  
  I do agree, that IR had left a lasting impression of majority of people's mind. It still lives and those people are still alive. Majority wise, IR rules, but that IR who made that happen is dead long ago in 1990. The IR now, is not upto the mark of IR in the 80's and late 80's. New generation, just know him as I know G.R.Vishwanath.
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 130.203.161.241) on: Wed Nov 28 13:28:20 EST 2001
  
  Common Friend:
  
  I believe Kumudam Poll. Coz..I feel they have published whatever people have typed...It just di not end up in giving some numbers. People have freely expressed their own personal opinions about both the MDs..So you ought to believe that.
  We are well aware of the situation in TN and sorroundings..When Chennai was mildly shaking, I called my relatives at CBE within seconds and informed about that, what they were not aware of...
  
  You say what is happening in Chennai and Chengalpattu...but at the same time in one thread you line up with ARR's side just coz there are only few ARR likers in TFM page...your own statement gives the proof..Any how, thanks for agreeing atleast in one shot..
  
  
• From: suresh (@ 202.88.155.34) on: Wed Nov 28 15:06:38 EST 2001
  
  Trend
  
  IR's fans unfortunately populate the dusty bowls of T.Nadu where 'maanguyile' is still more popular than 'paachai paachaiyai'; too bad they don't count in any urban (and NRI?) scheme of things.
  You want to calculate popularity by no. of CD's sold? C'mon, do you even understand the state of life, leave alone the music market, in Tamil Nadu? How many % do you think own cassette recorders, forget CD or MP3 players? What we're talking of is songs played out in 'patti thottis' by the loud speakers, in the radio stations across the state, and those crusty tapes that're being recorded still for 15/C60 and 20/C90.
  
  Unfortunately, this will not translate always into absolute nos. of cassettes/CDs sold because of the simple fact that a good no. of IR fans (and also MSV fans)cannot afford to pay the fancy prices that these albums quote. Why rural TN, get into a Chennai (not the land CF populates, he seems
  to live in some planet of his own making) 'recording centre' and find out what the orders for recorded cassettes say. Chances are
  you'll find more orders for "alaigal oyvathillai' than 'star'.
  
  Well, you see, the common folk in TN don't have to feel embarrassed by a folk (or native) song playing out of their homes, unlike 'westernised' Indians whose drawing rooms will cringe in shame at the mere humming of a 'pothuvaaga en manasu thangam'.
  
  CF,
  I live in the same Chennai you quote at the drop of a hat, and I can assume that I burn up more miles travelling thru TN than your Chengalpattu-Chennai sojourn. Is Star or Thenali more played out in your tea shop than 'male, male, maruthamale'? Given this evidence, who do you think has a perfect understanding of the pulse of the masses (I mean the real junta) - Deva or ARR?
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.218) on: Wed Nov 28 15:11:26 EST 2001
  
  Trend;
  
  You have put forward an intelligent and a very delicate question to answer. Here are a few of my thoughts! Is CD sales a measure of popularity and vice versa? Is the quality of music can be judged by the high rise in audio sales? Hard to say. CD sales can reflect various issues. I see only limited number of people buying music cd's for the welfare of musicians. On the first place, many buy just for themselves. Definitely, today's music is digitally much, much superior and with some rythm they make you to vibrate with the beat. So even sombody who does not understand the language opted to go for these CDs. As I told before, it just makes a full stop there. However, the display of knowledge by creating hundreds of new tunes and playing with people's sentiments were completely missing in this kind of music. I have a collection of about 50 CDs of IR songs, the insight in them is just uncomparable. These songs have everything; lucid tunes, well-versed display of knowledge demonstrated through various instruments, apt usage of them to what we see in the screen, all were done in a flashing speed. Unlike Roja/Gentleman/kadhalan songs, which made a big hype before they were forgotten, IR's mid songs (some later born listeners would not have heard atleast half of them) live in people's mind just because of ample musical wisdom in it.. Even in recent times, some of IR's recent CDs made remarkable sales for how much has it been advertised for (I put KM, Friends, Bharathi..in this list)..But if this is the determining factor of popularity as per today's tamilcinema CD sales list that goes this way (which again based on some vague calculations)1.Aalavandhaan 2. Majnu 3.PP 4.Choclate 5. ATVaanam. Trend do you agree according to this, HJ is popular than ARR....I am sure you won't...
  
  
• From: Trend (@ 216.68.113.230) on: Wed Nov 28 15:58:40 EST 2001
  
  Suresh,
  
  What you are saying may drag this into a whole new topic.
  
  "You want to calculate popularity by no. of CD's sold?"
  
  I already made it clear that I can't argue intensely that ARR is more popular b'cos I don't have any facts.Since you are more sure that IR is popular I will agree with you for now.I'll be a die-hard ARR fan no matter what b'cos his music speaks more to me.:)
  
  Fliflo,
  
  I'm not saying CD sales is a reflection of popularity.What I'm saying is more IR fans should come forward to buy his CDs so that atleast the next movie of IR will be released in CDs if not sell more.
  
  This will encourage rich producers who are able to rope in big directors to go for IR's music.
  One should buy original CD's or cassettes to bring this shift in popularity rather than recording assorted songs(I wish they made this illegal in India) or downloading free MP3s.
  
  Are you trying there is a drastic difference in the economic condition of ARR fans and IR fans?Even during my College days among my friends all ARR fans go for new Cassette(Company cassette) while IR fans wait for good combination or want to record few songs selectively.I used to buy company cassettes of IR's too(I was blowing away my parents' money rapidly is a different thing).
  
  So my question is:Are you saying that all/most IR fans who can afford are really buying IR's CDs/cassettes?
  
  Regarding what you are saying about insight, longevity,musical wisdomI would contend that for me ARR's songs are better in these categories.I can listen to any ARR album even today.I think that's the principal reason why you and me are different here.Hope you understand that two persons can have this difference of opinion.
  
  All IMO and sorry for this long bore.
  
  
• From: Trend (@ 216.68.113.230) on: Wed Nov 28 16:03:53 EST 2001
  
  Suresh,
  
  "Well, you see, the common folk in TN don't have to feel embarrassed by a folk (or native) song playing out of their homes, unlike 'westernised' Indians whose drawing rooms will cringe in shame at the mere humming of a 'pothuvaaga en manasu thangam'. "
  
  I feel this may not be true.I haven't seen that kind of attitude with people.Maybe sometimes people have fun expressing opinions like that.They do it for fun and not seriously, in my experience.I think most people are quite broad-minded atleast when it comes to Tamil music.
  
  
  

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