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Kannadhaasan Vs. Vairamuththu TFM Symposium Topic 9: Kadhaikku Porundhiya Paadalgal (situational songs)

Topic started by Udhaya (@ 205.218.142.217) on Wed Sep 9 14:25:22 EDT 1998.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

For a good understanding of how to approach this ongoing symposium, please refer to the thread, "Kannadhaasan Vs. Vairamuthu TFM Symposium Topic 1:Iyarkai Varnanai" before you post. Let me reiterate that this is not a patti mandram, but a research symposium.
Please show TFM examples of both poets with regards to just their Kadhaikku Porundhiya Paadalgal(situational songs) for this thread.
Please provide the name of the song whose lines you excerpt and the name of the movie if known. Here are the symposium categories, the bold topics are yet to be discussed:
1)Iyarkai Varnanai
2)Kaadhal Paadalgal
3)Thaththuva Paadalgal
4)Vaarthai Prayoagam
5)Nagaichchuvai Paadalgal
6)Samudhaaya Seerthirutha / Puratchi Paadalgal
7)Vingyaana/Naveena Karuthoottum Paadalgal
8)Ilakkiya Moolam Ulla Paadalgal
9)Kadhaikku Porundhiya Paadalgal(situational songs)
10)Kavidhai Milekarkal (Poetic Milestones that the poets will be remembered by!)

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• From: Sundar (@ 207-17-126.ipt.aol.com) on: Thu Sep 17 00:55:22 EDT 1998
  
  Movie : Apoorva Raagangal
  Song : Kelviyin Naayagane (Climax song)
  Situation :
  Climax.. Srividya, Jayasudha, Kamal, Major all have to make a decision about their partners and life. SV starts the song looking at Kamal
  
  Kelviyin Naayaganey intha kelvikku pathil ethayya?
  Illathaa medai ondril ezhuthaatha nadakaththai
  ellorum nadikkindrom naamey ellorum paarkindrom
  
  Pasuvidam kandru vanthu paal arundhum
  kandru paalarundhum pothaa kaalai varum..
  ..
  ...
  Thalikku melum oru thaali undaa?
  velikku innoruvan veli undaa
  kathai eppadi, athan mudiv eppadi
  Well SV conveys her decision to Kamal, now Jayasudha joins with SV and starts singing
  . The mother -daughter dialogue in song format
  
  SV : Betham maraintha thendru kooru kanne
  JS : Namadhu vedham thanai maranthu nadakkum munne
  SV : Kanney un kaalam sendra kathai enna
  JS : Unnai kaana pizhaithirunthen veru enna
  SV : Udal eppadi( ithu enna nalam visarithalaa allathu, she is asking are you still virgin?)
  JS : Munpu irunthaarpadi
  SV : Manam eppadi
  JS : Nee virumbum padi
  
  Well now Mother and Daughter are together and daugher conveys her decision
  
  Rajini enters, sends a message she wants to see SV.
  SV looking at Rajini
  
  Thalaivan thiruchaanoor vanthu vittaan
  Mangai tharuma tharisanathai thedukiraan
  alamelu avan mukathai kaanbaalo
  illai anvanodu thirumalaikku selvaalo?
  
  SV's decision regarding Rajini is conveyed.
  
  Now SV looking at Kamal and Major
  Pazhani malayil ulla velmurugaa
  sivan pallaandu yengi vittaan vaa murugaa
  pidivaatham thannai vidu peru murugaa
  konjam piriyathudam pakkath thirumurugaa
  
  Also she conveys what whe wants kamal to do
  
  5 characters, complicated situation, kaththi mel nadakkira maathiri oru climax,
  Well well KD hadles the situation so easily
  
  
• From: Sundar (@ 207-17-126.ipt.aol.com) on: Thu Sep 17 01:06:20 EDT 1998
  
  Movie : Avarkal
  Situation : Sujatha, rajini, kamal, bharani, sujath's kid. Kid is crying . sujatha's lullaby to her kid (she describes her story in this song)
  
  
  Ippadi oor thaalattu padavaa
  athil appadiye en kathayai kooravaa
  athil appadiye en kathayai koorava
  
  Kaipidithaa nayaganum (rajini) kaaviyathu naayaganum(bharani)
  Eppadiyo verubattar
  enmadiyil nee vizhunthaai...
  
  Androru naal meeravum kannani ninainthaal
  yeno avaludaya thalayezhuthu mannanai mananthaal
  idhuvaraithaan than kathayai ennidam sonnaal
  naan athilirukkum enkathayai unnidam sonnen
  
  Kannanavan kaiyiniley kuzhal irunthathu
  antha gaanam thaaney meeravai kavarnthu izhuthathu
  (i think bharani used to play mouth organ in this movie... )
  Indru varai antha kuzhal paadukindrathu
  antha innisayil en kuzhanthai thoongukindrathu
  
  Thaalattil than kadhayai koorum oru arputhamaana song
  
  In the same movie, when she is ill, when all the three (kamal , rajini, bharani) helps her, and she is in a dilemma about whom to believe, what decision to take...
  KD comes up with a song that clearly depicts her dilemma.
  
  Angum ingum paathai undu
  indru nee entha pakkam
  Gnayirundo thingal undu
  entha naal unthan naalo
  
  Kallai kandaal kaniyai kandaal
  kallum ingey mella mella kaniyum
  unmai kandaal
  
  Kannaa endraal murugan vanthaan
  murugaa endraal kannan vanthaan
  entha theivam unmai endru
  oomai poojai seivaal
  aval ezhuthum kavithaigalai vidhi pugunthey
  kedukkuthammaa..
  
  angum ingum
  
  
  Vairamuthu may write 1000 songs for a situation in a movie, but only KD (one and only KD) can write one song that will suit the entire movie, their characters and everything on that movie
  
  Pizhaikalukku mannikavum
  Thanks
  
  
  
• From: muthax (@ client209-42-213-93.intrex.net) on: Thu Sep 17 13:54:46 EDT 1998
  
  In the movie Irukodugal(waaa!),
  GG marries Sowkar janaki and get separated due to circumstances(as usual for Gemini).
  Then he marries Jayanthi(after being informed that Sowkar had died). He works in the
  collector office. Sowkar comes there as the new collector and both are shcoked to see
  each other. Soon Jayanthi comes to know about the rumours going around in the office
  about GG and Sowkar - thanks to "BIG MOUTH" Nagesh. Jayanthi without knowing anything
  about Sowkar-GG connection, thinks that she is his second wife and they got married
  secretly etc.... So she thinks of asking to her directly and when she gets invited
  for Sowkar's veetu navarathiri function she sings this song with the clear cut
  meaning. KD and KB is a great combination and i wud say IMHO that KB wud have extracted
  the best out of KD esply in this song.
  
  
  
  Jayanthi: Navarathiriyil kolu mandapathil en paadalilae oru kelvi pirakkum
  Sowkar: Navarathiriyil kolu mandapathil en paadalilae bathil marainthirukkum
  
  
  J: Punnagai mannan pooovizhi kannan rukmanikaaga
  avan pulaanguzhalil ullam mayangum kanmanikaaga
  S: Punnagai mannan poovizhi kannan iruvarukaaga
  indha baama rukmani iruvarumae avan oruvanukaaga.
  
  J: Potrum kanavan kungumam vaithathu oruthiyin netriyile
  S: andha kungumam vaithavan sangamamanadhu iruvarin nenjinilae
  J: orudal thannil eerudal endru irundhida vazhiundo
  S:(aiyo i forgot this line - agood answer).
  J: endhan kelvikku badhil edhu
  S: silar vaazhkaikku porul edhu
  J: adhu uravin maaraatm
  S: Idhu urimai poraatam
  
  J: Punnagai mannan poovizhil kannan...
  S: iruvarukaaga.. indha baama rukmani iruvarumae avan oruvanukaaga
  
  J: Devan murugan koil kondathu valliyin nenjathilae
  S: Avan deivanai endroru poovaiyai manandhadhu thiruparamkudrinilae
  J: Maalayittal adhu or murai dhaan endra iyarkyil thavarundo
  S: Oru maalaiyai iru tholukku soodudhal iraivan thanmay andro
  J: adhu yettil ulla kathai
  S: idhu indrum thodarum kathai
  J: adhu bommai kalyaanam
  S: idhu unmai kalyaanam
  
  
  
  sila varigalil erpatta thavarukku mannikavum
  
  Muthax
  
  
• From: Prakash Balakrishnan (@ gate4.ca.us.ibm.com) on: Fri Sep 18 11:53:11 EDT 1998
  
  Muthax....
  
  I think Punnagai Mannan Poovizhi kaNNaN.. was written by Vaali and not by KaNNadhasan.
  
  
  
  
  
• From: muthax (@ client209-42-213-93.intrex.net) on: Fri Sep 18 12:18:15 EDT 1998
  
  is that so?
  i was under the impression it was by KD.
  still a great song *but not* for this thread.
  Ravi u can remove after confirming.
  
  Sorry guys!
  
  
• From: Reva (@ 202.54.37.18) on: Sat Sep 19 00:01:01 EDT 1998
  
  In two or more of these symposium threads, the
  songs of Bama Vijayam were mentioned in
  support of Kannadhasan's abilities. Ramki and
  others pointed out that the songs were by Vaali.
  Two days back the movie was shon on SUN TV.
  The titles indicated that all songs were by
  Kannadhasan. I hope this puts an end to any
  confusion. So, varavu ettaNaa song, for
  instance, was indeed written by none other than
  Kannadhasan!
  
  
• From: Reva (@ 202.54.37.18) on: Sat Sep 19 02:32:17 EDT 1998
  
  More examples in support of Kannadhasan and VM
  are there in the following thread..
  http://newtfmpage.com/forum/9937.02:23:42.html
  
  
• From: raja m (@ spider-wb034.proxy.aol.com) on: Sat Sep 19 08:08:11 EDT 1998
  
  Great songs mentioned in this thread. Nothing constructive to contribute at present :((
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ 205.218.142.217) on: Tue Sep 22 15:01:25 EDT 1998
  
  Song: Adisaya Raagam; Film: Aboorva Raagangal
  
  A estranged middle-aged woman discovers that her houseguest/disciple/confidant, a younger male is in love and wonders which one of her students caught his eye. He describes in this song the many qualities of the one who captured his heart, it turns out to be the woman herself,the song ends in a crescendo with her name repeated like a chant, avaloru Bhairavi , avaloru Bhairavi. A classic song in every aspect, Kannadhaasan must have had divine inspiration when he wrote this.
  
  adhisaya raagam aanandha raagam
  azhagiya raagam aboorva raagam
  
  vasantha kaalaththil mazhai tharum maegam
  andha mazhai neerarundha manadhinil moagam
  isaiyenum amudhinil avaloru baagham
  indhiraloagaththuch chakkara vaagam
  
  (adhisaya)
  
  pinniya koondhal karunira naagam
  penmaiyin ilakkanam avaladhu dhaegam
  dhaevargal valarththidum kaaviya yaagam
  andha dhaevadhai kidaiththaal adhu en yoagam...adhu en yoagam
  
  oru puram paarththaal mithilaiyin maithili
  marupuram paarththaal kaaviri maadhavi
  mugam mattum paarththaal nilavin edhiroli
  muzhavadhum paarththaal aval oru bhairavi...aval oru bhairavi...aval oru bhairavi
  
  (adhisaya)
  
  
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ 205.218.142.217) on: Thu Sep 24 15:44:04 EDT 1998
  
  Whenever Vairamuthu gets a song situation with depth, he comes up aces. The movie "Kaadhal Oviyam" gave him plenty of opportunity to show his stuff.
  
  Song: Amma Azhagae; Film: Kaadhal Oviyam
  A blind singer is the victim of a cowardly attack. While he sits helplessly in the middle of a raging fire lit on the haystack around him, he sings this song defiantly with the conviction that he will be saved.
  
  ammaa azhagae uyirin oliyae
  un sangeedham en geedhamae
  unai naan azhaiththaal
  vizhiyil mazhaiyae
  
  (ammaa)
  
  aagaayam en paattil asaiginradhu
  en sangeedham poy enru yaar sonnadhu
  kanavugalae vazhividungal kalaimagalai varavidungal
  malaril urangum poongaatru adhanai ezhuppun en paattu
  oadai neeraavaen adhil dheepam aetru
  raagamae uyiraagumae adhu petruth tharum muththuch charam
  sandham tharum ponvaedhamum inbam tharum ponmandhiram
  pongum theeyenai sutrich chudumae
  engum isai adhai vatrich chudumae
  indha veppam ennai enna seiyyum sandhanangal poosumoa
  ullirukkum joadhi onru undu adhanai veppam theendumoa
  padapada padavena erikira kozhundhu
  imaigalai urasudhu idhu oru azhaghu
  vaerum thodaadhu theeyil vizhaadhu yaarum thodaadha surudhi
  angam podipada nenjam urugida dhaevi varuvadhu urudhi
  en dhaevi varuvadhu urudhi
  
  
  Song: Poojaikkaaga Vaazhum Poovai; Film: Kaadhal Oviyam
  Here the blind singer beseeches god when his lover is kidnapped from him. VM implores indignantly with the fury of a wronged innocent.
  
  poojaikkaaga vaazhum poovai sooraiyaadal muraiyoa
  idhu yaar sadhiyoa iraivan sabaiyil idhudhaan vidhiyoa
  
  (un poojaikkaaga)
  
  ilangaatraith thaangaadha poovin jaadhi
  idi veezhndhu sarugaadhal dhaanoa needhi
  koavil enraal dheepam engae
  dheepam illai needhaan engae
  pongudhu manam idhu ragasiya ranam
  kangalil gunam idhu unadharppanam
  ponnezhir chilai idhu envasam ilai iru kangalil raaththiri vaedhanai
  iruvizhi ilaiyenum oru kurai idhuvarai
  idhayaththil irundhadhu illaiyae
  vizhigalil ulaviya olimagal pirindhadhum
  unmaiyil en vizhi illaiyae
  kanavu varumboadhu avalin mughadheepam
  piriya mudiyaadhu poomugam ninaivinil
  
  (poojaikkaaga)
  
  Song: Sangeedha Jaadhi Mullai; Film: Kaadhal Oviyam
  Once the singer gets his eyesight after an operation, he yearns to see the lover who was with him when he was blind.
  
  namdhamdha namdhanamdham namdhanamdham
  namdhanamdham namdhanamdham namdhanamdham
  namdhamdha namdham namdhamdha namdham
  namdhamdha namdham namdhamdha namdham
  en naadhamae vaa vaa a a a...
  
  sangeedha jaadhimullai kaanavillai
  kangal vandhum paavaiyinri paarvaiyillai
  raagangalinri sangeedhamillai
  saavonrudhaanaa nam kaadhal ellai
  en naadhamae vaa vaa a a a...
  
  (sangeedha)
  
  thirumugham vandhu pazhagumoa arimugham seydhu vilagumoa
  vizhigalil thulineer vazhiyumoa adhu pirivadhaith thaanga mudiyumoa
  kanavinil endhan uyirum uravaagi vizhigalil inru azhudhu pirivaagi
  thanimaiyil endhan idhayam sarugaagi udhirumoa
  thiraigal ittaalum maraindhu kollaadhu anaigal ittalum vazhiyil nillaadhu
  ponni nadhi kanni nadhi jeeva nadhi
  vizhigal azhudhapadi karangal thozhudhapadi
  thiraigalum podipada velivarum orukili
  isai enum mazhai varum ini endham mayil varum
  njabaga vaedhanai theerumoa
  aadiya paadhangal kaadhalin vaedhangal aagidumoa aadidumoa paadidumoa
  raaga dheepamae endhan vaasalil vaaraayoa
  kuyilae...kuyilae...kuyilae...kuyilae...
  endhan raagam nenjil ninru aadum
  raaga dheepamae...
  
  naan thaedi vandha oru koadai nilavu aval needhaanae needhaanae
  manak kannil ninru pala kavidhai thandhamagal needhaanae needhaanae needhaanae
  vizhi illai enumboadhu vazhi koduththai
  vizhi vandha pinnal aen siragodiththai
  nenjil enrum undhan bimbam
  nenjil enrum undhan bimbam
  sindhum sandhan undhan sondham
  thaththichellai muththuch chirpam kannukkullae kanneer veppam
  innum enna nenjil achcham kannil mattum jeevan michcham
  mullaip poovil mullum undoa kandukondum indha vaeshamenna
  raaga dheepamae...
  
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ 205.218.142.217) on: Tue Sep 29 21:00:27 EDT 1998
  
  Conclusion:
  VM has shown his brilliance for situational songs whenever the situation was rich, as evident in all the BharathiRaaja movies and his last collaboration with IR, "Sindhu Bhairavi" (probably his best work for an entire soundtrack). But Kannadhaasan pretty much birthed the concept of situational songs with his tailor-made lyrics for movie situations. Kannadhaasan also had the benefit of exemplary directors who gave him one profound situation after another: Bhimsing, A.P.Nagarajan, and Sridhar among others. Kannadhaasan wins handily in this topic too. If there is any interest in this symposium at all out there, we can bother to do the final topic, "Kavidhai Milekarkal (Poetic Milestones that the poets will be remembered by!). If not this symposium will rest until some interested party (read:Sathiya Keerthi if and when he returns to newtfmpage) probes it awake. Nandri. Vanakkam.
  
  Ivan,
  Udhaya
  
  

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