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What is the reason for Karthik Raja's failure and YSR's success ?

Topic started by Chochan (@ 61.11.85.140) on Fri Feb 14 03:58:37 EST 2003.
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Karthik Raja entered in to film world some expectation when ARR has entered with Roja. Karthik composed two Rajini songs Pandianin Rajyathil and Oru Mina Mina (Ulzhaipali Rajini moive).

He gave hits like Ullasam, but most of the songs were copies songs (i forgot the site name that was mentioned in Antha Vikatan magazine). He got chance for one Kamal Hassan film also.

But YSR from the begining enjoying success (not like ARR). But able to maintain his status in the Music Industy. Respectable Audio sales.

What do you think ?

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• From: kum (@ 202.56.193.78) on: Fri May 16 13:11:59 EDT 2003
  
  http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/fr/stories/2003051601130200.htm
  
  
  KR re-recording is appreciated while YSR songs are not...
  
  
• From: hehuha (@ 219.65.139.165) on: Sun May 18 04:55:47 EDT 2003
  
  neone knowing KR's email id?
  
  
• From: Mumbai Ramki (@ 203.123.140.162) on: Sun May 18 12:42:37 EDT 2003
  
  Kr has a done avery good job in Geethai .In teh scene where vijay steals the money from Kalabhavan ,the music is absolutely hollywood style !!!!
  
  No wonder for the guy who has composed 7 reels of background music in Siraichalai ,trailors of siraichalai ,Mardhunayagam,HEYRAM
  
  
• From: Raagam (@ 131.151.101.81) on: Sun May 18 23:55:17 EDT 2003
  
  Mumbai Ramki,
  Did KR do the BGM(7 reels) for Siraichaalai????.That is a news to me.I always thought that IR never allowed anyone else do the BGM of his movies.
  
  Thanx for the info.
  Raagam
  
  
• From: Mumbai Ramki (@ 203.197.24.195) on: Mon May 19 00:52:15 EDT 2003
  
  Hi Raagam ,
  KR indeed did the BGM ,IR himself told that in an interview and it appeared in HINDU .It appeared loong ago ,of course .
  
  Not many people would have heard the trailor music of HEYRAM ,iam not referring to the score which came in TV ads ,but it came along with some CD ( i do not remember that )
  
  
• From: Senthil (@ 213.122.135.71) on: Sun May 25 13:57:07 EDT 2003
  
  KR has a different style of music like his father IR.He will defenitely be in top one day.He has to get a real break to prove his talent like actor vikram who had a great break in the movie Sethu...the same way KR will get a break and will be on top...I bet on this...
  
  
• From: Raj (@ ) on: Thu May 6 11:57:58 EDT 2004
  
  It's hard to compare between KR and YSR. It's as bad as comparing Illayaraja with ARR. They both are very different right from the tunes thru the composition.
  
  It's quite obvious that KR has been given good chances to perform by illayaraja. We can even trace the presence of KR in "Rajakumaran" and "Devathai". The song 'Aadi varatum mayiala kaazhai' and "Sithagathi pookale' was real impressive. U can feel the touch of KR in that and we can even assure that's it's not purely Illayaraja's. Anyhow it has the base from Symphony's and the use of clarinet and horns were real impressive.
  
  Also KR has given good musical hits like Ullasam, ALBUM, Naam iruvar namaku Iruvar, Kadhala Kadhala, DDD etc. Also "Grahan (hindi)" has a real good music score. Also he has done a part of BGM in "Kalapani (i.e sirachalai in tamil)" and "Heyram". I've never heard any music from "Marudanayagam".
  
  The fact is that Cine field in India is very much sentimental and KR needs a real good break to shine high.
  
  YSR is good and lucky. It's not that YSR is bad. He too is a good music director. But when compared against KR, KR does better than YSR.
  
  KR is great at orchestration as his father. When we think of orchestration, it's KV.Mahadevan, Illayaraja, Vidyasagar (he does better but not the best) and Karthik raja that comes to my mind.
  
  And it's proud to have the best music director in tamilnadu as andhra and kerala has singers.
  
  
• From: Rahim (@ 217.44.99.209) on: Thu May 6 14:42:56 EDT 2004
  
  Raj like you said that it is hard to compare YSR with KR. It is your opinion that KR is better than YSR. But mostly people think that YSR is better than KR and that is the reason for his good fortune in music.
  
  Gudhafis
  
  
• From: Dorai (@ 198.16.9.11) on: Thu May 6 15:07:41 EDT 2004
  
  Raj,
  Vidhya Sagar is better at orchestration -- That's not true. He lacks any originality and blatantly copies IR, ARR and even YSR and calls it inspiration. He does not have any clarity in his compostions (except a few like Malare, Nee Kartru)
  
  
• From: Music thinker (@ 212.211.136.33) on: Thu May 6 15:39:40 EDT 2004
  
  I don't think VS copies YSR, may be IR and ARR.
  Come on nobody would copy YSR, its 4 years since Povellam Ketupar. The guy hasn't done any justice to his dad's reputation.
  
  
• From: Raj (@ 12.220.21.227) on: Thu May 6 16:11:59 EDT 2004
  
  That's true guys, Illayaraja is umcomparable. We cannot even compare the kind of orchestration with any other music director in India. Likewise i've never appreciated any background other than illayaraja's.
  
  I'm not even claiming Vidyasagar is good and he doesn't ever copy. But the way Vidyasagar does the orchestration is better than the other recent music directors.
  
  Everybody copies music, including illayaraja. But to what percentage is really matters. Even illayaraja is inspired by Beethovan's symphony's, but illayaraja expresses in such a way that we don't realize that it's been copied, he gives a different shape to that, with a different set of instruments. Also u can feel a few songs of illayaraja copied from Boney-M.
  
  Even ARR is bad in BGM, in the sence he doesn't use the proper instruments at the proper background score. For example u can hear some odd Druming during a pathos in "Kizhaku Seemayile", "Karuthamma" etc.
  
  Ultimately everybody is inspired and copies music, but it's experience and creativity that make's them great as illayaraja. He's definetely uncomparable and the best.
  
  
• From: Raj (@ 12.220.21.227) on: Thu May 6 16:29:40 EDT 2004
  
  Rahim
  
  Fortune is something different from quality music. Quality has lost it's value long back. Hit songs before 2 years were some silly gana's with no meaning contributed to the music industry by Deva & brothers, and now it's mostly the fast western music that's ruling the music industry. But for how long the music remains same in our mind determines the original value of the music and quality.
  
  YSR is doing great and even i hear him lots, but for how long.
  
  I still can cherish "Ullasam" and "Grahan" even after 7-8 years after they have been released.
  And we still cherish illayaraja's music in mid 70's and 80's.
  
  But what happened to other's. How long did their music stay.
  
  Haven't heard good music from ARR after "TAAL", but still he's in the limelight, earning crores and contributing some kind of music to the industry. Can we dare to compare 30-40 movies of illayaraja against 3-4 movies of ARR every year. But still ARR is highly paid and remains great. That's about our indian music industry.
  
  So fortune brings a person into limelight, but that doesn't mean he stays there for ever. It's the trend that makes YSR good and ARR great. Let's wait and see what time replies.
  
  
• From: t (@ 210.214.228.129) on: Thu May 6 16:39:20 EDT 2004
  
  #Haven't heard good music from ARR after "TAAL", but still he's in the limelight, earning crores and contributing some kind of music to the industry. Can we dare to compare 30-40 movies of illayaraja against 3-4 movies of ARR every year. But still ARR is highly paid and remains great. That's about our indian music industry. #
  
  IR's 30 movies contained music that was similar most of the times, he still recyles his old songs like vanathapola from chinna thambi to unkuthama.
  IR is a living proof that quantity alone will not help.
  IR's great numbers got diluted in the quantity he did.
  dont trust me, listen to Anjali vegam vegam and baba ba ri from Aburva sagotharalkal, the interludes are just the same.
  Can point countless examples like this.
  
  No good music from ARR after Taal.
  This has to be a big joke. Be in your own dream land.
  
  
• From: Raj (@ 12.220.21.227) on: Thu May 6 17:29:28 EDT 2004
  
  I really did not hear any good music from ARR after TAAL or LAGAAN. Even YSR and Harris Jeyaraj are doing very better than ARR. It's also funny to hear that ARR never repeats music. Compare the stringing of Guitar and the tune from Bombay's "Uyire Uyire" and Karuthamma's "Porale Ponnuthaye".
  
  Let's assume how creative ARR would be when he crosses the record of Illayaraja's 840 films. (of course that's never gonna happen). On a 4 films average ARR makes every year, it will take 200 years for ARR to make 840 films.
  
  It's obvious that some songs repeat coz illayaraja has contributed more than 7000 songs to the cine industry and private albums. But what happened to ARR, did he loose his creativity in less than 500 songs. Why does he repeat songs then????
  
  Better not to compare Illayaraja against ARR. If we start comparing, illayaraja's statistics, illayaraja's contribution to music and illayaraja's 30 years of music industry experience, will speak his fame.
  
  
• From: piratheepan (@ 67.66.200.49) on: Thu May 6 17:33:02 EDT 2004
  
  Raj,
  IR in his 30 yrs had no competition so he can spit out as many as he wanted however he wanted and ppl would lap it up like dogs...kinda like u did.whoop dee doo 840 songs but how many were realli good.quality pa not quantity.and if u look for how many quality songs from IR the number will prolli collapse in at least half.with more then 80% of even that half being repetitive.
  
  
• From: ganspb (@ 170.220.2.13) on: Thu May 6 18:15:59 EDT 2004
  
  When IR came to the music field how many were here as established,talented good Music Directors.
  1.MSV
  2.KVM
  3.V.Kumar
  4.Vijayabhaskar
  and there were other like Shankar Ganesh who were giving hits.
  There are lot of other people like Salilda who were also giving some hits.In the next 5years from 1975 to 1980 there were nobody except IR.
  For the next decade he was the real king as he was able to produce good music in less time.It can happen only once and it happened in the form of IR.There was no MD in IFM who did this ever.
  If his music was repetetive there may not be a thread here to talk about it or another thread to colect his songs and BGMs.
  Just go and get a simple statistics on how many SOTDs are so far.The majority of it will be IRs.
  
  
• From: sathyamoorthy (@ 195.229.241.181) on: Thu May 6 19:17:14 EDT 2004
  
  Ellam namma ketta neram thaan..
  Songs of YSR sucks now a days..
  Like Ethiri, Perazhagan...
  
  

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