Topic started by avvaiyar (@ 203.116.61.132) on Wed Jan 27 02:29:28 EST 1999.
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I'm a new visitor to this website. I couldn't see anyone discussing about Vani Jayaram's songs.
Let me start this one.(It had been there previously pls. forgive me!)
"Ezhu swarangalukkul ethanai paadal..
Ithaya surangathul ethanai kelvi...
Vaazhum manitharukkul ethanai salanam.."
Wow! Beautiful voice!
VaniJairam.com - A site that has lots of info and songs of VJ.
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- From: A fan (@ 164.164.166.11)
on: Sun Apr 4 13:06:02 EDT 2004
like rocky am also fan of saravnan. good writing. very infoirmative. first, i thot he is ladies writing with gent name becauss there is a penmaiyin ilakanam in his way style. is it not breesy? thanks for your many infomation.
- From: Saravanan (@ 213.42.2.24)
on: Mon Apr 5 00:06:04 EDT 2004
Naaz/ OISG/ Neel, thanks for your detailed analysis/ appreciation.
I'll be grateful if anyone can add more songs to the 1978 list, so that the 1978 part of the chronology would be complete.
- From: OISG (@ 195.229.241.170)
on: Mon Apr 5 05:37:01 EDT 2004
Saravanan,
Hearing for the first time "AaN nadai" "peN nadai" in writing style.Sure,this would confuse the fans of Puthumaipithan & Thi.Ja AND Anuthama RamaNi chandran!
ungaLai "A fan" gay..gay..gayli panRar! (I stammer while writing!!)
- From: Naaz (@ 24.87.30.219)
on: Mon Apr 5 10:26:19 EDT 2004
Saravanan -
As Neel says, the folk songs last week were fine selections. On listening to Kannukku Nee Oru after reading your and Neel's comments, the "inner" song came to life. I think the emotions are on a simmer - caught between incredulity and despair, and the song traces this fine balance through the singers.
Kannalam Kaataame is a sign of VJs casual precision - how adeptly her delivery and dialect "morphs" into character - indeed!
Naane Vaettai Aada Vandhaen reminded me of Naadinaen Nambinaen. Fast-paced and cinematic through and through.
---
A fan's typos seem deliberate - or is it just me?
- From: RR (@ 203.199.213.4)
on: Mon Apr 5 23:26:39 EDT 2004
Saravanan: Recently Suryan FM featured songs by PJ.
Among them were some enchanting duets with VJ, incidentally all of them were composed by MSV. Among them, such gems as "Swara raga" (Anda 7 Naatkal), Aadi Velli (Moonru Mudicchu). There was one song " naan Raamanai pol oru Avataaram".
It had MSV's stamp all over it. But which movie is this? Another VJ song I could not place Was
"Thumbai poo Mugathil" (SG?).
.
RR
- From: Saravanan (@ 213.42.2.24)
on: Tue Apr 6 00:25:30 EDT 2004
Naaz :)
Ada narayana, innuma andha report ezhuthiya thamizhan yaarunnu theriyala?
OISG, you forgot to add Kothamangalam Subbu to your list ;)
RR, 'Naan Ramanaippoloru avathaaram' is from Aasaikku Vayasillai.
'Thumbaippoo mugathil' is from Veli Thaandiya Vellaadu. Music, yes by S-G.
- From: fan (@ 164.164.166.11)
on: Tue Apr 6 00:37:55 EDT 2004
avanga writing pudikumnu solla poyi, ippdi asingama pesaringale. so i will not wriye any more thing. but iwant to post one aboorva raga kavithai
oru puram parthal midilayin raman
maru puram parthal kaviri kovalan
mukam mattum parthal oli vidum sooriyan
muluvadum parhal avan oru sarvanan
avar oru saravanan (moonu murai padanum)
saravanan, neenga next time nama madras varum podu sandikaren
- From: Naaz (@ 24.87.30.219)
on: Tue Apr 6 09:29:51 EDT 2004
Saravanan -
Yaaru Tamizhan, Endha Tamizh...Indha Kaelvigalukkellaam Yaaru Kitta Badhil Irukku? :-)
But - I so get your drift :-)) (Thuppariyum Saravanan-nnu peyar thaan baaki! :-))
I was listening to a VJ-SPB duet yesterday - a real old one - from Soundaryamae Varuga Varuga. It has an interesting "pronunciation" moment right at the very opening:
Aagaayam (Dha)ane Azhagana Koorai...
SPB says "Thaane" and VJ says "Dhaane" -
The Tha / Dha shift is telling: Thaane is "self" referential (as in, Thaane Thankkul Rasikindraal) Dhaane is singular (as in, Only) and a reference to the Sky. Am I right in making (hearing) this distinction?
- From: Saravanan (@ 213.42.2.24)
on: Wed Apr 7 00:24:26 EDT 2004
Naaz- I knew you'll catch on ;)
And yes, I did listen to 'Aagaayam thaane'- trust you to observe such minute details- it is as you say :)
Wonder if this distiction was a conscious decision?
- From: Naaz (@ 24.87.30.219)
on: Wed Apr 7 11:25:39 EDT 2004
Saravanan -
All I can say is that my listening abilities have significantly improved over the past few years. I did not pay too much attention to diction and pronunciation in film music in my early years as a critic. Now, as a "certified" (via degree/s) "cultural" critic, I am turning my attention more and more to the literary and formal aspects of film lyrics and singing. It does enhance my listening pleasure, and the rewards of rediscovering what was previously overlooked is both immense and immeasurable.
A different kind of detective am I :-))
- From: Naaz (@ 24.87.30.219)
on: Wed Apr 7 11:28:37 EDT 2004
and btw, where's Vengayam these days? Leave-aa? Virakkthi-aa?
Come back, old chum! :-)
- From: realistic (@ 24.203.61.204)
on: Wed Apr 7 18:50:04 EDT 2004
I am sorry to be realistic and many of you might get offended since I can see you guys are devoted fans of Vani Jayaram, but this is the reality and the entire tamil cinema and tamil music will agree with me.
This lady spoiled many good songs with her "keeech" and nasal voice. She have sung some good songs I have to agree but most of her songs (the voice)are very irritating. I think only 10 to 15% of the entire songs she have sung are good the rest are all crap.
- From: Kaumudi (@ 136.142.153.250)
on: Wed Apr 7 21:21:27 EDT 2004
There we go again...
realistic
"but this is the reality and the entire tamil cinema and tamil music will agree with me"
- Yeah, may be you should get the opinions of the entire telugu cinema, entire hindi cinema, entire malayalam cinema, entire kannada cinema etc....Don't bother giving unsolicited opinion in a public forum!
- From: realistic (@ 24.203.61.204)
on: Wed Apr 7 22:48:00 EDT 2004
COme on mr K, wake up, she was not famous in telugu or hindi or malayalam, yes she done justice to some songs I have to agree but in most of her songs her voice very nasal and annoying. In telugu Susila and Janaki was famous, in Malayalam, Janaki, susila and Mathuri was famous in Hindi I dont have to say about the 2 queens.
- From: vengayam (@ 203.197.203.98)
on: Wed Apr 7 23:39:49 EDT 2004
naaz,
a bit of both . My sis, b-i-l have come over here so I have been busy in this vegatha veyyil seeing F S , Taj, Agra Fort ,New Delhi and such like.
I am also reaping the harvest of my blunt ways in the office. Nothing serious but a constant irritant these days! ( Virakthi is too strong a word ;-))
Re your "certified ,cultural" critique I am more in the "Thengai Srinivasan of Thilu mulu" mould Karakarapriyavai thodayilla thatti kambodiya kalandhu vitta varuvathu Sripriya vaa,padmapriyavaa..."
Music should touch my ears , then heart and then brain.
of course tamizh suddhamaaga irrupin uthamam!
- From: realistic (@ 24.203.61.204)
on: Thu Apr 8 00:07:35 EDT 2004
oops typo
***** In telugu, Susila and Janaki were famous
***** In Malayalam Janaki, Susila and Mathuri were famous
sorry
- From: Neel D (@ 24.99.73.73)
on: Thu Apr 8 00:32:40 EDT 2004
Recently an egroup member posted this song at the group. "Hodeya Doora". Listen to it here if you haven't already.
http://www.musicindiaonline.com/music/l/YY00000015
- From: Naaz (@ 24.87.30.219)
on: Thu Apr 8 01:00:41 EDT 2004
Vengayam -
Just had to ask....and glad you are here, if only temporarily distracted. Haven't you booked a Golden Triangle tour? That's usually a must for tourists!
Kaumudi -
A friendly reminder (not that you need one): We all have the prerogative of selective engagement. Which means (and you know this by now about this portal) that we can all choose the people we engage with. You so get what I am saying? :-)
Neel D -
It was a thrill to discover this song at the egroup. I wish somebody could find VJs tamizh solo for L Vaidyanathan - "Aavaniyai Kondada Vandhaan, Aasaiyile Poo Choodi Nindraen..."
Yeah, Saravanan, that's a hint alright! :-)
- From: Nisha (@ 66.185.84.81)
on: Sat Apr 10 22:10:11 EDT 2004
They are showing this Vani Jayaram program on Sun Tv for the new years special programs their airing. Yep!
Woo hoo finally got a chance to post in this thread yup.Haha you know what's funny people? I read this thread like a few days ago and i was wondering who this singer was because i never heard much about her. Yep and then i was watching Sun Tv today and they show her though it was a little preview! Still she has an awesome voice and she doesn't seem like an old old lady at all either.
K tis all.
- From: Neel D (@ 24.99.73.73)
on: Sat Apr 10 23:20:49 EDT 2004
Nisha,
Thanks for the tip. When you have a moment you may want to visit www.vanijairam.com and read the monograph written by Naaz.
- From: Saravanan (@ 213.42.2.24)
on: Tue Apr 13 08:22:55 EDT 2004
Another year –another set of many memorable songs. And as is our wont, before getting down to brass tacks, let us, for a while, indulge in some thoughts on tfm in 1979, recollecting the landmark songs and their creators--
Ilayaraja continued his spell of success, and a spellbinding success it was- he composed music for 25 Tamil films this year, 4 more than his count in 1978. Of these 25, some were super hits, some did average business, some sank without much ado, one failed to turn up at the hustings. Yet Ilayaraja’s music was uniformly enchanting in each one of them.
Following the stupendous success of Ilamai Oonjaladugirathu the previous year, Sridhar and Ilayaraja joined forces once again in 1979, and the songs of Azhage Unnai Aaradhikkiren soared to dizzying heights in the popularity charts.
And Sridhar was not the only old-timer who shifted his loyalty to IR. Chinnappa Devar had passed away the previous year when Thaai Meedhu Sathiyam was being made. Though Thayillamal Naanillai which followed continued to have S-G’s music, R.Thyagarajan and C.Dhandayudhapani who took over the reigns of the venerable production house, shifted to Ilayaraja for their next venture- Annai Or Aalayam.
IR composed music for 5 films of Sivaji Ganesan in 1979- Kavarimaan, Nallathoru Kudumbam, Vetrikku Oruvan, Pattakkathi Bhairavan & Naan Vaazhavaippen. Sivakumar’s 100th film Rosapoo Ravikaikkaaari was a runaway hit, with IR’s songs therein becoming immensely popular.
Needless to say, the ‘renaissance’ filmmakers like Mahendran (Uthiripookal) and Bharathiraja (Pudhiya Vaarpugal, Niram Maaraatha Pookal) continued their triumphant teamwork with IR. In short, it was a great year for IR!
Let us now look at MSV’s works in 1979. 23 films came his way this year. He won the TN Government’s Award for Best Music Director in 1978-79. The Mellisai Mannar glittered in all his glory in KB’s musical ‘Ninaithaale Inikkum’. The film’s tag line was ‘Ithu oru innisai mazhai’, and innisai mazhai it sure was. It was a fantastic album by MSV, and it was powerful proof that his infinite capacities were undiminished in the least. His music for other films like Sivaji’s 200th milestone Thirisoolam, Noolveli, Kizhakkum Merkkum Sandhikkindrana, Suprapaadham, Orey vaanam Orey Bhoomi, Neela Malargal, Imayam and Thisai Maariya Paravaigal won both critical acclaim and mass approbation.
Shankar-Ganesh continued their prolific assembly-line products; with some brilliant exceptions as evidence of their seldom employed creative skills. Thayillamal Naanillai, Neeya, Maanthoppu Kiliye, Kannipparuvathile, Adukku Malli and Ennadi Meenakshi were among their better offerings this year.
KVM’s music for the mythological ‘Gnanakkuzhandhai’ was highly appreciated; and his songs for Eanippadigal (remade from the Telugu hit Seethamaalakshmi) stayed put in the popularity charts for a while. V.Kumar inconspicuously went about making mellifluous music for 3 films: Nadagame Ulagam, Alankari and Nangooram, the last mentioned being a memorable collaboration with the Sri Lankan Maestro Khemadasa. Vijayabhaskar composed music for 2 films, unfortunately for him; both Vizhippu and Neethiya Niyayama were not destined to ever see the inside of a projector room.
The remarkable Soolamangalam Rajalakshmi composed music for Appothey Sonneney Kaettiya. Kunnakkudi Vaidhyanathan created some scintillating semi-classical songs for Kandhar Alankaram, a film that he co-produced along with Gemini Ranganathan. Shyam continued to impress with his music in films like Devadhai, Panchakalyani, Nee Sirithaal Naan Sirippen and Naan Nandri Solven. Singer Tharapuram Sundararajan composed some good songs for Neechal Kulam. Jaya-Vijaya’s excellent work in Paappaathi went mostly unnoticed.
It was in this year that the multi-faceted Gangai Amaran made his debut as a Music Director. Though his first film Malargalile Aval Malligai proved to be a non-starter, Radio Ceylon ensured that its songs came alive on its airwaves. GA’s next film was Karai Kadantha Oruthi. Suvar Illatha Chithirangal and Oru Vidukathai Oru Thodarkathai were the other films that came out in GA’s music this year.
G.K.Venkatesh gave spellbinding music for Malligai Mohini. Salil Chowdhry’s album Azhiyaadha Kolangal has rightfully earned a place of pride in the annals of tfm. The revered V.Dakshinamoorthi (‘Swami’) composed some lilting songs for Oru Koyil Iru Deepangal. Veteran G.Devarajan bagged I.V.Sasi’s Alavudeenum Arputha Vilakkum. A.T.Ummer and K.J.Joy were the other composers from Kerala who ventured into tfm this year, scoring music for Anbin Alaigal and Yarukku Yaar Kaaval respectively. Rajan-Nagendra repeated their success story in Veetukku Veedu Vaasappadi, the remake of their Telugu hit Intinti Ramayanam.
- From: Saravanan (@ 213.42.2.24)
on: Tue Apr 13 08:25:38 EDT 2004
Continued:
That wraps up our cursory look at the various MDs and their works in 1979. Now let us focus on the female singers (apart from VJ, whose works we’ll presently take up one by one) and their songs in 1979:
We have to, of course, commence with S.Janaki, for her glorious innings continued uninterrupted this year too. Firmly established as IR’s prima donna, she sang so many wonderful songs for him this year- ‘Azhagiya kanne’ & ‘Naan paada varuvaai’ (Uthiripookkal), ‘Thaamthaa theemtha’ (Pagalil Oru Iravu), ‘En ragangal’ (Mudhal Iravu), ‘Ninaithaal inikkum’ (Kalyanaraman), ‘Chinna china paathi katti’ (Chakkalathi), ‘Engengo sellum en ennangal’ (Pattakkathi Bhairavan), ‘Vaan megangale’ (Pudhiya Vaarpugal), ‘Aagaaya gangai’ (Dharma Yuddham), ‘Kannmaniye kaadhal enbathu’ (Aarilirundhu Arubathuvarai), ‘Naan oru rani’ (Mugathil Mugam Paarkkalaam), ‘Kodi inbam meni engum’ (Nenjilaadum Poo Ondru), ‘Maalai near kaatre’ (Agal Vilakku)—a small sample from the precious IR-SJ kitty of 1979.
Her songs for other MDs were no less enthralling: ‘Engey unnai kandaal kooda’ & ‘Indha paadalai paadipaar’ (both Chithira Chevvanam), ‘Angatha naattil vaazhnthirundhaale’ (Neela Malargal), ‘Ninaithaale inikkum’ (Ninaithaale Inikkum), ‘Raja vaada singakkutti’ (Thisai Maariya Paravaigal), ‘Adhukku piragu thaan adhu’ (Velli Ratham), ‘Coimbathooru kozhunthu vethalai’ (Porter Ponnusami) were some of the songs that she got to sing for MSV this year. S-G happened to compose for a stupendous hit called Kannipparuvathile, and SJ was the only female singer in the album- ‘Aaavaram poomeni’, ‘Pattu vanna rosavaam’ and ‘Adi ammadi chinnapponnu’ were songs that hogged airtime all day long. ‘En raajaathi puthu rojaappoo’ (Panchabootham), ‘Oru kodi inbangal’ (Neeya), ‘Kaalaippozhuthu vidindhadhu’ (Rajarajeswari) and ‘Maanamaruthaiyile’ (Inikkum Ilamai) were her other popular works for S-G this year. Like IR, GA too gave SJ some memorable songs in his very first year as MD- ‘Poove malligai poove’ (Malargalile Aval Malligai), ‘Odathile thaneeru’ (Karai Kadantha Oruthi), ‘Nayagan avan oru puram’ & ‘Vidukathai ondru’ (both from Oru Vidukathai Oru Thodarkathai) and ‘Kaadhal vaibogamey’ ( Suvar Illatha Chithirangal). Shyam gave SJ a wonderful song this year: ‘Galeer galeer’ (Devadhai). Other MDs with whom SJ worked this year were V.Kumar (‘Aalayam nayagan’/ Nangooram), Salil Chowdhry (‘Kedacha unakku sugam’ / Azhiyatha Kolangal), GKV ( ‘Naan ketten’ & ‘Sringara sangeethame’ /Malligai Mohini), Tharapuram Sundararajan ( ‘Aadi padhinettu’ /Neechal Kulam), A.T.Ummer ( ‘Magane kelada’ / Anbin Alaigal), and Rajan- Nagendra (Aadal paadal kaadhal enbathu/ Veettukku Veedu Vasappadi). Kunnakkudi Vaidhyanathan entrusted her with the lovely ‘Senthoor nayagan thirukkolam’ (Kandhar Alankaram) and SJ did ample justice to that long song punctuated with intricate passages.
P.Suseela too got to sing some remarkable songs in 1979. Her songs for IR this year included some unforgettable ones like ‘Raja china raja’ (Poonthalir), ‘Aasai nenjin kanavugal’ (Mugathil Mugam Paarkalaam), ‘Sindhu nadhikkaraiyoram’ (Nallathoru Kudumbam), ‘Manjal nilavukku indru’ (Mudhal Iravu), ‘Thirutheril varum silaiyo’ (Naan Vaazhavaippen), ‘Thenna marathile thendral adikkuthu’ (Lakshmi) and ‘Nadhiyoram’ (Annai Or Aalayam). MSV continued to give her some good songs this year-a sample: ‘ Madurai Meenaatchi manikkarathil’ (Chellakkili), ‘Yaadhum oorey’ (Ninaithaale Inikkum), ‘Sorgathile naam adiyeduthom’ (Orey Vaanam Orey Bhoomi), ‘Aasaiyulla maapillaikku’ (Neethikku Mun Neeya Naana), ‘Kalaimagal alaimagal’ (Velliratham), ‘Maadham oru poo malarum’ (Neela Malargal) KVM gave her the brilliant ‘Osai kodutha nayagiye’ and the fervent ‘Thodudaya seviyan’’ (both Gnanakkuzhanthai) and ‘Poonthenil kalandhu’, ‘Yenunga maapillai’ & ‘Kannizhandha pillaikku’ in Eanippadigal. Her songs for S-G this year included ‘Vadivelan manasu vechaan’ (Thaayillamal Naanillai), ‘Unnai ethanai murai paarthaalum’ & ‘Naan kattil mele kanden’ (both Neeya) and ‘Enakkoru kadhai sollu kanne’ (Nenjukku Neethi). The other MDs whom she sang for this year were Salil Chowdhry (‘Poo vannam’/ Azhiyatha Kolangal), V.Kumar (‘ Saami Sathiyam’ / Nadame Ulagam & ‘Penngal pol’ /Nangooram), GA (‘Sindhu nadhiyoram’ & ‘Isaiyinile ragam’/ both Malargalile Aval Malligai), K.J.Joy (‘Sippiyin ulley’/ Yaarukku Yaar Kaaval), V.Dakshinamoorthi (Muthu muthu punnagaiye’/ Oru Koyil Iru Deepangal) and Rajan- Nagendra (Veetukku Veedu Vaasappadi)
L.R.Eswari struck gold with ‘Ananda thaandavamo’ and ‘Inimai niraindha ulagamirukku’ (Ninaithaale Inikkum). MSV gave her some more songs like ‘Yendiyamma vetkam enna’ (Porter Ponnusami), ‘Chittalu chittalu’ (Chithira Chevvanam), ‘Adra melathai raja’ (Thisai Maariya Paravaigal), ‘Seettattm podhum’ (Chellakkili) and ‘Kodikkatti parakkudhada’ (Kuppathu Raja). She sang her second song for IR this year- ‘One and two cha cha cha’ (Nallathoru Kudumbam). KVM made her sing ‘Kollimalai kaattukulle’ (Gnanakkuzhanthai). Ganesh (of S-G) sang a duet with her --‘Kaal odiya’ in Urangaatha Kanngal. V.Kumar too gave her a song this year- ‘Krishnayya Ramaiyya’ (Alankari)
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