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Is ARR Running out of Stuff?

Topic started by Ramesh Vaidhyanathan (@ gengw.gensym.com) on Fri Mar 13 15:14:51 EST 1998.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

I listened to VandeMatharam in which ARR recycled his own tunes from Kizhakku Ceemayile and a touch of a song from Indira.
Also ARR's recent movies for big time producers like Ratchagan and Iruvar (except one song) and Dhoud in Hindi did not have any notable music. Remember ARRs last hit Minsarak Kanavu music was done long time ago.

If for a major album for Sony released on 50th year of Indian Independence, ARR cannot produce original music, then I have to come to the conclusion that he is running out of stuff. I heard that ARR is planning to cut down on movies and concentrate more on albums. Thus he will have to produce less and earn more.

Right now I do not see any difference in the quality of music produced by ARR and Karthik Raja. In fact I think Deva is doing a better job of providing consistant good quality music.

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• From: Swami (@ alpine-ext.wise.edt.ericsson.se) on: Mon Apr 5 11:57:48 EDT 1999
  
  Just think n times b4 posting.
  
  appa neega poste panna koodathu Mr.Kuzhapam.
  
  
• From: Mr.Kuzapam (@ 206.139.13.152) on: Mon Apr 5 13:46:26 EDT 1999
  
  SWami : sTOP behaving like subramaniya swami.
  
  I have made my point clear about Ragam.
  
  You guys have no other work --- simply bcos you cannot enjoy IR's music as he is not producing any good music.
  Also cannot enjoy ARR music, bcos you are not able to digest the fact - ARR chased IR out , finding faults with every other Arr score will make your points weak ---- and no one will read even if you post real good things about IR.
  
  Stop this crazy ARR bashing (and bashing me), musically Padaiappa songs are good. Vasantha or any other ragam does not belong to IR.
  
  BTW : tell me few IR songs that reached atleast 10,000 pairs of ears this year.
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.22.112) on: Mon Apr 5 14:09:31 EDT 1999
  
  Of late I find many taking the names of ragas for defending the opinions. The worst part of it is that the comparison, the discussion, which stem out of the above are all "wrong". I think Madhan started it (Remember yaman - mohanam ?).
  
  The recent addition to this is the arguemnt of Mr.K. You have in your post compared "rathiriyil" (set in hamsanandhi) and "7 swarangaLukkuL" (set in bandhuvaraaLi). I am not saying that we must not take the names of ragas or whatever, but just request that we be correct in giving the details. Else this projects a very bad picture of the person arguing.
  
  
• From: Mr.Kuzapam (@ 206.139.13.152) on: Mon Apr 5 14:32:56 EDT 1999
  
  
  MS : Frankly, I know the diff between both the ragas. I got wild with these IR fans who spoil the sprit of this discussion here
  
  
  fyi:Rathiriyil is a mix of Panthuvarali + Purvee Kalyani + Hamsannadhee -- it is not a pure hamsanadhee. Musically just formation of the notes will not be called as raga - it is a mere scale - Each and every raga has a face or sayal, a composer needs needs to bring it out by gamakas, swaras etc.
  Pure hamsanandhee from IR -- raga deepam etrum neram in Payanangal mudivathilai. He delivers hamsanandee.
  
  In Anthee mazai which is technically set to vasantha, but the compser strays around going a to a major scale in the BGMS
  
  Branding Minnsara Kanna as a copied tune just bcos it is set to Vasantha is very childish.
  
  IR DOES NOT OWN ANY RAGA --
  
  
  -- ThalaiVali.Andha allaum oum compose seiya kanum, pandravanaium theituveenga....
  Ena pozaipo....
  Live and let live.
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.22.112) on: Mon Apr 5 14:44:11 EDT 1999
  
  I agree that to your statement that "IR does not own any raga". Neenga yaarai kadaisiyil ninaichundu sonneengannu theriyalai. I am no ARR basher and have an ear (or 2:-)) for all good songs from all composers. In fact in my review of Padayappa, I had said the song "minsara" is definitely commendable with an unacceptably disturbing swara delivery of Nithya compromising the quality at the end.
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.22.112) on: Mon Apr 5 14:44:58 EDT 1999
  
  typo; 'agree that to' should read "agree to"
  
  
• From: Mr.Kuzapam (@ 206.139.13.152) on: Mon Apr 5 15:27:39 EDT 1999
  
  MS : only first few lines were for you.SORRY to mislead you.
  
  Others were for arr bashers,
  
  
• From: Not_a_ragam_man (@ alpine-ext.wise.edt.ericsson.se) on: Mon Apr 5 15:31:08 EDT 1999
  
  return of dhkskfj
  
  
• From: chandy (@ 209.125.83.228) on: Mon Apr 5 15:53:08 EDT 1999
  
  I listened to minsara kanna on net, it sounded very good to me (MP3 version available anywhere??). This seems to be the only song to my liking in the entire padaiappa album. I'm happy that ARR was able to come up with atleast one great number!
  
  And calling this number as a lift is ridiculous!!
  
  Mr.Kuzhapam, unga posting kadaisilyila vellayathavan style varudhe!! Avaru sandaiku vara poraru!! jaakaradhai :)
  
  
  
  
  
• From: ARR Fan (@ 198.80.192.137) on: Tue Apr 6 02:06:33 EDT 1999
  
  Raj,
  
  FYI, We, ARR fans never started first saying IR is copying the songs, bla.. bla...., (It doesn't mean he never stolen the tunes)only you guys are always blowing your trumpets against ARR, that make us to expel the complaints against ARR can be applicable to IR also. Thats it, we don't even care whether IR copies or have his two sons look around to copy for him.
  
  You better come-up with a statics of copied songs and make whatever the law suits you can file against to the copiers in order to get the compensation that may be a great job to your guru. He will be very happy since he is in a severe financial hardship.
  
  
• From: Raj (@ master.hyd.deshaw.com) on: Tue Apr 6 02:22:10 EDT 1999
  
  ARR Fan: I am sorry to see you haven't quite understod my import. I quoted you verbatim and just asked you to perform a logical extension of that.
  And I know quite a few languages-Tamil English and Telugu, to name a few- but none of this knowledge seems to help me out when it comes to deciphering your posts.could u just make life easier for me by telling me what is that language that u are using and where online can I get a tutorial for that language:)))
  
  
• From: Neels (@ 202.54.125.237) on: Tue Apr 6 02:32:53 EDT 1999
  
  Kuzhappam,
  
  I don't think any one in this thread said that Minara Kanna is copied from any IR song.
  
  This was my posting:
  " I heard the most-talked about song in Padayappa: MINSARA KANNA. It's an earnest atempt at Carnatic stuff, after his extremely well-tuned 'Naru Mugaye' from Iruvar (spoiled by the poor pronounciation/ rendering of Bombay Jayshree).
  
  Well, the above song in my opinion is like any other song of IR in the raga Vasantha like 'Maan Kanden Maan Kanden' from Raja Rishi or 'Andhi Mazhai' from RajaPaarvai. It may be a new sound from ARR, but is not new to TFM. However, it's nice to note that ARR is attempting some Raja'ish compositions and (in the process) proving that he hasn't run out of Stuff yet. "
  
  My point is that it is a new sound from ARR and definitely NOT a copy. It belongs to the family of compositions set to Vasanta Ragam like the ones I mentioned above.
  
  
  Cheers!
  Neels
  
  
• From: F_of-arrf (@ webgate0.mot.com) on: Tue Apr 6 09:15:11 EDT 1999
  
  ARR Fan,
  
  Why do u include some genuine ,decent , cultured arr fans in your 'elite' group by saying things like "we arr fans" "we don't care" etc.
  
  
• From: rajaG (@ daecfp01.sprint.com) on: Tue Apr 6 10:18:57 EDT 1999
  
  Neels,
  
  Why the left handed compliment? Why not just say that minsara kannaa (such and such song) is good and stop there. Why the 'sounds Rajaish' idaich cherugal? Irrespective of whether ARR copies from other Western/Indian sources or not, I think if there is one thing he will be careful about is to make sure that there is nothing "Rajaish" about his music. I am guessing that this abstinence is born out of professional respect and rivalry, as well as, his own pride.
  Let's rewind the tape by about 15 years. If you heard a wonderful melody by Raja (and thank the good lord, there was plenty of them) how would you or Raja have reacted if another listener said, "romba nalla tune, sounds MSVish". paththindu varum illayaa? I am just requesting you to be sensitive to the pride and professional talents of these greats - and to the reflected glory of the fans. IR is the best there is/was! For our selfish reasons, we need the ARRs, SARs etc, to constantly try to scale the peak so that we, as fans, can get the best out of them.
  
  
• From: Mr.Kuzapam (@ 206.139.13.152) on: Tue Apr 6 10:49:18 EDT 1999
  
  Neels FYI :
  
  
  From:
  Mahesh (@ 1cust136.tnt5.beaverton.or.da.uu.net) on: Sun Apr 4 16:54:24 EDT 1999
  
  
  Analyser,
  to my understanding Minsara Kanna was lifted from
  Vandanam En Vandanam from Vazhave Mayam and
  Rathiriyil Poothirukkum from Thanga Magan,
  
  and the list expand ....
  
  
  --- do you agree with my plea now.
  
  
  
• From: chandy (@ 209.125.83.228) on: Tue Apr 6 11:41:33 EDT 1999
  
  The confusion is because of a one-time Dfer (or not-so-frequent DFer) - Mahesh who seem to have succeeded in stirring a controversey here and has sunk into some oblivion without a trace. There are enough rebuttals for his accusations and its time we move on to something else.
  
  
  
  
  
• From: Ram (@ ott-on6-03.netcom.ca) on: Tue Apr 6 16:28:04 EDT 1999
  
  You know what? Even after the release of Padayappa, ARR fans still have confidence in him. In a current poll at www.newtamilfilms.com, ARR is giving IR a good beating, and think that ARR provides the most consistent albums (eventhough the poll is dominated by ARR fans).
  
  
• From: Analyser (@ alcor.concordia.ca) on: Tue Apr 6 18:26:53 EDT 1999
  
  Friends:
  
  From the movie "Jodi", I heard the song "Vanna Poongavai Pole...". The theme of the song is supposed to be "pasam" but rather I was about to sleep. So, the theme felt like "Thalattu". Isn't a good MD should chose the theme as according to the theme of the lyrics and situation in the music. I am just putting forward my opinion. Let me know your opinion on this.
  
  
• From: NaNbaN (@ nyor1ts1.ny.us.ibm.net) on: Tue Apr 6 21:19:56 EDT 1999
  
  ARR music in Minsara Kanna is definetly Irish (sorry IRRish) and it is a absolute copy of some IR song based some RAGA. You know why? Coz I haven't yet heard any of the padaiyappa songs.( new way to post)
  
  come on guys! Atleast sometimes we have appreciate ARR.
  
  If RAJA creates song based on barking of a dog, does that mean IR music is DOGish.
  (IR had once said "Even a dog barking is like Vidawan singing sabhas to me. I see no difference").
  
  Whenever ARR's specific song has come to debate in this forum. I found it very good. Oh! what a good reasoning?.
  
  Now digression.. (without hat TFMmers can't end posting)
  
  The first Violin(or whatever it is) interlude in the song "Sinoreeta I love, My sweetheart you love me" from Jhonny Sounds to me like MEOWish. I mean it sounds perfectly like Cat Meowing. Was IR inspired by a CAT there?. or he copied copy the CAT music? I have to post this in IR Copy thread. Got to go buddies.
  
  Meow.. Meow..,
  NaNbaN
  
  NaNbaNish: I am Hardcore IR fan. IR disciple's Please Don't bash me for this.
  
  
• From: neruppu (@ 129.137.33.123) on: Tue Apr 6 22:28:10 EDT 1999
  
  Nanbare, enna solla vareenga?
  
  

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