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COPYING - IN TAMIL FILM HISTORY

Topic started by s.senthilkumar (@ 203.197.154.163) on Mon Jan 24 07:23:36 EST 2000.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

i think "copying" is there for a long time in tamil film history.Here we discuss the tamil songs copied from others.

For a compilation of copied/inspired songs: http://copied.newtfmpage.com

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• From: kiru (@ 192.138.149.4) on: Tue Mar 13 13:52:28 EST 2001
  
  I think KR got inspired by Harry Belafonte in the Anjala Anjala song in UKP. I am specifically talking about the tracks in Beetlejuice movie. Its possible I am just misled by the way the trumpets are used. Golden ears give it a listen.
  
  
• From: comment (@ 63.226.194.123) on: Tue Mar 13 14:17:02 EST 2001
  
  hearing this, I now have doubt on masthana masthana,I feel KR is the culprit in lifting from belafonte, not IR. (but why he let him do it? GOK)
  
  
  
• From: UVII (@ 63.76.3.20) on: Tue Mar 13 14:23:58 EST 2001
  
  becos he is his son :-))
  
  
• From: comment (@ 63.226.194.123) on: Tue Mar 13 14:31:11 EST 2001
  
  so IR it not like the "Indian" father... :))
  
  
• From: UVII (@ 63.76.3.20) on: Tue Mar 13 14:36:52 EST 2001
  
  If he is an "Indian" father, then only one of them can survive :))
  
  
• From: comment (@ 63.226.194.123) on: Tue Mar 13 14:47:45 EST 2001
  
  uv2....goodone..:)
  
  
• From: hihi:-) (@ 134.124.160.10) on: Tue Mar 13 14:50:47 EST 2001
  
  that also in hiding?!?!
  
  
• From: UVII (@ 63.76.3.20) on: Tue Mar 13 16:55:56 EST 2001
  
  hihi:-)
  did not get you ??
  
  
• From: Karthik S (@ 164.164.82.22) on: Tue Mar 13 22:41:43 EST 2001
  
  Guys,
  
  Here's the original of 'oho keechu kiliye', Mugavari, by Deva. Original is called 'Enemies' by Dr Alban.
  
  http://hammer.prohosting.com/~arr/Dr_Alban_Enemies.rm
  
  And the original of Karthikraja's song from naam iruvar namakku iruvar 'hello enthan kaathala'...original is from the movie OST Evita, sung by Madonna, music by Andrew Lloyd Webber.
  
  http://hammer.prohosting.com/~arr/Evita_Buenos_Aires.rm
  
  Ensoy!
  --Karthik
  
  
• From: suresh (@ 203.199.237.75) on: Tue Mar 13 23:24:06 EST 2001
  
  Karthik
  Excellent work! I'd like to add one more to your archives - KR's Ullasam again. The no. is "Veesum Kaatrukku", a beautifully crafted song no doubt, but I believe it draws heavy inspiration from the title track of either 'Pocahontas' or 'Lion KIng'. Can't remember which, last heard a few years ago. Maybe your expert sleuthing will unearth the right source.
  Thanx
  
  
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.222.2) on: Wed Mar 14 01:08:50 EST 2001
  
  Karthik:
  
  Atlast it seems like the thread is living upto its name :-) good work. Please go ahead and expose more.
  
  
• From: Karthik S (@ 164.164.82.22) on: Wed Mar 14 01:22:05 EST 2001
  
  suresh:
  
  that has already been 'unearthed'!! Check out the copied songs page! The song is from Pocahontas, colours of the wind, by Vanessa Williams...
  
  http://newtfmpage.com/cgi-bin/stream.pl?url=http://dhool.com/rr/copied/pocohontas.rm
  
  But again, the second interlude in that song had a very specific (direct lift) inspiration from a WC composition, which I had downloaded sometime back but seem to have lost now! Lemme search for it!
  
  --Karthik
  
  
• From: sabesan (@ 64.169.160.84) on: Wed Mar 14 01:31:24 EST 2001
  
  Karthik - i don't see any resemblence between both the songs.....
  
  
• From: Karthik S (@ 164.164.82.22) on: Wed Mar 14 02:21:40 EST 2001
  
  Sabesan:
  
  same here...but i just pointed out that it has been posted in the page...i'm searching desperately for the WC composition that has the exact piece of secind interlude of veesum kaatrukku....
  
  --karthik
  
  
• From: Karthik S (@ 164.164.82.22) on: Wed Mar 14 02:53:21 EST 2001
  
  Here are some more older ones...with song files to verify...all of them are on A R Rahman. I'm of course a huge fan of ARR but my interest in music plagiarism overrides all others!
  
  Hello mr.ethirkatchi (iruvar)
  Orig: Memphis Stomp
  Composer: Dave Grusin
  From the OST of The Firm
  Note: the piano part is copied!
  Link: http://hammer.prohosting.com/~cyberkar/memphisstomp.rm
  
  akkadannu naanga (Indian)
  Orig: Love of common people
  Artist: Paul Young
  Album: No Parlez
  Note: Opening beats copied
  Link: http://hammer.prohosting.com/~cyberkar/loveofcommonpeople.rm
  
  anbey anbey (jeans)
  Orig: Of these, hope
  Artist: Peter Gabriel
  Album: Music for the last temptation of christ
  Note: Opening loop copied!
  Link: http://hammer.prohosting.com/~cyberkar/ofthesehope.rm
  
  shakalaka baby (mudhalvan)
  Orig: Aint talking 'bout dub (By Apollo 440) and Flight IC 408 (By State of Bengal)
  Note: the beats copied/inspired
  Links:
  http://hammer.prohosting.com/~cyberkar/Aint_talkin_about_dub.rm
  http://hammer.prohosting.com/~cyberkar/Flight_IC_408_State_of_Bengal.rm
  
  And of course the famous one...thillana thillana (Muthu)
  Orig: Night Bird (Deep Forest)
  Note: opening humming lifted!
  Link: http://hammer.prohosting.com/~cyberkar/NightBird_DeepForest.rm
  
  --Karthik
  
  
• From: Kripa (@ 210.214.135.196) on: Wed Mar 14 04:21:52 EST 2001
  
  There is no cent percent similarity as claimed by Karthik. Such situations do occur with usage of similar instruments. It is inevitable. You cannot call this as copying, since the same software is prevalent in most of the keyboards.
  
  You should call Dheena songs of YSR and Some songs of Deva which sound like ARR in his era as copying. Your mentioning is something like telling "Look he is using the same alphabets like others to speak english". Look at the literature and not at the alphabets.
  
  Whatever you may say ARR is ARR, a phenomenal and at the same time humble music director of tfm, who has reached internationally and beyond all these comparisons.
  
  
• From: Karthik S (@ 164.164.82.22) on: Wed Mar 14 04:45:26 EST 2001
  
  Kripa:
  
  I agree with you. These cannot be called 'copying'. Most are loops which could be used and reused...using beats from readymade CDs is a very common practice in the west while composing.
  
  Copying is what Deva did with 'Enemies'!
  
  I was just pointing out a few instances of inspiration. No offense meant. I was the webmaster of the arrmp3 and arrfans website in geocities, so I'm not anti-arr by any standards. But again, nobody is god when it comes to music, IR included (though he comes very close, considering his background before he came to music...what you'd ideally call a born genius..I prefer calling this 'possessed'!). Everybody has their own limitations and strong points.
  
  Even Deva can come up with absolute gems. If we just get that fanatic streak off us, there's so much we could explore and learn!
  
  --Karthik
  
  
• From: UVII (@ 63.76.3.20) on: Wed Mar 14 11:05:19 EST 2001
  
  Deva is the BEST when it comes to copying :-)), but he has got a good name in the film industry being humble(Now I know why he is humble....he can't afford to be arrogant. Mostly his hits are copied)
  
  Vaada Vaa - Appu is lifeted from early hindi film song "Ey Kaun Ayya"....
  
  
• From: Common Friend (@ 203.197.141.183) on: Wed Mar 14 12:14:40 EST 2001
  
  Karthik s and kripa :
  I feel happy to see that at last somebody has understood the diff. between coping and inspiration.
  
  Naan eththaa solli solli aluththu poyitten.
  
  Post some thing like this when ever a silly fight over copying arises.
  
  
• From: Sridhar Seetharaman (@ 12.89.141.26) on: Wed Mar 14 12:42:25 EST 2001
  
  Karthik,
  
  Second interlude of "Veesum Kaatrukku" is straight lift from Joseph Haydn's Concerto for Trumpet in D, Movement I.
  
  
  
• From: Naveen (@ 204.255.14.188) on: Wed Mar 14 13:05:36 EST 2001
  
  Sridhar,
  D or Eb Major?
  
  
• From: J Vijay (@ 24.9.154.2) on: Wed Mar 14 14:38:06 EST 2001
  
  The song "Itharku Paer thaan kaadhaala" from Pooveli is inspired from Tom's dinner by Susanna vega
  
  
• From: kiru (@ 192.138.149.4) on: Wed Mar 14 17:58:30 EST 2001
  
  Re: copying and ARR. ARR is the first to borrow rhythm arrangements from other songs. Earlier people were borrowing only tunes. For eg. thangath thAmarai magalE has the same arrangment as a Khaled song from Nsi Nsi. The term 'copy' does not apply in cases like this and so, many songs were left out in the Copied thread. Though this it is not TFM, I want to point out Zubeida as another example where the rhythm arrangement was borrowed from U2-Achtung Baby. This is one of the points which reduces the points ARR scores for originality.
  
  
• From: Sridhar Seetharaman (@ 12.78.144.162) on: Wed Mar 14 21:11:57 EST 2001
  
  You are right. Eb major.
  
  
• From: Karthik S (@ 164.164.82.22) on: Thu Mar 15 03:25:57 EST 2001
  
  Sridhar and Naveen:
  
  Thanks a ton. I was looking for this info all over. I had a midi file of that piece but have lost it now. It was a starting copy by KR!
  
  --Karthik
  
  
• From: Karthik S (@ 164.164.82.22) on: Thu Mar 15 03:27:25 EST 2001
  
  ooops I meant 'startling'...not 'starting'!
  
  --Karthik
  
  
• From: Karthik S (@ 164.164.82.22) on: Thu Mar 15 04:01:01 EST 2001
  
  Sridhar and Naveen:
  
  Need your help! I'm looking out for that piece by haydn and hasnt been able to do till now. I had stumbled on this page which has tons of midi files of Haydn but I really couldnt locate which one sounds like the one KR used! I'm a total duffer when it comes to WC...could you help me?
  
  The page is:
  http://www.stringquartets.org/HaSQ.htm
  
  Note: You could download the midis by using right click and 'save target as'. If they dont play try playing them thru windows media player or Quicktime. Winamp wont work with them.
  
  --Karthik
  
  
• From: eden (@ 210.214.5.247) on: Thu Mar 15 05:31:40 EST 2001
  
  The interludes of `vA vA anbE vA' (or something like that) from `rishi' (YSR) seem to be inspired from `ooo lalalla' of minsAra kanavu...
  
  

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