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Is Vairamuthu better than Kannadaasan?

Topic started by Prabhar (@ ppp45-216.lvsb.vsnl.net.in) on Thu Jul 2 09:40:00 EDT 1998.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

Yes......The greatest joke of the year!
Courtesy: Sivaji Ganesan
Reference: Kungumam weekly.
My opeinon: KD malai yentral VM madu....

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• From: ec (@ 141.14.139.162) on: Tue Jan 8 12:21:30 EST 2002
  
  'kannathil muthamittaal' is from the famous song 'sinnanjiru kiLiye kannamma' by Bharathiyar. I thought everyone from TN are aware of his songs?!
  
  
• From: rasigan (@ 204.154.71.125) on: Tue Jan 8 16:19:16 EST 2002
  
  yes only vairamuthu can give lots and lots of songs with manja kulichu, yerai potti, vanam , megam, neruppu.
  
  Some of vairamuthu's ever lasting lyrics include :
  "Haiyo Pathikichu",
  "april maadhathil', 'september madham',(is july madham vandhal also his ?)
  "shakalaka baby"
  "aathadi paavadai .. kulikidhu rossaa nathu.. thanni konjam oothu oothu " (oothu,sathu..such rich tamil)
  
  Even in his dreams Kannadasan cannot write such songs..
  
  
  
• From: rasigan (@ 204.154.71.125) on: Tue Jan 8 16:19:38 EST 2002
  
  yes only vairamuthu can give lots and lots of songs with manja kulichu, yerai potti, vanam , megam, neruppu.
  
  Some of vairamuthu's ever lasting lyrics include :
  "Haiyo Pathikichu",
  "april maadhathil', 'september madham',(is july madham vandhal also his ?)
  "shakalaka baby"
  "aathadi paavadai .. kulikidhu rossaa nathu.. thanni konjam oothu oothu " (oothu,sathu..such rich tamil)
  
  Even in his dreams Kannadasan cannot write such songs..
  
  
  
• From: rasigan (@ 204.154.71.102) on: Tue Jan 8 16:33:14 EST 2002
  
  Can Kannadasan write songs with only lailalailai, kolakalala...
  like this
  
  uppuk karuvaadu ooravechcha soaRu...
  ae uppuk karuvaadu ooravechcha soaRu oottivida nee poadhum enakku
  muththamittu neththiyila maarbukku maththiyila seththuvidath thoaNudhadi enakku
  ae uppuk karuvaadu ooravechcha soaRu oottivida nee poadhum enakku
  muththamittu neththiyila maarbukku maththiyila seththuvidath thoaNudhadi...
  
  oa odak kara maela oru oaNaan pidippoamaa
  kaakkaa kadi kadichchu siRu maangaa thimboamaa
  
  koalaakka koalaakka koalaakalaa koalaakka koalaakka koalaakalaa
  koalaakka koalaakka koalaakalaa koalakoalakoalakoala koalaakalaa
  koalaakka koalaakka koalaakalaa koalaakka koalaakka koalaakalaa
  koalaakka koalaakka koalaakalaa koalakoalakoalakoala koalaakalaa
  
  
• From: ash (@ 12.5.196.254) on: Tue Jan 8 18:30:23 EST 2002
  
  I want to add one to 'rasigan's list. This song is from the movie "achchamillai achchamillai" (K.Balachander movie). The song is
  "Aavaaram poovu
  Aarezhu naala"
  One of the stanzas has this great lyrics by the "kavipperarasu"
  "En Kiramathu kilye
  En Kizhiyatha Thavaniye"
  He wants to have "Ki" for "Ki".
  I guess only MM(Mayirumuthu) can write and still claim that he is a great poet after Kamban and Bharathi
  
  
• From: hunter (@ 61.11.74.10) on: Tue Jan 8 23:58:43 EST 2002
  
  writer sujatha says kannadasan is the best.
  
  http://www.ambalam.com/sujatha/2002/january/sujatha06_01.html
  
  
  
  
  
• From: rasigan (@ 204.154.71.125) on: Wed Jan 9 10:35:35 EST 2002
  
  Kannadasan's kadhali will be only in nenjam of the kadhalan, but vairamuthu's can be in the "Mouth"..
  
  En mel vizhunda mazhai thuliye..
  
  oliyaith thirandhaal isai irukkum - en
  uyiuraith thirandhaal neeyiruppaay
  vaanam thirandhaal mazhai irukkum - en
  vayadhaith thirandhaal neeyiruppaay
  
  Ha ha ha !!
  
  
• From: Vaalidaasan (@ 203.143.22.170) on: Wed Jan 9 11:13:39 EST 2002
  
  Take a look at some words used in RED in the songs like Ollikuchi,Dil Dil (starts with Thilothamaave Kattikaya,Rambaave Kattikaya, Menahaye Kattikaya enna mattum vechikaya). Kannadaasan won't write something like this even if he wrote while inhaling alcohol. True Vairamuthu has written some nice songs but Kannadaasan is far away from him.
  
  
• From: unmaivilambi (@ 63.75.49.120) on: Wed Jan 9 12:26:36 EST 2002
  
  Even KD wrote raja rani jakki vazhvil enna bakki
  
  
• From: Venkat (@ 24.190.108.92) on: Wed Jan 9 13:50:41 EST 2002
  
  Who can forget our Kavipperarasu's songs in the movie Jeans:
  
  50 kg taj mahal enekke enakka?
  fax il vanda penkavidai enekke enakka?
  
  aha aha.. pramadam ponga... Kandippa ivar kavipperarasu thaan!! :)
  
  
• From: rasigan (@ 204.154.71.125) on: Wed Jan 9 14:04:24 EST 2002
  
  kaviperarasu..
  
  azhukku kavidhai unakke unakka ??
  
  another song from 'taj mahal'..
  
  ammi arachcha...chakchak chumchum...chakchak chumchum...
  ammi arachcha arapattup poagaadha
  olakka pudichcha...jingjing chikchik...jingjing chikchik...
  
  For god sake please don't start such threads and demean an all time GREAT !! Namba senja punar janma punniyam to hear Kannadasan and pavam to hear Vairamuthu..
  
  
• From: sadagopan (@ 138.238.83.54) on: Wed Jan 9 14:37:00 EST 2002
  
  The comparison of variamuthu with kannadasan in itself is incomprehensible. Let us not take it further.
  
  
• From: Bharath (@ 156.153.255.243) on: Wed Jan 9 15:53:31 EST 2002
  
  I think u people are full off it. Meet any lyricist in TFM scene . He will vouch that VM is far far better than KD.
  
  Arivumathi who does not even like VM personally was first to accept that he is better than KD.
  
  Simply because KD lived in the past and now is dead.. One cannot make him the #1. Thats the problem with us people.. we make big deal out of very ordinary people like MGR, nehru etc... just because they are dead.. they have to 1st in everything...
  
  All the examples above are irritating to say the least.. as a sort of a kicking contest of VM. He is living in the 90's and 2000's. He needs to write like this to survive. So if adaptation with times is taken into accnt VM is much much better than KD. The topic is not in the lyricist hand. The amount of imagination he displays given the limitations of the topic is what counts..
  
  In all quantity Quality and time take VM is scores ahead of KD.
  
  I agree KD is great but I dont need to support him blindly just of the face value of thathuva padals KD has written...
  
  
• From: unmaivilambi (@ 63.75.49.120) on: Wed Jan 9 16:08:50 EST 2002
  
  The songs written have to judged by the times in which they were written. In today's age can anybody imagine listening to thathuva padalgal? VM has much more alround knowledge and imagination than KD which is reflected in his songs. He can write a vandhenda palkaran as well as porale ponnuthaye. For every sarakku vaichurukken there is a minnalai pidithu. Even VM has a kanavu kanum (Neengal kettavai) comparable to KD's ponal pogattum poda.
  
  
• From: rasigan (@ 204.154.71.125) on: Wed Jan 9 16:20:59 EST 2002
  
  Bharath,
  u have only mentioned what kind of kavi VM is ..if VM wants to SURVIVE at any cost by writing "TRASH" ,that shows what kind of kavignar he is..
  
  Kannadasan would have committed suicide instead of writing songs like this..
  
  A Kavi should maintain his self-esteem, after all.. VM is not so poor fighting for his daily bread to write uppu karuvadu,50 kg , jing jing..
  
  If he wants to make money badly at any cost let him do it.. in that case we shudn't be comparing .
  
  a true kavi cannot write all crap and say it is in tune with the times..
  
  Vairamuthu also abuses tamil language like hell in every song. Can u think of any one song with all PROPER tamil words he has written in the recent past ???
  
  VM can't even be compared to Vali. VM may be good in literary works, but his success in Tamil films is becuase of IR + ARR.
  
  In some interview he is damn happy for writing 'Kurukku sirithavale '..that shows his level..
  
  Death doesn't make KD any bigger or lesser . He is immortal , friend !
  
  
• From: rasigan (@ 204.154.71.125) on: Wed Jan 9 16:33:05 EST 2002
  
  VM's imagination is limited to 'minnal','megam', 'vanam', 'neruppu', 'vervai' illata everything will start 'Urasu'fying each other..
  
  There is no excuse saying 'who will listen to thathuva padal' today. The fact is VM Can't write lyrics anywhere close to where KD has written.
  
  Good meaningful songs are liked always and will stand over time.
  
  just because one talks like a 'Medhavi' doesn't make him one..
  
  
  
  
• From: Bharath (@ 156.153.255.243) on: Wed Jan 9 16:39:23 EST 2002
  
  it is TRASH to you but may not be trash to others.
  
  see I dont care about film songs being completely tamil. Because Its the MD's and movie directors choice. The lyricist has less options..
  
  The personal non-film kavithai that VM has written is simply wonderful. You are really missing out on some excellent works...
  
  I dont think a good competitor competes for money. Would you drop out of your job when you are 40 if time has changed the nature of yur job. Will you stop working because you've saved some money.
  
  If you are that inflexible and cannot close down the generation gap and change with time. I ams orry friend you dont belong in show biz..
  
  expecting some artificial tamil purity is film songs is impractical...
  
  //"but his success in Tamil films is becuase of IR + ARR. "//
  
  this maybe true but it in no way reduces his stature against KD.
  
  If anyone says bad songs became hit purely bcoz of KD then he/she is misrepresenting the past.
  
  The song needs to be good for people to even take note of the words...
  
  the range that VM has covered KD has not! In those days philosophical songs were the requirement. Nowadays you gotta be cool!
  
  how wud u feel if i say KD was philosophical and boring... like an old man giving advise..
  
  
  
• From: ash (@ 12.5.196.254) on: Wed Jan 9 16:43:26 EST 2002
  
  I think cinema lyrics do have a lot of restrictions like the story, music, mass audience, heros and heroines etc.. Still Kannadasan and people before him ("Pattukkottai, Thanjai Ramaiahdoss, Ku.Ma.Pa") did have some sense of social awareness/consciousness, which is totally absent these days. Well if those people could give good lyrics inspite of all the above limitations, whynot Vairamuthu and the others who are giving crap and justifying that what he is doing is right.
  
  
• From: rasigan (@ 204.154.71.125) on: Wed Jan 9 17:02:50 EST 2002
  
  Mr. Bharath,
  Please hear 'Vandha Naal Mudhal' , 'veedu varai uravu','Silar Siripar'.. there is practically no music,just by sheer lyrics the song stands..i can give 100 songs like that of KD , can u name a few of VM ?? Oru murai "veedu varai uravu" lyrics u just go thru and u will realise what KD is if u r unbiased.
  
  We are not saying VM is not a good poet . He need not make a living by writing cheap poems.
  
  I will give u a simple example, though not in show biz. Gavaskar the class batsmen he is will not hit some "CRAPPY" shots to make a few runs..
  
  /*If anyone says bad songs became hit purely bcoz of KD then he/she is misrepresenting the past. */ ..no one said this, but KD had the capability to make any music(or no music) good with his lyrics.
  
  If KD studying upto 8th Std had so much of social consciousness/ went to jail why can't an affluent Ph.D stop writing 'jing chak,karuvadu'..
  
  

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