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COPYING - IN TAMIL FILM HISTORY

Topic started by s.senthilkumar (@ 203.197.154.163) on Mon Jan 24 07:23:36 EST 2000.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

i think "copying" is there for a long time in tamil film history.Here we discuss the tamil songs copied from others.

For a compilation of copied/inspired songs: http://copied.newtfmpage.com

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• From: T.Senthilkumaran (@ 203.143.3.170) on: Mon Jun 3 06:41:39 EDT 2002
  
  adi anarkali from ullaththai aliththa is a English song
  
  
• From: Vj (@ 61.11.77.253) on: Tue Jun 4 05:19:44 EDT 2002
  
  "Kattipudi kattipudidaa" is actually a mixture of a couple of (or more) songs...the pallavi part is "Sendhamizh thaenmozhiyaal" the evergreen TRM classic... and the charanam is "Nahin nahin" from that hindi movie....
  
  actually, the whole album "Kushi" is a mix-n-match of several songs... still searching for the original of "Megam karukkudhu" ..:(
  
  
• From: Karthik S (@ 164.164.82.29) on: Tue Jun 4 05:45:16 EDT 2002
  
  Has anybody heard the song 'kannaana poo magane' (or 'kannaana kan magane', not sure!) from K Balachandar's 1981 classic, 'Thanneer thanneer'. I presume the music is by M S Viswanathan, though I also associate Ilayaraja's assistant V S Narasimman for reasons unknown to me! I got to know from a source that Ilayaraja's Nayagan number, 'Thenpaandi cheemayile' has been inspired by this song! Can somebody who has heard both confirm? And if possible, an audio clip of the thanneer thanneer number, please!
  
  
• From: nojalra (@ 202.9.144.18) on: Tue Jun 4 06:41:41 EDT 2002
  
  thaneer thaneer is by v.s. narasimman who was a music arranger for raaja.
  though these two songs have some similarities, in my opinion we cannot dub it as a copy.as both belong to 'thalattu' genre they sound simmilar.
  
  
• From: S (@ 128.107.253.40) on: Tue Jun 4 07:01:27 EDT 2002
  
  >>haneer thaneer is by v.s. narasimman who was a music arranger for raaja. <<
  
  He still IS the lead violinist and the conductor.
  
  
• From: Paayum Puli (@ 192.147.58.6) on: Tue Jun 4 07:36:50 EDT 2002
  
  Thanneer Thanneer by MSV
  
  
• From: Karthik S (@ 164.164.82.29) on: Tue Jun 4 07:41:37 EDT 2002
  
  Exactly my confusion...a few sites (a search in google would show) say its MSV while a few others says its VSN. I remember reading a Vikatan review praising VSN for the song 'aawaarampoovu aarezhu naala' and mentioning the association between VSN and IR. So when I read it as MSV in a few sites recently I was surprised!
  
  But strangely enough I just recall this song 'kannaana kan magane' in that movie!!!!
  
  Desperately seeking an audio clip of this song!
  
  
• From: OISG (@ 193.188.97.152) on: Tue Jun 4 08:31:11 EDT 2002
  
  I think i can clarify .
  
  Thanner Thaneer was by MSV.That particular song was written by Vairamuthu sing by PS.
  
  Thanner thanner s other songs:
  Megam thiraludadhi - MVD-SJ ( The entire village dancing for this song)
  Manathile meenirukka - Kasturi (song for Arudhathi in the movie)
  Thanne kanda pinbu marum - ( MSV himself after the attempt to build the channel gets halted)
  
  VS narasimhan did 2 KB movies which are
  
  Achamillai Achamillai
  Avaram poo -SPB PS
  Oodugira thanniyil MVD-PS
  Kaile kasu vayil dosa - SPB+chorus
  
  Kalyana Agathigal
  Mansukkul utkarthu maniyadthai-PS +Raj seethraman
  Varavendum penne varavendum - PS +Chorus
  
  
• From: :) (@ 151.201.30.41) on: Tue Jun 4 08:31:31 EDT 2002
  
  thanneer thanneer is by msv., no doubts about.
  megam karukudadi is one another bright song in that movie. If i remember, there are only 2 or 3 songs in that movie.
  
  and KarthickS, yes there is lots of similarties in the tune with then pandi semaiele.
  actually i would say then pandi semaiele is mixture of good old malardum malaraga and this song .
  
  
• From: OISG (@ 193.188.97.152) on: Tue Jun 4 08:50:25 EDT 2002
  
  S Karthik
  
  That was a lullaby and so you may get the feeling.But i do not see any influence ,resemblance etc.I do not have any great opinion on "thenpandi" but IMHO it comes out clear.
  
  The songs with similar base often would give the listener a feeling of copied.You listen to the following songs in any sequence
  
  Katrinile perum katrinile -KJY-GD-Thulabaram
  Uchi vaguntheduthu- SPB-IR-Rosappu Ravikaikari
  Valartha kada mutta-TMS-MSV-Kalthoon
  Pattu vanna rosavam -MVD-SG-Kanni paruvathile
  Rosa malare - PJ-SG-Rajangham
  
  
  
• From: rakesh (@ 164.164.86.66) on: Tue Jun 4 22:38:44 EDT 2002
  
  I think there is no difference between pickpockets/thieves and copying music directors like Deva, SA raj kumar etc...
  As far as Tamil industry is concerned Ilayaraja is the very genuine music director.
  
  
• From: rakesh (@ 164.164.86.66) on: Tue Jun 4 22:41:17 EDT 2002
  
  U can often hear beats of hindi songs in bharadwajs music..
  
  Especially in his recent films he has added bits of Gupt music,Pardes in his songs..
  
  SA rajkumar copied one sone from Gupt..in pattali.."Ulagalagiya...."
  
  
• From: rakesh (@ 164.164.86.66) on: Tue Jun 4 22:45:28 EDT 2002
  
  Ilaya rajas "Rakamma kaiya thattu" was copie as "thuthu thu thuthuthara" and alomost all songs including beauties like "Inji idupalagi" were copied in virasaat, hindi film.
  but the music directors name was Anu malik
  
  
• From: rakesh (@ 164.164.86.66) on: Tue Jun 4 22:51:45 EDT 2002
  
  SA rajkumar copied the following in "priyamanavale"
  
  1.michel jackson in one fast beat song
  2. Akasavani neeyae en rani is a hindi song
  
  
• From: rakesh (@ 164.164.86.66) on: Tue Jun 4 22:53:09 EDT 2002
  
  And the worst of all SA rajkumar has copied one Bakthi song in Kamarasu..he is a fool
  
  
• From: Karthik S (@ 164.164.82.29) on: Wed Jun 5 00:02:30 EDT 2002
  
  Cool down Rakesh!!!!
  
  
• From: Mohideen (@ 205.188.193.166) on: Wed Jun 5 00:28:00 EDT 2002
  
  Penn Oruthi Penn Oruthi... song from GEMINI (music by Bharatwaj) copied from Shaggy's Album HOT SHOT....songs # 13 Why me Lord? ...
  
  
• From: OISG (@ 193.188.97.152) on: Wed Jun 5 05:39:52 EDT 2002
  
  Notice RDB s "Ek mey our ek thu" in a Deva s song in the movie 1-2-3.(Prabhu deva & Bros)
  
  Has this been mentioned before?
  
  The "Gnanam seethave kanom" from the Pavithran s magnum opus "Indu" by Deva is a straight lift from RDB s "Jana Oh! mere Jana" (Sanam teri Kasam-Kamal -Reena Roy)
  
  
• From: Vj (@ 61.11.76.38) on: Wed Jun 5 06:59:03 EDT 2002
  
  has this been mentioned b4? "idhayam idhayam inaigiradhey" - Vidugadhai (agathiyan movie MD Deva) is a recycle of "indhiya naadu en veedu" from Bharatha vilas?
  
  
• From: Vj (@ 61.11.76.38) on: Wed Jun 5 07:01:40 EDT 2002
  
  "Raasidhaan kai raasidhaan" - En aasai machaan is a hindi song. and so is "Priya priya oh priya" from Kattabomman.
  
  "Kozhi vandhadhaa" song from "Aha" is a hindi song "Gutur gutur" from a Mithun's movie .. the "gutur gutur" is modified as "kokkarakkokko" in the tamil song. Long Live Deva whoz the MD for all these movies.
  
  
• From: NagaS (@ 203.195.223.210) on: Wed Jun 5 07:07:33 EDT 2002
  
  Vj,
  
  I was thinking 'Idhayam Idhayam INaikiRathee' is recycled form of 'Ragupathy Ragava RajaRam' ;-)
  
  NagaS
  
  
• From: OISG (@ 193.188.97.152) on: Wed Jun 5 11:28:30 EDT 2002
  
  Vj
  
  Priya ..is a simple and superb mohanam by deva.The song starts with a Kishore-Gora Ka-Aaradhana humming.Rest of the song looks very original.Deva vishaythula committ pannikka mudiyathuthan ..even then!
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 63.206.199.37) on: Wed Jun 5 12:56:48 EDT 2002
  
  priyamaanavalae's "welcome boys" is an exact copy of mr. president's "coco jambo". you can listen to coco jambo at www.cdnow.com and see what I mean.
  
  
• From: Common Friend (@ 203.197.141.186) on: Wed Jun 5 13:16:44 EDT 2002
  
  Please stop here. If you start listing deva's song then the newtfmpage will run out of space.
  
  For a change, shall we try to find few of Deva's originals...very difficult but if we try then we might even get a PHD..who knows?
  
  
• From: sarat (@ 128.192.5.157) on: Wed Jun 5 13:49:57 EDT 2002
  
  apple pennae from Rojakootam inspired from "meri Mehbooba" from Pardes.
  
  
  
• From: Ram (@ 134.121.73.124) on: Wed Jun 5 15:30:27 EDT 2002
  
  OSIG,
  Both Gora-Khagaj and Priya Priya are based on Raga Pahadi(both pahadi and mohanam use same swaras but the Pahadi is a Vakkra Raagam)
  
  
• From: Rajesh (@ 203.92.84.189) on: Thu Jun 6 00:01:21 EDT 2002
  
  Priya priya oh Priya was first composed by Deva... Hindi song followed suit.
  
  
• From: Ram (@ 63.161.25.208) on: Thu Jun 6 00:23:22 EDT 2002
  
  Ghora Khagaj is a very old song Rajesh
  
  
• From: Karthik S (@ 164.164.82.29) on: Thu Jun 6 01:49:48 EDT 2002
  
  Pennoruthi from Gemini does seem to have some shades of Shaggy's 'Why me lord'!
  
  The lines in the Tamil song, 'Brahma O Brahma, ithu thaguma ithu thaguma...' seems to have been inspired by Shaggy's number, which has the words 'Why me, lord..why me...' with almost the same tune! Also, since Shaggy has done many cover versions of older number, I was looking for info if this was also a cover version - to get to the original to see if Bharadwaj has used more from the original. While I did find songs with the same name 'Why me lord' by many singers including Elvis Presley and many country singer, they sound like totally different songs with very different lyrics. So it looks like Bharadwaj's source if indeed Shaggy's number! All said, this inspiration is pretty well done and surely not a direct lift. Thanks to info from Mohideen in newtfmpage.com.
  
  Check out both the songs at
  www.iespana.es/i2fs/
  
  
• From: Kajan (@ 66.185.85.76) on: Thu Jun 6 14:16:19 EDT 2002
  
  Does anyone feel that Minnalae got influanced from ARR's music ?
  
  Becos I noticed other way , in Dumm Dumm Dumm the back music is similar to Minnalae song.
  
  
• From: Vj (@ 61.11.83.24) on: Fri Jun 7 02:38:27 EDT 2002
  
  Kajan... Dumm Dumm Dumm is by Karthik Raja... Minnaley is by Harris Jayaraj... pls be clear.
  
  
• From: Hari (@ 202.144.37.154) on: Sat Jun 8 07:37:32 EDT 2002
  
  Annamalai Annamalai 'Starting tune' copied from Beethoven - 5th Symphony
  
  
• From: Subash (@ 195.93.34.162) on: Sun Jun 9 03:29:56 EDT 2002
  
  Kajan, DDD came out long before Minnale, so are you implying that HJ copies not only from ARR but KR as well?
  
  
• From: Karthik S (@ 164.164.82.29) on: Mon Jun 10 02:33:35 EDT 2002
  
  Was WHAM's 'Club Tropicana' the source of inspiration for Rahman's May Madham number 'Madarasa suthi pakka poren'? Listen to both the songs and let me know...
  
  Listen to them at www.iespana.es/i2fs/
  
  

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