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Is ARR Running out of Stuff?

Topic started by Ramesh Vaidhyanathan (@ gengw.gensym.com) on Fri Mar 13 15:14:51 EST 1998.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

I listened to VandeMatharam in which ARR recycled his own tunes from Kizhakku Ceemayile and a touch of a song from Indira.
Also ARR's recent movies for big time producers like Ratchagan and Iruvar (except one song) and Dhoud in Hindi did not have any notable music. Remember ARRs last hit Minsarak Kanavu music was done long time ago.

If for a major album for Sony released on 50th year of Indian Independence, ARR cannot produce original music, then I have to come to the conclusion that he is running out of stuff. I heard that ARR is planning to cut down on movies and concentrate more on albums. Thus he will have to produce less and earn more.

Right now I do not see any difference in the quality of music produced by ARR and Karthik Raja. In fact I think Deva is doing a better job of providing consistant good quality music.

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Responses:

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• From: MS (@ 129.252.22.112) on: Thu Apr 1 14:09:41 EST 1999
  
  Kooththan:
  
  I think you have probably taken my note too personal. I must admit the fact I used a strong term. (BTW, it is "read savage ?" and not "red savage ?" a vowel makes a lot of diffeence in the intensity :-)
  
  I agree that mastery over English is no guise of being civilized. If you had read through my post, I had specifically moulded it for ARR fan who had some unpleasant comments about our forum. I have personally visited that forum (just like you) and was compelled to tell the DF of the profanity of those who participated in it. Note that this is directed only towards those who are indecent and not to those who are not.
  
  I can quote some egs from that forum about the IR vs ARR fights (bb has quoted the most decent :-))or whatever which I am sure will make Ravi stop the postings from my terminal.:-) Hope I have cleared.
  
  SM :-))
  
  
  
  
• From: Ravi (@ hope.cs.umass.edu) on: Thu Apr 1 14:39:48 EST 1999
  
  hmm.. Is ARR running out of stuff? :-)
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.22.112) on: Thu Apr 1 14:58:11 EST 1999
  
  Sari..Sari..Velaikku varrom ...Sorry Ravi. :-( :-)
  
  
• From: Munna (@ sairam.resnet.mtu.edu) on: Thu Apr 1 15:26:10 EST 1999
  
  Hello,
  
  Ellarukkum romba romba sorry-nga. Naan enge ponalum vambudhaan varudhu. Ennada, inge neraya
  peru Ilayaraja rasigargala irukkaangale, anga
  nerya peru rehman rasigargale irukkaangalennu
  theriyama oru kelvi kettutten. Ange thaniya
  oru thread create panni irukkaange. Inge neenge
  neraya peru sandai podureenga.
  
  Enukku romba naala, ennoda ennathai ellam
  sollanum-nu aasai. Ange orudharam sonnen.
  Esegu pisaga thitti vittanga (I used strong
  language first, when I was talking about
  Ratnam). Ana ange enne thiti vitavange ellam
  regular visitors than (inge oruthar sonnar,
  regular visitors thappa pesave matttangannu.
  sir, atleast en case-le yaavadhu adhu thappu).Inge orudharam sonnen. Periya sandai
  kelambudhu.
  
  Naan thappu edhum seidhu irundhal mannichirunge. Indhe sandai ennalaya, ille andhe
  ARR-fan -alaya nnu theriyale.
  
  Ravi sir, maanichirunga.
  
  
• From: kooththan (@ keno.pmc-vacc.com) on: Thu Apr 1 16:19:32 EST 1999
  
  Srinath,
  
  I usually stay out of fights/arguments (the 'civilised' version of course :-) ) involving you or Raj. Mainly because I don't want to get blown out of water and I don't want to look ignorant and stupid :-)
  
  That 'posterior' remark was used as an example, not as a generalisation. I am sorry if I made you think that I was generalising. I didn't even realise that was one of your postings.
  
  MS,
  
  The comments from TTV that were quoted in this forum were not made by regulars there. Much like the 'irregulars' here that Srinath refers to, they are hard to keep in line.
  
  I know a lot of the arguments in this forum are very civil, but so it is in TTV. There, people needle each other a lot, just for the fun of it. But, never do they use harsh language. It's all done in good spirit. I really feel very close to people on that forum much like you do to people on this forum. (btw, I am starting to feel comfortable in this forum too :-) )
  
  Anyway, I understand why you lost your cool, but I didn't take it personally as you thought. I was just pointing the other side to you. Now that you see that there is an another side, let me rest my case :-). Here's too many more 'civilised' arguments:-)
  
  ....later
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.22.112) on: Thu Apr 1 16:22:31 EST 1999
  
  Munna,
  
  Welcome to the DF. Do not bother about these. you are not responsible. Idhu kAlam kAlamAga vAzuvadhu...:-)) I have nothing aginst ARR fan and (hope :-)) he too thinks the same way about me. All's a part of the game..I must say there is no "sandai" regardless of your observation. It just helps us to get along well..It is just another way of entertaining ourselves.. :-)
  
  
• From: Vels (@ alcor.concordia.ca) on: Fri Apr 2 09:54:45 EST 1999
  
  To all friends who responded to the upload of Padayappa songs, I thank you.
  
  
• From: Neels (@ 202.54.125.220) on: Fri Apr 2 14:30:06 EST 1999
  
  I heard the most-talked about song in Padayappa: MINSARA KANNA. It's an earnest atempt at Carnatic stuff, after his extremely well-tuned 'Naru Mugaye' from Iruvar (spoiled by the poor pronounciation/ rendering of Bombay Jayshree).
  
  Well, the above song in my opinion is like any other song of IR in the raga Vasantha like 'Maan Kanden Maan Kanden' from Raja Rishi or 'Andhi Mazhai' from RajaPaarvai. It may be a new sound from ARR, but is not new to TFM. However, it's nice to note that ARR is attempting some Raja'ish compositions and (in the process) proving that he hasn't run out of Stuff yet.
  
  What say?
  
  BTW, what do you guys think of these lines in the lyrics:
  
  The girl sings to the guy:
  
  "Naan Unnum Miccha Paalai Nee Undu Vazhndu Vandal, Mokshangal Unakkallava!!!!!"
  
  An obvious evil intention from the director's side to wipe the heroine off the TF industry! (remember what Rajni fans did to Manorama and Vadivikkarasi???)
  
  Neels
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.22.112) on: Fri Apr 2 19:25:42 EST 1999
  
  Sorry, Neels. I think despite the formulation of the attempt the swaras etc... ina duet IMO do not fit well in the song. WE may welcome ARR's attempt, but the the song in full form is not very appealing.
  
  IMO, suthi suthi vandheega is a good song.
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.22.112) on: Fri Apr 2 19:28:45 EST 1999
  
  typo: ..fit well. WE..
  
  
• From: Analyser (@ alcor.concordia.ca) on: Sun Apr 4 14:32:48 EDT 1999
  
  Hi Guys:
  
  Y do I recall "Alahu Malar Ada Abi Nayangal Kooda Silamboliyum Pulumbuvadai Kael Kael...." sung by SJ and Revathi danced for this song in the movie(I don't know, the name of the movie), when I listened to "Minsara Kanna.....". Is there at all any resemblence?
  
  
• From: bb (@ franck.crhc.uiuc.edu) on: Sun Apr 4 16:11:49 EDT 1999
  
  analyser, there are some more threads left out!! adhileyum indha post pannidunga:-)))))
  
  
• From: Analyser (@ alcor.concordia.ca) on: Sun Apr 4 16:13:59 EDT 1999
  
  bb:
  
  The other thread was closed. Since, it could not be discussed there, I had to repost here. Thappa Eduthukkadael.
  
  
• From: Mahesh (@ 1cust136.tnt5.beaverton.or.da.uu.net) on: Sun Apr 4 16:50:36 EDT 1999
  
  ARR Fan,
  Hope you will be visiting this page.
  About ur complaint that I am blindly adore to IR, Vandanam song from Vazheve Mayam is not by IR it is by G.A. I am not emotional against ARR, but IR is the most talented MD that India has ever seen, and he has prooven it in years, if you just rate a person by the numbers of CDs and Cassettes sold rather than by the talent, there are people like TR and Deva who can also be considered as the best MD in tfm.
  
  
  
  
• From: Mahesh (@ 1cust136.tnt5.beaverton.or.da.uu.net) on: Sun Apr 4 16:54:24 EDT 1999
  
  Analyser,
  to my understanding Minsara Kanna was lifted from
  Vandanam En Vandanam from Vazhave Mayam and
  Rathiriyil Poothirukkum from Thanga Magan,
  
  and the list expand ....
  
  
• From: ARR Fan (@ 198.80.192.137) on: Mon Apr 5 03:06:51 EDT 1999
  
  Mahesh,
  
  If I gonna list the copied version of the songs by IR, then this thread is not enough to end-up. So, for heaven sack, do not continue bash ARR and try to laud the good music of him.
  
  IR was seemed like talented MD yesteryears and he is not all fit now to cope with the latest trend of music. But, ARR has a very good music knowledge and understand well how to offer a good music for the present demand. That is why, he is the limelight of film industry.
  
  You were underestimated TR & Deva, they are also good MDs sometimes. The true music should be judged by the ppl and if anyone shows the maximum number of sale of his output, then he knows the beat of the ppl and the ppl are not just dumps to purchase the products blindly like you buying IRs. They have a very good sense of music nowadays. BTW, TR & Deva.... CDs and tapes are never & ever reached to level of ARRs. So, ARR is still the best MD in TFM and bollywood as well.
  
  
• From: bb (@ franck.crhc.uiuc.edu) on: Mon Apr 5 03:16:50 EDT 1999
  
  mahesh, if u see the IR copy adiththa paadalgal thread, more often than not, a song is accepted to be a copy if only it is properly justified. can u do the same for minsaara kanna?
  
  
• From: Raj (@ master.hyd.deshaw.com) on: Mon Apr 5 03:23:21 EDT 1999
  
  ARR Fan: Ah! List copies of Raja in "IR copy aditha paadalgal" thread. But ofcourse, you didnt mean that IR copied songs, did you? Infact it is seen clearly in your words:
  "If I gonna list the copied version of the songs by IR, then this thread is not enough to end-up. "
  
  Yeah, buddy, you are right. If anyone tries to list *Copied versions* of songs by Raja, one will have to dig through A-M's creative output over the past decade, Deva's voluminous output over the pst seven, eight years and ofcourse ARR's own archive. Plus numerous other searches . God bless you if you can sit and sift through all these and make a list. That would be deep service to Raja and fans like me, who will thus be spared of the agony of hearing all these 'songs' to ascertain how much Raja is being imitated. God Bless you,ARR Fan..and BTW, could you also possibly sue these guys for producing "Copied versions" of Raja's songs and redirect the compensation to Raja? That would be much appreciated:)))
  
  
• From: Geetha (@ gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk) on: Mon Apr 5 05:38:55 EDT 1999
  
  Minnsara Kanna is in Vasantha Ragam, but it CANNOT BE JUSTIFIED as a COPY..... Please understand that a Raga can be used by anyone, it does not belong to anyone....IR does not own Vasantha. IR has used so many Ragas. Does this mean that you will say that any time another MD uses a Raga used by IR, that the song will be a copy?!?!? This is very unfair. Minnasara Kanna is a very good effort by ARR, considering that, unlike IR, ARR is not a Carnatic Expert Musician.....
  
  
• From: Mr.Kuzapm (@ 206.139.13.152) on: Mon Apr 5 11:48:05 EDT 1999
  
  
  Magesh :
  to my understanding Minsara Kanna was lifted from
  Vandanam En Vandanam from Vazhave Mayam and
  Rathiriyil Poothirukkum from Thanga Magan,
  
  and the list expand ....
  
  --- do you know something called as Ragam for a song.
  
  Can we call Rathiriyil Poothirukkum is lifted from 7 swarangal in Aboorva ragangal.
  or KaalaiumNeeya Malaium nEEYE in thean nilavu.
  or
  Indariku en indha annadame lifted from Vanakm Palamurai soonen.. (Abogi)
  
  Just think n times b4 posting.
  
  

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